We need a little December Copilot

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Well…. some of us want the present of Copilot and some of us would rather get that gift after the bugs get worked out.  Once again we have the Decem
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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AKB 2000003 has been updated for Group B Win7 and Win8.1 on Dec 12, 2023.

See #2611088 and #2611089 for information on Win7 and Win8.1 updates (Logged in Member access required).

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BTW, Server 2012 / R2 will never get any ESU Security Only updates
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-server-news-and-best/windows-server-end-of-support-key-dates/ba-p/3074148

i’m surprised they get IE11 update, since it’s superfluous with Monthly Rollup, and redundant on its own

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Hardened Windows user:

KB5033375 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems

No change to Copilot (Preview), No hiccups, no re-install of Edge.

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2861)

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

Computer Specs

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My NAS and laptop got the push overnight, and I updated the B side of my daily driver this morning.

No hiccups.  All four installations (two on unsupported hardware) are now running Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2861).

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

Computer Specs

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[Microfix]

Jumped in at the deep end on the x86 W10 test device as October and November CU’s encountered multiple attempts before final acceptance.
Prior to patching ran chkdsk, SFC and DISM health checked to be sure the OS wouldn’t belch!

Now on W10 22H2 Build 19045.3803 with no immediate issues SFC good, DISM healthy and Event viewer OK post patching December CU KB5033372

UPDATE: 2023/12/13
W11 23H2 Pro updated fine, no issues.
W10 22H2 Pro x64 both fine, nothing untoward to report.

If debian is good enough for NASA...

• This reply was modified 1 year, 2 months ago by Microfix. Reason: Other system reports

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It’s techno-obligatory times like this that I really miss having the ability to do under the hood customizations for DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, and Norton Desktop.

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ooohhh I do not miss Norton one bit.  Sorry you lost me there.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Well, two outta three ain’t bad!

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We used to use PCTools and then Norton bought them and orphaned it. Norton/Symantec put up a big red flag in my neighborhood at that time. And I saw this purchase competition and disappear them repeated with other tools. Not a fan of Norton/Symantec for sure.

Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

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I’ve also jumped in at the deep end as usual with PC1 in my signature (after making the usual Macrium Reflect backup beforehand).

Just had the monthly Cumulative Update to install, nothing else for me this month.

No problems so far, I’ll update PC2 tomorrow.

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deuxbits

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We need a little December Copilot.

Susan quoted “Well…. some of us want the present of Copilot and some of us would rather get that gift after the bugs get worked out.”

Don’t forget some of us would rather not get it, but are forced to have it.

Yes i know we can use group policy or reg key to disable it.

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Since there seemed to be no disasters I backed it up and ran WU.

KB4023057 update was small and quick.

KB5033375 cumulative was a pig and took a while. It did give me time to do wordle.

As @bbearren noted, Edge was not added and there seemed to be no change in the absence of Bing or Copilot.

No probs.

Makes me wonder if another one won’t appear in a week…

 

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Four critical bugs, 29 important. NO zero days (unlike Apple)

The Windows December 2023 security updates fix a 0-day vulnerability

..The update fixes one publicly disclosed 0-day vulnerability. Listed as CVE-2023-20588, it affects devices with AMD processors only…

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deuxbits

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I think that’s a mistake, as it relates to a security bulletin issued by AMD four months ago about a low severity issue.

The Zero Day Initiative lists it as Public (due to prior publication), but NOT exploited.

No sites other than ghacks.net seem to mention a Windows zero-day this month.

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One of my windows 10 computers did the cumulative update and it’s fine.  I used copilot in edge browser and it refused to work after a few questions.  The error message told me to move on.  Smart ass ai.  I guess it will be in beta for years.

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deuxbits

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I think we need more quick emojis/replies other than “Thanks” – because your post/response made me laugh.

Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

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GeeBeeDee

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KB5033375 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 Version 23H2 for x64-based Systems

Now running Windows 11 Pro Version 23H2 version 22621.2861

No problems observed.

 

--Joe

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A new, modern, and secure print experience from Windows

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Oh, Great! Printing has been a nightmare in the past. Now we meet the monster under the bed.

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Plot twist: the nightmare was planned 😛

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abbodi86 wrote:

Plot twist: the nightmare was planned

Plot twist: like fora obsolescence in favour of asking AI then?
nah..could it??

If debian is good enough for NASA...

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I like to read this forum thread on Wednesday so that I have an idea if anyone else is seeing issues before I start testing on our test machines. There seem to be less posts… What The Hey? Is everyone off in eggnog-land or otherwise enjoying seasonal festivities?

I guess it’s time to unleash the Kracken (aka WU) on a few test machines.

PS. Thank you to everyone who participates in this thread.

 

Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

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December – so far – is more quiet.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Windows 10 Pro 22H2.
Got just KB5033372. No .Net, no MSRT..
Update took 14min from start (WUmgr) to desktop.

No Copilot in sight (.reg patches installed) but a lot of Copilot .adml junk files.

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Windows 10 Pro, 22H2. Just KB5033372. No sign of Copilot, but then I’m in Europe, so I wasn’t expecting anything (yet). No sign of HP Smart either. Took a fair while to download, but only a few minutes to install

No obvious problems

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deuxbits

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Updated w/o error or problem as follows:

Win 11 Pro - Dell XPS 8920 (daily driver) i7-7700 08/2017 (non-W11 hardware),
             Dell XPS 8700 (canary test machine) i7-4770 07/2013 (non-W11 hardware),
             Dell Inspiron 14500 (Spouse laptop) i7-10510U 02/2020 (W11 Capable)

Win 10 Pro - Del1 Inspiron 137000 laptop circa 05/2015 i5-4200U,
             Dell XPS 8920 (daily driver) i7-7700 08/2017 - Reverted via image to W10.

All machines updated successfully and no problems or errors encountered.

Of course all machines Imaged before updating!

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

RG

PowerShell & VBA Rule!
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More Win10 Pro 22H2 x64 test results

Updated three older Win10 Pro x64 22H2 canary machine with KB5033372 –

No issues seen other than also missing  MSRT (Malicious Software Removal Tool) for December.

One more (4th) older Win10 Pro x64 22H2 canary machine (Dell Precision T3500) with KB5033372 seemed to get wrapped around a pole with multiple failed restarts when requested. However, eventually it seems to have worked once the Start->power button option ~”Apply Updates and Restart” was selected.

I’m about to try it on my two semi modern daily machines where I can test other possible impacts on our development environment. Fingers crossed.

Basic research is what I am doing when I don't know what I am doing - Werner Von Braun

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TechTango

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FYI

2 Windows 10 Home v22H2 systems (one x64 and another x86 system)
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After Macrium Reflect System Image backup were completed, resumed updates via Windows Update and installed the following:

-2023-12 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (x86)-based Systems (KB5033372)

For the x64 system, Windows Update installed the patch in no time.

For the x86 system, Windows Update hit an error 0x80070008. Tried twice on the “Retry” button but no results. Restarted the OS and hit “Check For Update” to finally complete the installation. Windows Update did not need to re-download the patch again in this 3rd try but went about the motion of install 0%-100% before prompting the restart.

New OS Build 19045.3803

1) Did not use the Registry Entry for disabling Copilot. Copilot did not appear in December.

2) A new “Get the latest updates as soon as they’re available” section with an ON/Off toggle appeared in Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update. A learn more link is also provided.

3) Passed both the DISM Restorehealth and SFC Checks before and after patching. Both Windows 10 Home systems are running stable since patching 2 days ago.

Just additional information – I find a bandwidth monitor a useful tool during patching. It helps in confirming whether Windows Update has actually finished downloading all the patches. The Windows Update screen as it is now will only display a 0% status jumping to 100% status in one go for each of the patches it is downloading.

HTH.

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ylm wrote:

2) A new “Get the latest updates as soon as they’re available” section with an ON/Off toggle appeared in Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update. A learn more link is also provided.

Yes, just noticed, I’ve got that too. It appeared set to “Off” (fortunately, as I don’t wish to be an unpaid MS testing skivvy)

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Just installed December CU in a test Win 10 22H2 VM.  The installation completed without issue and upon restarting the first thing I did was to fire up gpedit.msc to disable Windows Copilot.

The toggle in Windows Update to receive previews was also present on my test system but I happily noted that it was “off” and disabled.  I expect that is a result of following AW group policy guidance to avoid being offered previews.

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“The toggle in Windows Update to receive previews was also present on my test system but I happily noted that it was “off” and disabled. I expect that is a result of following AW group policy guidance to avoid being offered previews.”

Is this a change for the December update?   Link with info please.

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https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/m%d7%9f%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%9d%d7%93%d7%9d%d7%9b%d7%90-enable-optional-updates-for-windows-10-devices/

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The “Get the latest updates as soon as they’re available” with ON/OFF toggle is detailed in the November 30, 2023—KB5032278 (OS Build 19045.3758) Preview and would now be in the December 2023 CU.

New! If you use Home or Pro consumer devices or non-managed business devices, you can get some of the newest experiences as soon as they are ready. To do so, go to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update. Set the Get the latest updates as soon as they are available toggle to on. Note that this toggle is not turned on for devices that your IT department manages unless IT configures a new policy.

Observed from the Windows Update image uploaded it would appear that it is greyed out and not accessible to be toggled ON from the default OFF position.  Maybe this is intentional for a “managed” machine.

HTH.

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Does anyone know if this ‘Copilot’ thing will be pushed to Student Edition/Enterprise users? Student Edition is apparently a reduced Enterprise version. Back when Cortana was the fad, they didn’t have that on the Student/Enterprise versions. So I’m wondering if maybe they will not force Copilot on those editions either?

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Probably not:

Students typically don’t have access to Copilot in Windows, but faculty members may have access to Copilot with commercial data protection.

Welcome to Copilot in Windows

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I have installed KB5033372 without any issues.  After installation, I turned off Copilot via the GPE for now.

Desktop Asus TUF X299 Mark 1, CPU: Intel Core i7-7820X Skylake-X 8-Core 3.6 GHz, RAM: 32GB, GPU: Nvidia GTX 1050 Ti 4GB. Display: Four 27" 1080p screens 2 over 2 quad.

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Hi Susan:

Windows Update successfully installed the following December 2023 Patch Tuesday update on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop and I haven’t observed any negative effects so far.

• KB5033372: 2023-12 Cumulative Update for Win 10 Version 22H2 for x64 (OS Build 19045.3803)

As other Win 10 users have already reported, there were no .NET Framework or .NET (Core) Runtime updates delivered this month, and (surprisingly) no new KB890830 update for my Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) definitions. The download and installation of KB5033372 completed relatively quickly and as usual, there was an “extra” re-boot after I clicked the “Restart Now” button and the final installation / configuration reached “Working on updates – 30% Complete.

Per your 16-Dec-2023 topic Just a reminder – you don’t want this setting the new “Get the latest updates as soon as they’re ready” toggle in my Windows Update settings is turned OFF by default, and I assume it’s disabled / greyed out on my Win 10 Pro machine because I had already configured the Windows Update setting in my Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) to prevent the delivery of Week C/D Preview updates.

The Copilot for Windows button hasn’t appeared yet on the far right of my taskbar yet.  I checked my Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and the setting at Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Copilot that you showed in your KB article 9000002 Blocking Copilot in Windows 10 and 11 Professional sku is still missing as well.

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The “WindowsCopilot” .admx puts the Group Policy setting at User Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Copilot. That is an equivalent HKCU Registry setting.

To get the computer wide setting, you have to use the HKLM setting in the Registry script.

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Hi PKCano:

I assume I didn’t get Copilot this month on my Win 10 Pro v22H2 computer because it’s being rolled out gradually to Win 10 users.  I’m not sure, but for now I’m guessing I’ll eventually see the setting to turn off Copilot in my Local Group Policy Editor once it’s pushed out to my system.

From the MS support article How to get Copilot in Windows (in preview) on Windows 10:

Copilot in Windows (in preview) is available starting November 30, 2023, for Windows 10, version 22H2. This is to align with the November 2023 non-security preview update for devices that run the Home and Pro editions.  After you install that update, if you want to get Copilot in Windows as soon as possible on an eligible Windows 10 device, you can do that. Go to Settings > Update & Security > Windows Update. Turn on Get the latest updates as soon as they’re available. Then select Check for updates. This will be a phased release using controlled feature rollout (CFR) over the coming months.

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lmacri wrote:

I checked my Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) and the setting at Computer Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Copilot

What I was trying to explain:
The setting in GP is under User Configuration, not Computer Configuration.

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lmacri

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PKCano wrote:

The setting in GP is under User Configuration, not Computer Configuration.

Hi PKCano:

Thank you for the clarification.  Yes, I was able to find the Copilot setting in my Local Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc) at User Configuration | Administrative Templates | Windows Components | Windows Copilot. I’m not interested in pre-emptively disabling Copliot on my system before it actually arrives (I’d like to test it first before I decide if it needs to be disabled) so I’ve just left that GPE setting as “Not Configured” for now.

Am I correct that I should also expect to see a new ON / OFF toggle switch in my Windows settings at Settings | Personalization | Taskbar to enable / disable Copilot when it’s finally rolled out to my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop? This taskbar setting is described in Susan’s 9000001 Blocking Copilot in Windows 10 and 11 Home sku, but the opening statement below from Susan’s 9000002 Blocking Copilot in Windows 10 and 11 Professional sku suggests that I will also see this toggle switch since I’m a home consumer who uses Windows Update to patch my “unmanaged” Win 10 Pro machine.

“For computers with the Pro sku, the behavior is different based if machines are controlled by a patching tool or merely looking at Microsoft update for their patching.

Unmanaged computers will see the Copilot option earlier. You can use the same GUI or registry keys indicated in the Home sku post.”

If that’s correct then I’ll just use the ON/OFF toggle switch in my Windows settings to manage Copilot once it arrives and not worry about re-configuraing Copilot in my Local Group Policy Editor.
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I have no input on the Copilot “thing.” I have blocked it in both GP and the Registry. IMHO, I still have a functioning brain, even at my advanced age. 🙂 🙂

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lmacri wrote:

Am I correct that I should also expect to see a new ON / OFF toggle switch in my Windows settings at Settings | Personalization | Taskbar to enable / disable Copilot when it’s finally rolled out to my Win 10 Pro v22H2 laptop? This taskbar setting is described in Susan’s 9000001 Blocking Copilot in Windows 10 and 11 Home sku, but the opening statement below from Susan’s 9000002 Blocking Copilot in Windows 10 and 11 Professional sku suggests that I will also see this toggle switch since I’m a home consumer who uses Windows Update to patch my “unmanaged” Win 10 Pro machine.

“For computers with the Pro sku, the behavior is different based if machines are controlled by a patching tool or merely looking at Microsoft update for their patching.

Unmanaged computers will see the Copilot option earlier. You can use the same GUI or registry keys indicated in the Home sku post.”

If that’s correct then I’ll just use the ON/OFF toggle switch in my Windows settings to manage Copilot once it arrives and not worry about re-configuraing Copilot in my Local Group Policy Editor.

Yes.

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@lmacri –

Per PK’s description in the post right above yours, the default location for the Copilot entry in Group Policy isn’t in the location where you looked (Computer Configuration) but is instead in User Configuration|Administrative Templates|Windows Components|Windows Copilot. Try looking there to see if you find it, and if you do, please let us know.

For it to be in the Computer Configuration tree, you have to modify the “WindowsCopilot.admx” file located in your \Windows\PolicyDefinitions folder. This was pointed out by @n0ads a couple of weeks ago in another thread, I just don’t recall which one right now. Hold on a bit while I dig it up!  🙂

OOPS, looks like PK typed a response a little faster than I could!  😳😳

UPDATE: OK, I found @n0ads ‘ reply that has the editing instructions for the file. Here’s the link to the first mention of what has to be changed, and pay particular attention to the third and fourth paragraphs of the post. Also, the word “Both” MUST start with a capital B as shown in the post, but it doesn’t have to be in bold.

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/ms-defcon-3-a-slightly-bumpy-november/#post-2606244

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It took an unusually long time to download the December update on my machine with Win 10 Pro. I have a slow DSL connection. This led me to expect Copilot to appear when the update completed, since the news about patches was that there weren’t many this month. My machine has 32 GB of RAM and a video card with “Tensor Cores” that AI can use, so I am probably a prime candidate for beta tester. 🙁 So far there is no sign of it. I hope it remains easy to disable, whatever the future brings in development. But I do have the Student Edition license to fall back on if it becomes a problem.

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The updates are cumulative, so each month the size of the update increases.  When I went to the MS Update catalog to download the December Win 10 22H2 update (see my post below as to why I had to), the resulting .msu file had size 821,354,453.  That is one problem with cumulative updates.

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My experiences with the December 2023 patches -Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 22H2:

No MRT.exe patch this month, only KB5033372 – monthly update for Windows 10 22H2.  Downloaded, then installation failed Some update files are missing or have problems. We’ll try to download the update again later. Error code: (0x8007000d)”  I tried two more times, each with the same error code.  Then I went to the update catalog and downloaded windows10.0-kb5033372-x64_822cb06e298fd32637584b623f2cdaa3468f42a1.msu .  I tried installing twice, each with resulting error code 0x8024200b .  I ran “sfc /scannow”, and there were a number of .lnk files that could not be repaired; I have attached those lines from the cbs.log file.  There were 13 lines about “overlaps”; I have also attached that log excerpt.

What can I do to get this update installed?  Thanks.  I wish MS would have a web page that listed all of the hexadecimal error codes and what they mean; IBM for their mainframe operating systems had such a publication in 1967.

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I solved my problem by searching for and viewing a YouTube video on Windows Update tro9ubleshooting: Settings –> Update & Security –> Troubleshoot –> Additional –> Windows Update –> Run the troubleshooter

The troubleshooter said that it found and corrected problem(s); it gave me no details as to what it fixed. After that, I ran the .msu file, and the update installed; winver says Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.3803).

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It appears that Microsoft Copilot is currently unavailable to computers in the EU as well as other regions including Africa, Australia.

And it is unlikely to be rolled out within the European Union and other regions having stringent data privacy protections in the near future.

Thus, I am wondering if we can avoid receiving Copilot as part of the normal Windows 10 and 11 monthly update process by routing the updates via a VPN’s server based in the EU?

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Kathy Stevens wrote:

Thus, I am wondering if we can avoid receiving Copilot as part of the normal Windows 10 and 11 monthly update process by routing the updates via a VPN’s server based in the EU?

You can avoid Copilot update, remove Edge… via ‘Europe Mode‘.

Regarding using VPN, It won’t help as your PCs region,… is set in Windows OS.

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Heads up! Some are saying after applying MSEdgeRedirect, Settings won’t open, etc. ?? Caveat emptor!

https://www.ghacks.net/2023/12/22/msedgeredirects-europe-mode-sets-your-windows-region-to-europe/#comments

https://github.com/rcmaehl/MSEdgeRedirect/issues/367

https://github.com/rcmaehl/MSEdgeRedirect/issues

 

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Alex5723 wrote:

Kathy Stevens wrote:

Thus, I am wondering if we can avoid receiving Copilot as part of the normal Windows 10 and 11 monthly update process by routing the updates via a VPN’s server based in the EU?

You can avoid Copilot update, remove Edge… via ‘Europe Mode‘.

Regarding using VPN, It won’t help as your PCs region,… is set in Windows OS.

I’ve got my laptop’s Region set to… the place in Europe where I live. But surely Windows doesn’t just use that setting to determine that I’m in Europe, and therefore whether or not I get Copilot?

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NaNoNyMouse wrote:

I’ve got my laptop’s Region set to… the place in Europe where I live. But surely Windows doesn’t just use that setting to determine that I’m in Europe, and therefore whether or not I get Copilot?

I’ll answer my own question shall I? Or rather I’ll get the nice man HERE to answer it for me

It seemed to me that if you could just fox MS into believing that you were in Europe, you maybe wouldn’t get Copilot pushed down your throat, for the moment anyway

No such luck, of course, even if you don’t explicitly give them permission to access your location, they still know where you are (and what you’re doing, and who you’re doing it with)

Anyways, I AM in Europe, so… I’ll just leave all the settings as they are, and not worry about it any further

OK. Carry on

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I am sitting at a workstation running Windows 10:

• Version – 22H2,
• Installed on – 2/7/2023,
• Last updated – 12/‎27/‎2023
• OS build – 19045.3803, and
• Experience – Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.19053.1000.0.

I had not noticed the presence of Copilot on the computer prior to seeing it when I opened Group Policy (GP). But there it was.

I disabled it using GP and over the next couple of days will do the same on the other PCs in our fleet.

As a footnote, we had already uninstalled Edge and Chrome from all of our systems using Revo Uninstaller.

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