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A long time ago when the Lounge was new, our wish list included having the Lounge posts with Reply, Thanks and Quote buttons in the header row of each[See the full post at: Minor Lounge Button Tweaks]
UPDATE:
The feedback received has been firmly on the idea that the header buttons should be in the footer, and vice versa. So we’re going to give this a try – Reply, Thanks and Quote in the Footer, with Report in the Header.
Keep that feedback coming, please!
Nearly reported a post I wanted to thank! Good job I read before clicking. 
cheers, Paul
I guess that might happen a bit while the change beds in… 
With all due respect, I’m for keeping the “Thanks” button below the message. Placed between Reply and Quote is a mismatch imo. But, no big deal.
@CBA something like this layout?
use your imagination
I’d agree that if the post warrants a QUOTE, REPLY or THANKS, it’s logical that these are placed on the footer after reading the entire post. As is, REPORT next to the post number in question is also logical.
My preference would be to keep “Edit”, “Reply”, “Quote” and the “Post #” on top and to keep “Thanks” and “Report” on bottom.
In other words, post-message manipulators on top and special actions on bottom.
It took a while to find these buttons as they are nothing but text to the eye ball.
1, Now all we need is a “READ ALL” button.
2, When going to a thread with a new post, one has to scroll to the new one. Some threads are several pages long!
DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living
For me, it makes more sense to have all these “actions” under the message because you can only reply, thank, quote or report a post after you’ve finished reading it. Anyway, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout.
As a suggestion, could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance if an action applies to the previous or the following message.
César
could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance
The contrast on the header and footer rows has been an issue from day one, especially for those with sight problems. Changing it is on the same list as the button changes, but sadly, we currently have to wait for a theme revamp. Changes cost money, so are done on a needs-must basis.
Changes are going on in the wings, but there’s no telling if or how soon this might happen. It is our fervent wish to get the color of the header text and background more visible
especially for those with sight problems
(Count me in…)
Thanks for the clarification. Anyway, as I said before, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout. Thanks for all the effort, hard work… and money invested at AskWoody.com.
César
I’m finding it helpful to be able to hit Quote without having to scroll down
(Ok, small screen issue, but I still appreciate that part)
That could depend on the length of the post, certainly, and the device it was being viewed upon
I see that an “online’ vs “offline’ indicator was tried for a while, I have no opinion regarding that but it might be useful for some.
I would REALLY like to be able to highlight a quote and hit the reply BY the quote to get that quote and index in the reply box. I realize that the software in use is very limiting but it would be nice.
I would also like the function ‘new posts since last visit’ to be useful more than once a day. Not to hammer a dead horse but I miss the unread posts option from Windows Secrets.
For me, it makes more sense to have all these “actions” under the message because you can only reply, thank, quote or report a post after you’ve finished reading it. Anyway, it’s just a matter of getting used to the new layout.
As a suggestion, could it be possible to make the separation between posts more noticeable? A darker horizontal line, for instance, could make it easier to realize at a glance if an action applies to the previous or the following message.
César
Completely agree. Reply, Quote, Thanks only make sense after reading the post. And delineation is often not given the prominence it needs.
Reply, Quote, Thanks only make sense after reading the post.
Not disagreeing with your contention, but thinking it through, it doesn’t make sense that you would do any of those things before reading the post…
Does it not make sense to read something before reporting it too?
Does it not make sense to read something before reporting it too?
You have to read the post to Report it, yes, that’s correct. But the reason to put Report on a separate group of links (or buttons) is, in my opinion, to avoid clicking on it by mistake when you just want to Thank or Reply.
César
Which gets us back to exactly where we started this exercise!
That’s why we separated the Report to the footer, leaving the other options in the header…
“Well, we now have the tools to make those wanted changes, which have just been activated.”
Kirsty, does it mean that now you can fix things like “the trigger happy spam filter” and similar big nuisances, were these to occur? Because, if as a result of now having those tools, you and some others here can do things like that, then the sentence quoted above would not be just good news, which it is, but also more than that: truly great news.
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Kirsty, does it mean that now you can fix things like “the trigger happy spam filter” and similar big nuisances, were these to occur?
The tools to change the header and footer row settings are in no way connected with the spam filter, or “big nuisances” that may occur from time to time. Sorry to disappoint!
I just got annoyed again by having to scroll up to thank!
This definitely belongs at the bottom of the post.
Or are you trying to discourage ‘thanking’ ??
instructions on how to “Unreport”
Just click Cancel on the box that appears
We’ll be trialling some more changes shortly following feedback given, so watch this space (no, not just seeing if you’re all paying attention!). We’ll see if that’s any better?
I just “Reported” and then tried tried to “Unreport” Charlie, purely as an experiment, but “in the box that appears” I see no “Cancel” button:
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What does this button say on yours???
Oh, I thought the “box” was that big thing for writing the report on Charlie’s transgressions that “then appeared” (not my words) right below Charlie’s comment when clicking on ‘REPORT’. So, most logically, I was looking for “Cancel” somewhere down there! Thus I missed the thing on top. Never mind that. What now matters is that we all have learned a useful lesson today and Charlie has got the answer he so anxiously had asked for!
So Charlie wins, I win, we all win! Yay!
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
Thank you Kirsty, I didn’t know what would happen if I clicked on report since I’ve never had reason to do it. Thanks Oscar for your help too.
Generally speaking, considering that I am a so very, very old (hint: I am, supposedly, so old as to be placed in the very second group scheduled to get the shots!), I have had no serious problems with the previous, or have them now with the present arrangement of the buttons. Even with my undoubtedly shrunken brain and many other deficiencies proper of my extremely advanced age, I still seem to be able to find my way to comment in AskWoody with considerable ease, in spite of this fast-evolving button situation. So, please, Kirsty: don’t you worry about me. I’m good. I’m good.
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MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
“…give this a try – Reply, Thanks and Quote in the Footer, with Report in the Header.”
There are many ways to cut a pie and I can live with the above although my preference would be to keep Edit next to Reply in the footer and Thanks all the way right: Edit | Reply | Quote | Thanks.
The separators should be grey and perhaps also be added between Report | Post# on top. Of course, all imho.
We can’t add separators, sorry. Re the color, already discussed above.
And we have no control over the order in which the buttons are displayed, only whether they are in the header or the footer.
It is much better now IMHO with the Reply | Thanks | Quote on the bottom. The report button I have no opinion on, I have never used it and likely never will. (like most folk)
I would note that for the last at least week maybe more, clicking on an attached image loads fast and clicking back subsequently in my browser goes back to the original page very very quickly. 
I used to have to wait a few seconds. Maybe the new server arrangement??
Pale Moon 28.17 on W10 Pro 1909.
my preference would be to keep Edit next to Reply in the footer
Good idea, thanks!
Just made this change (may take a little while to be visible, though).
WCHS: REMOVE THANKS replaces THANKS in the bottom bar after you “THANK” someone.
And, as Wavy has noted and it is also my current experience, things now are distinctly working faster than before the move to either new servers, or to a new servers’ arrangement.
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MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
It’s not changed… been like that for (well, 4 years since the Lounge started, and you were one of the earlier Lounger accounts)
That’s why I said I was feeling stupid 
Wishlist items…
Home and End work in Windows 10 to scroll to top/bottom.
But I use Scroll To Top Button.
While those are easily doable on a keyboard, do you have a tip for touchscreens?
Frayed knot :
Great suggestion for Windows 10.
Now, does anyone have a suggestion for those using Android & iOS mobile devices?
Surely you just flick the screen up or down to get to the top or bottom. that’s what I do anyway.
Eliminate spare time: start programming PowerShell
I like the Cancel button when you reply. Handy when you hit reply on the wrong post.
cheers, Paul
One thing I have noted is that the Cancel/Submit option is only available when replies to Replies – it does not appear when replying to a topic’s primary post!
“Cancel” and “delete” are not the same thing.
“Cancel” refers to the submission – you can submit the content you have typed in the entry box, or you can cancel (ie, not submit) the content of the entry box.
“Delete” refers to an content of an already submitted entry, and you cannot delete something you have already submitted.
PK: I am OK with not deleting my already posted comments, because there are other ways to correct a wrong comment already made, even if they are not entirely elegant. But “Cancel” was missing before submitting a comment the first time, when I then wrote that it used to be next to “Submit” and it was no longer there or anywhere else I could see.
Now I’ve noticed, while writing this, that the “Cancel” button is back again, next to “Submit”, as it has always been the case until now — and I hope it stays there.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
Nice separators!
cheers, Paul
This will be because the IP address the VPN has assigned to you is a source of spam and our security blocks access.
See this thread for ways around the problem.
why should I disable my vpn to view here
cheers, Paul
I’ve seen the thread. You can read there that there are others that also have this problem on askwoody only – nowhere else. Which may be due to Wordfence falsely determening a certain vpn-ip address as being crooked, and not updating their databases.
This particular IP issue appears to be a very current blacklist, not historic…
I just got blocked today for the first time (while using my ipad, I am on laptop now but the ip address is the same as the ipad and this worked!). This kinda freaks me out a little bit!!! I don’t like knowing that there is a potential nefarious issue with my ip. I am not using a VPN. Why is my ip being blocked? My ISP provides my ip. I can’t change it. Do I need to call them?
I don’t like knowing that there is a potential nefarious issue with my ip. I am not using a VPN. Why is my ip being blocked?
It was not your IP# that got your post blocked. Your post was blocked when the firewall (rightly or wrongly) prevented you from what it detected to be as uploading script with potential to damage the website.
Each pageload block appears to have been for the same thing, and the following pageload worked fine.
This kind of script alert can come up when attempting to embed content, such as tweets.
Unfortunately, many VPNs are used by those trying to evade security for criminal purposes, and this creates major issues for many innocent customers trying just to be safe.
Free VPN suffer most from this problem, but it is also a major problem in paid services as well.
In the meantime, this thread is entirely off-topic!
we used to be able to delete a post within a certain amount of time after posting it…
Is there a way to bring back the limited time frame to delete a post so we can do so without bothering the admins?
No, that can’t be brought back. It only disappeared as an option when it stopped being a provided option in the platform we use.
However, while it was in action, it was being abused by Loungers, which caused a moderating nightmare on occasions. If you do need a post trashed, reporting it is the easiest way (some Loungers choose to delete the contents while the editing timeframe is still open, then report to request the trashing).
If you do need a post trashed, reporting it is the easiest way…
By using the “Report” link at the top of the post in question?
The wording that appears after clicking the “Report” link says
Use this only to report spam, harassment, fighting, or rude content.
I wouldn’t think that a duplicate post (saying the very same thing as another poster) would fall within those guidelines.
That’s why I DM’d a known admin to have the post removed instead.
Thanks for the tip on what some Loungers do by deleting the text of the post, saving it, then asking for it to be removed. Sounds like that technique saves someone else from responding to a post that will eventually be deleted, which would be a waste of their time.
If we had control over that wording, it would include wording like “personal attacks” instead of fighting
I understand your reticence to use the Report button “just” for trashing. However, with so many already doing it, we certainly don’t mind.
The problem with a DM is that it only goes to one person, who may not be online for quite a while.
Sounds like that technique saves someone else from responding to a post that will eventually be deleted, which would be a waste of their time.
Very much so – and that saves us work (much appreciated!).
Kirsty, I have never asked to have a comment deleted by using “report”, but might in the future, hence my question: How do MVPs know that the person “reporting” to ask that his or her comment be deleted is really the author of the comment? I suppose you have a way to tell.
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MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
How do MVPs know that the person “reporting” to ask that his or her comment be deleted is really the author of the comment?
We find that out when we investigate. It’s usually part of the comment added to the report anyway
It does tell you who made the report, but not who made the reported post
Most reports say “please delete my” (when requesting to delete), as opposed to reporting a concern in another’s post. The wording is very often telling, before we go to the mentioned post.
One problem with deleting a comment one has made and then changed ones’ mind about, is that, by then, people may have replied already to it with their own opinions. If the initial posting that caused those replies is deleted, so are all the replies. Sometimes this might not matter, but at some other times the successive linked comments might have brought something interesting with them that by “cutting off the head” would be lost forever.
One may reply to one’s problematic comment oneself, to explain what is wrong about it, so others do not wast time criticizing the comment for the very reason one would like to have deleted it. It is the right thing to do, if nothing else.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV
One problem with deleting a comment one has made and then changed ones’ mind about, is that, by then, people may have replied already to it with their own opinions. If the initial posting that caused those replies is deleted, so are all the replies.
Only if that “comment one has made” is a new topic will it delete the replies. In the case of a reply, the deleted reply causes all the subsequent replies to be unthreaded, making a total mess of the topic, when it happen in large topics.
Hence, I said:
while it was in action, it was being abused by Loungers, which caused a moderating nightmare on occasions.
Been on the list since about, oh, week 2 of the Lounge (nearly 4 years). It’s not something the stock-standard platform software permits (you’ve heard it here before – customizations cost $$$), but would be enormously helpful – agreed!
Aren’t these two recommended plugins free?
Neither of these are easily discoverable in the BBPress official plug-in library, and neither are current.
As they are not tested to run on the current platform, and the risk of conflicts with the other plug-ins we are using, I’d not recommend trying them at this point. One also requires a platform we don’t use.
If you can come up with a current, tested, appropriate option, we could check for known conflicts.
No! Underline was removed as an option in 2016 – due to it being confused with hyperlinks
While it “can be achieved”, it’s one of those “non-simple” BBCodes, and we know that playing with anything other than simple BBCodes can create problems with the site!
You may be interested to know that italics is given the shorthand code for “emphasis”. It was intended that would be used in places where we might use underlining in a word processor application.
More often than not, when desiring emphasis I use boldface type instead of italics. To my eye, italics in sans-serif faces doesn’t provide enough contrast with regular type for the intended purpose.
Oddly, when typing in the reply box the font that I see is a serif typeface, but it all comes out as sans serif when the reply gets posted. More than once I’ve gone back in to edit the reply to change it to boldface from italics because the latter just isn’t different enough.
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