How to know when SP2 is fully installed (Windows XP Professional SP1)

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How do you determine when SP 2 is fully installed.? I have decided to let Windows Update do it automatically and incrementally. I understand that this process started to dribble down for XP Pro on August 25th. I noticed in Add/Remove Programs that I have 9 Hotfixes that begin with (SP2), the last being Q819696. The General Tab in System Properties still says Service Pack 1.

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I’ve only installed one SP2 and I did it with the fullly downloaded file, so I can only suppose that when it’s complete for you, the screen “should” say so, as attached.

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I’ve only installed one SP2 and I did it with the fullly downloaded file, so I can only suppose that when it’s complete for you, the screen “should” say so, as attached.

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(Edited by Rebel on 26-Aug-04 07:23. )

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The General Tab in System Properties still says Service Pack 1.

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[/indent] It will change to Service Pack 2 when the install is complete. I chose to download the complete installation package and installed from that.

Oops – I see Al was quicker on the response than I was.

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(Edited by Rebel on 26-Aug-04 07:23. )

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The General Tab in System Properties still says Service Pack 1.

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[/indent] It will change to Service Pack 2 when the install is complete. I chose to download the complete installation package and installed from that.

Oops – I see Al was quicker on the response than I was.

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The hotfixes that reference SP2 mean that they were intended to be included in SP2 when they were released. See List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2 for the real list.

Joe

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I think I have the same question as Jim at the start of this post, but I think his phrasing is not correct. What I want to know is “How long is this dribble down process going to take?” . The installation of SP 2 on your machine needs human intervention – you WILL KNOW when it’s ready to install, and therefore when it’s fully installed. I want to know how much longer I’ve got to wait before it’s ready to start installing. Auto Updates gave me the “ready to download” message last week, I’ve had the computer on-line for about 2-4 hrs/day (it’s my home machine) on a DSL line every day since. I see no evidence of network activity etc. that might even give me a clue that stuff is coming down.

Thought – is my DSL hardware firewall blocking incoming traffic??

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Keith,

Since you have a DSL connnection and you don’t want to wait download the whole thing from Windows XP Service Pack 2 Network Installation. Don’t be diskmayed by the title. It is for all versions of XP and won’t take that long to download with DSL.

Joe

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Thanks Joe – I’ll give it a try.

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Thanks Joe – I’ll give it a try.

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Keith,

Since you have a DSL connnection and you don’t want to wait download the whole thing from Windows XP Service Pack 2 Network Installation. Don’t be diskmayed by the title. It is for all versions of XP and won’t take that long to download with DSL.

Joe

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2-4 hours per day may not be enough. MS is pushing this update to ALL XP users. As for how much longer you will have to wait – I’m sure nobody has that answer. And no, your firewall is not blocking this download. I agree with Joe – download the complete package and install it. The download takes a very little time with a DSL connection. The installation takes considerably longer.

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I was just wondering how important it is to download and install SP2 manually rather than wait for it to come through Automatic Update. Is it crucial to have it as soon as possible, or …….. ? What’s the story? ( I am a home user on DSL).

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Yes, it’s pretty important. In my opinion, the sooner the better.

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Mmmmm, you know what? The more I’m reading about different people having problems with their computers after installing SP2 — including that one where it crashed the computer completely — the more scared I get about installing SP2.

What’s going on with this SP2 thing anyway? Any ideas? It almost sounds like it’s more scary to have it than not to have it….

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I think you will find that most of the problems have been associated with the “auto update” procedure. As for “crashing the computer completely” (I think you are referring to this post ), this may be a totally unrelated (but coincidental) hardware problem. This is a massive update and there are bound to be a few glitches, and these are what we see publicized. We don’t hear about the thousands and thousands of installations that have worked without a hitch. But in the end, it is your decision.

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I think you will find that most of the problems have been associated with the “auto update” procedure. As for “crashing the computer completely” (I think you are referring to this post ), this may be a totally unrelated (but coincidental) hardware problem. This is a massive update and there are bound to be a few glitches, and these are what we see publicized. We don’t hear about the thousands and thousands of installations that have worked without a hitch. But in the end, it is your decision.

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Since my Auto Update has been on all this time and I have clicked a little pop-up box to “download”, I assume I’m in the middle of the Auto Update process …. although I have no idea where. So does that mean it’s too late to back off and install it myself in one of the ways mentioned?

My Auto Update is programmed to “install” downloads at 3AM every day. So the day I clicked the “download” button, I kept the computer on all night, not realizing it was being downloaded bit by bit and not all at once (is that right?…that’s the impression I’m getting from reading these posts). I haven’t had it on at 3AM since that time because I didn’t know what was going on. How do I know if it’s all downloaded by now? Or if ANYTHING has downloaded yet?

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No. it’s not too late. Simply turn off automatic updates (Start>Control Panel>System>Automatic Updates). You are correct in that this update is being downloaded a little at a time, but if you have scheduled 3:00 am downloads and you haven’t had your computer on at that time (except for the first night), probably not much has been downloaded. If you leave automatic updates on and you leave your computer on all night (or reschedule the updates to a more convenient time), eventually you will receive a balloon pop up in the taskbar prompting you to install SP2.

If you go to the MS Knowlege Base, select Windows XP and search for “SP2” or “download SP2”, you will find many informative articles.

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Thanks for all the good advice and input. Much appreciated! I did go to the MS knowledge base and followed out all the links applicable to my computer. Wow, did I ever learn a lot. It seems like the computer needs to be prepared ahead of time before getting this SP2 installed! LOTS of preparation — at least that’s what showed up for my computer (it’s an HP)….. scan disc, disc cleanup, defragment; all sorts of upgrades to be downloaded on various programs etc (all provided for me at the HP website); etc etc. I had no idea. And I wonder how many others have no idea and just sort of allow Automatic Update to take care of it and then just follow along. And if they haven’t had these preparations ahead of time maybe that’s why there are so many problems as a result of getting SP2. I don’t know. I’m just wondering. I’ve done some of the prep work recommended, but still haven’t downloaded. They are saying it’s “unavailable” now due to the great demand and to check back at the Update site later. So I decided to just order the CD, like Doc Watson was talking about.

But if it’s really so important to do so many things to prepare your computer ahead of time, shouldn’t they tell that to people in big red warning letters before they download and install? I just happened to begin to get educated on this thanks to you and all the good input on this forum, but that was just sort of my dumb luck. Not everyone is so lucky. And with all that, I still don’t know if I’ll have a successful experience, but at least maybe I have a better chance. So I hope everyone who reads this will check this out via the MS knowledge base and take it through all the places it leads them and hopefully it will bring more success to more people.

Thanks again. And have a great day.

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Great – you’ve done your homework! The MSKB does have a wealth of information, but the majority of people will not do any research. That’s understandable though. Most people simply want their computer to work – they don’t have the time or the inclination or the knowledge to troubleshoot. Possibly MS should warn people of the various problems they may run into, but for the vast majority, it will work. It’s also almost impossible for MS to list all of the possible conflicts for all of the multitude of hardware and software configurations that are in use. To their credit, they have published a list of applications that may not work properly after the installation of SP 2 however.

This link is still working for me. Give it a try and let us know how you make out. Good luck.

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Some numbers might help. I have just downloaded and saved the 288 MB version at 2:30 AM Aug. 29, and it took me about 20 minutes with ADSL. It was instantly available, where all attempts to see the other download, even at this hour, were met by a message that it was not available due to high demand.

Because I saved and haven’t yet installed, I can take my time in making decisions. As it happens, I have one XP computer that I want to do a clean install on anyway, so that is where I will begin.

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288 MB version at 2:30 AM Aug. 29, and it took me about 20 minutes

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Come on John…. there are numbers here. I don’t know how much assistance they will provide. But they are numbers. Was that 2:30 AM in Toronto or Finland Peter ?? (Just havin’ a little fun at your expense. No offense intended.)

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. OK Doc- give me a break – so I had a brain cramp at 2:00 in the morning. Thought Peter was asking me for some numbers .

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At 2 AM the only number I consider important is the number of sheep I’ve counted in the past hour. As long as it’s a binary number I’m fine.

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Going back to the “Dribble” process, I took a look at the AutoUpdate log file. It seems it does go out and grab stuff to append to a (presumably) growing file hidden somewhere in the machine. One thing I “think” I gleaned from this is that no matter how long you leave your computer on, connected to the outside world (DSL in my case) nothing appears to happen to the dribble UNLESS IE is running. Is that really the case? I left the machine on overnight with nothing running and the log was empty for that entire period. I launched IE and left it for another few hrs. When I checked the log again there was a mass of stuff going on.

So it seems to me that there’s a crucial bit of information hidden in the MS info that “should” say “..all the while you are connected to the internet WITH OUR PRODUCT..”

I gave up and did the manual download. 4PM Saturday afternoon (California time). Don’t know how long it took as I stepped away, but I’d guess 20-30 mins tops.

Now all I have to do is pluck up courage to install it

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Going back to the “Dribble” process, I took a look at the AutoUpdate log file. It seems it does go out and grab stuff to append to a (presumably) growing file hidden somewhere in the machine. One thing I “think” I gleaned from this is that no matter how long you leave your computer on, connected to the outside world (DSL in my case) nothing appears to happen to the dribble UNLESS IE is running. Is that really the case? I left the machine on overnight with nothing running and the log was empty for that entire period. I launched IE and left it for another few hrs. When I checked the log again there was a mass of stuff going on.

So it seems to me that there’s a crucial bit of information hidden in the MS info that “should” say “..all the while you are connected to the internet WITH OUR PRODUCT..”

I gave up and did the manual download. 4PM Saturday afternoon (California time). Don’t know how long it took as I stepped away, but I’d guess 20-30 mins tops.

Now all I have to do is pluck up courage to install it

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At 2 AM the only number I consider important is the number of sheep I’ve counted in the past hour. As long as it’s a binary number I’m fine.

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. OK Doc- give me a break – so I had a brain cramp at 2:00 in the morning. Thought Peter was asking me for some numbers .

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288 MB version at 2:30 AM Aug. 29, and it took me about 20 minutes

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Come on John…. there are numbers here. I don’t know how much assistance they will provide. But they are numbers. Was that 2:30 AM in Toronto or Finland Peter ?? (Just havin’ a little fun at your expense. No offense intended.)

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Some numbers might help. I have just downloaded and saved the 288 MB version at 2:30 AM Aug. 29, and it took me about 20 minutes with ADSL. It was instantly available, where all attempts to see the other download, even at this hour, were met by a message that it was not available due to high demand.

Because I saved and haven’t yet installed, I can take my time in making decisions. As it happens, I have one XP computer that I want to do a clean install on anyway, so that is where I will begin.

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Great – you’ve done your homework! The MSKB does have a wealth of information, but the majority of people will not do any research. That’s understandable though. Most people simply want their computer to work – they don’t have the time or the inclination or the knowledge to troubleshoot. Possibly MS should warn people of the various problems they may run into, but for the vast majority, it will work. It’s also almost impossible for MS to list all of the possible conflicts for all of the multitude of hardware and software configurations that are in use. To their credit, they have published a list of applications that may not work properly after the installation of SP 2 however.

This link is still working for me. Give it a try and let us know how you make out. Good luck.

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Thanks for all the good advice and input. Much appreciated! I did go to the MS knowledge base and followed out all the links applicable to my computer. Wow, did I ever learn a lot. It seems like the computer needs to be prepared ahead of time before getting this SP2 installed! LOTS of preparation — at least that’s what showed up for my computer (it’s an HP)….. scan disc, disc cleanup, defragment; all sorts of upgrades to be downloaded on various programs etc (all provided for me at the HP website); etc etc. I had no idea. And I wonder how many others have no idea and just sort of allow Automatic Update to take care of it and then just follow along. And if they haven’t had these preparations ahead of time maybe that’s why there are so many problems as a result of getting SP2. I don’t know. I’m just wondering. I’ve done some of the prep work recommended, but still haven’t downloaded. They are saying it’s “unavailable” now due to the great demand and to check back at the Update site later. So I decided to just order the CD, like Doc Watson was talking about.

But if it’s really so important to do so many things to prepare your computer ahead of time, shouldn’t they tell that to people in big red warning letters before they download and install? I just happened to begin to get educated on this thanks to you and all the good input on this forum, but that was just sort of my dumb luck. Not everyone is so lucky. And with all that, I still don’t know if I’ll have a successful experience, but at least maybe I have a better chance. So I hope everyone who reads this will check this out via the MS knowledge base and take it through all the places it leads them and hopefully it will bring more success to more people.

Thanks again. And have a great day.

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No. it’s not too late. Simply turn off automatic updates (Start>Control Panel>System>Automatic Updates). You are correct in that this update is being downloaded a little at a time, but if you have scheduled 3:00 am downloads and you haven’t had your computer on at that time (except for the first night), probably not much has been downloaded. If you leave automatic updates on and you leave your computer on all night (or reschedule the updates to a more convenient time), eventually you will receive a balloon pop up in the taskbar prompting you to install SP2.

If you go to the MS Knowlege Base, select Windows XP and search for “SP2” or “download SP2”, you will find many informative articles.

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Since my Auto Update has been on all this time and I have clicked a little pop-up box to “download”, I assume I’m in the middle of the Auto Update process …. although I have no idea where. So does that mean it’s too late to back off and install it myself in one of the ways mentioned?

My Auto Update is programmed to “install” downloads at 3AM every day. So the day I clicked the “download” button, I kept the computer on all night, not realizing it was being downloaded bit by bit and not all at once (is that right?…that’s the impression I’m getting from reading these posts). I haven’t had it on at 3AM since that time because I didn’t know what was going on. How do I know if it’s all downloaded by now? Or if ANYTHING has downloaded yet?

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I agree that most of the problems have been with Auto Updates of SP2. Other posts in the lounge have indicated a no problem update with the full download.
Other problems mentioned seem to be with older installed apps.
See thread with a link to a list of known issues. post 399801

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I agree that most of the problems have been with Auto Updates of SP2. Other posts in the lounge have indicated a no problem update with the full download.
Other problems mentioned seem to be with older installed apps.
See thread with a link to a list of known issues. post 399801

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It all depends on how much you trust Microsoft’s patch and update process. I for one don’t trust the 800 Lb. Gorilla as far as I can throw one !! As a general rule, I wait for the OK from Woody to install the patches and updates and then only do it selectively. If they can’t be trusted to get the OS right the first time, how do you trust them to patch it correctly after-the-fact ???

That said, and all things considered, this update/patch/service pack is the most thoroughly tested piece of software MS has EVER released. The scope of things that it fixes, patches, updates and in general the wholesale changes it makes to the OS makes it more like an upgrade than a patch or a service pack. And that is what makes it important and a must have for ALL XP users. Even my skeptical self will be taking the plunge with this one !! I will first do a complete image of my HD to an external drive and set a restore point in System Restore manually, and then install the service pack from a CD sent by snail-mail from MS. Get the CD from them so you can restore your system without having to download anything. If they offer a CD for any upgrade or service pack or patch, take it. No…. insist that they send it !!! You paid for their defective OS. Let them pay to fix it !!! This December they are returning BILLIONS of dollars to their shareholders (myself included) in the form of a one-time special dividend. They should not feel that this is OK to do while the customers who paid those billions are left to twist in the wind with an operating system that has more holes than a sieve.

That’s my .

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Doc,
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This December they are returning BILLIONS of dollars to their shareholders (myself included) in the form of a one-time special dividend.
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You aren’t talking about the class action suit that is in the works ( at least here in Mass. ) regarding overcharges by MS for it’s OSs and some of it’s apps, going back to the time of DOS are you? I have received two sets of forms to fill out and return to the “legals” in order to get on the claim list.

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Bob,

No this was announced at the July MS quarterly meeting. Microsoft Outlines Quarterly Dividend, Four-Year Stock Buyback Plan, And Special Dividend to Shareholders

Joe

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Bob,

No this was announced at the July MS quarterly meeting. Microsoft Outlines Quarterly Dividend, Four-Year Stock Buyback Plan, And Special Dividend to Shareholders

Joe

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Bob,

The “give-back” that Joe linked to is what I was referring to. Seems they have more than they can invest “wisely”. I should have such problems !!! I have to live with my stupid investments. Why shouldn’t they ???

My point, well obscured by my rant, was that a truely wise use of all that cash would be to design an OS that works right the first time. Spend the time and money there instead of on after-the-fact patches and fixes that seem to often do more harm than good. And while it’s true that we don’t hear of all the millions of folks who are seemingly not adversely affected by all this, I wouldn’t want to be one of those poor unfortunates whose system gets trashed and they don’t have a backup (for whatever reason). It was the Microsoft PR department that coined the phrase “Trustworthy Computing” was it not ???

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Bob,

The “give-back” that Joe linked to is what I was referring to. Seems they have more than they can invest “wisely”. I should have such problems !!! I have to live with my stupid investments. Why shouldn’t they ???

My point, well obscured by my rant, was that a truely wise use of all that cash would be to design an OS that works right the first time. Spend the time and money there instead of on after-the-fact patches and fixes that seem to often do more harm than good. And while it’s true that we don’t hear of all the millions of folks who are seemingly not adversely affected by all this, I wouldn’t want to be one of those poor unfortunates whose system gets trashed and they don’t have a backup (for whatever reason). It was the Microsoft PR department that coined the phrase “Trustworthy Computing” was it not ???

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Doc,
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This December they are returning BILLIONS of dollars to their shareholders (myself included) in the form of a one-time special dividend.
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You aren’t talking about the class action suit that is in the works ( at least here in Mass. ) regarding overcharges by MS for it’s OSs and some of it’s apps, going back to the time of DOS are you? I have received two sets of forms to fill out and return to the “legals” in order to get on the claim list.

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Geeze Doc – Don’t hold back! Tell us what you REALLY think about Microsoft.

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John,
If I did that the mods would have to pull my post. And, as I recall our favorite guru, Mr. Leonhard himself, isn’t a big MS fan for many of the same reasons.

Ya have to admire their “Mushroom” business model Keep things in the dark as long as possible and feed a steady diet of MSBS !!!

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John,
If I did that the mods would have to pull my post. And, as I recall our favorite guru, Mr. Leonhard himself, isn’t a big MS fan for many of the same reasons.

Ya have to admire their “Mushroom” business model Keep things in the dark as long as possible and feed a steady diet of MSBS !!!

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Geeze Doc – Don’t hold back! Tell us what you REALLY think about Microsoft.

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I finally got the SP2 CD from Microsoft (it got to me pretty fast actually), and will be installing SP2 after I get a glitch out of my computer (standby problems and errors with mrtRate service which is a driver associated with Quicken I’ve learned thanks to Bob and John). But I’m wondering if I should remove the SP2 hotfixes that I see in my Add & Remove Programs in the control panel. They were a partial download of SP2 (I’m guessing), but then I decided I wanted to go the CD route so have not downloaded any more since, even tho the little bubble in the task bar tells me they are ready. So, remove the hotfixes designated as being “SP2” (there’s other hotfixes in there too) before using the CD or just let them stay? Or remove them afterward? Or…? What would be your advice?

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The SP2 update should look at your configuration and will decide which ones are needed and which ones you already have. So just run it and let it do it’s thing.

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The SP2 update should look at your configuration and will decide which ones are needed and which ones you already have. So just run it and let it do it’s thing.

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The hotifxes should be gone from Add/Remove after you install SP-2. They are part of SP-2 that you (or Automatic Updates) applied before SP-2 was released.

Joe

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The hotifxes should be gone from Add/Remove after you install SP-2. They are part of SP-2 that you (or Automatic Updates) applied before SP-2 was released.

Joe

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I finally got the SP2 CD from Microsoft (it got to me pretty fast actually), and will be installing SP2 after I get a glitch out of my computer (standby problems and errors with mrtRate service which is a driver associated with Quicken I’ve learned thanks to Bob and John). But I’m wondering if I should remove the SP2 hotfixes that I see in my Add & Remove Programs in the control panel. They were a partial download of SP2 (I’m guessing), but then I decided I wanted to go the CD route so have not downloaded any more since, even tho the little bubble in the task bar tells me they are ready. So, remove the hotfixes designated as being “SP2” (there’s other hotfixes in there too) before using the CD or just let them stay? Or remove them afterward? Or…? What would be your advice?

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It all depends on how much you trust Microsoft’s patch and update process. I for one don’t trust the 800 Lb. Gorilla as far as I can throw one !! As a general rule, I wait for the OK from Woody to install the patches and updates and then only do it selectively. If they can’t be trusted to get the OS right the first time, how do you trust them to patch it correctly after-the-fact ???

That said, and all things considered, this update/patch/service pack is the most thoroughly tested piece of software MS has EVER released. The scope of things that it fixes, patches, updates and in general the wholesale changes it makes to the OS makes it more like an upgrade than a patch or a service pack. And that is what makes it important and a must have for ALL XP users. Even my skeptical self will be taking the plunge with this one !! I will first do a complete image of my HD to an external drive and set a restore point in System Restore manually, and then install the service pack from a CD sent by snail-mail from MS. Get the CD from them so you can restore your system without having to download anything. If they offer a CD for any upgrade or service pack or patch, take it. No…. insist that they send it !!! You paid for their defective OS. Let them pay to fix it !!! This December they are returning BILLIONS of dollars to their shareholders (myself included) in the form of a one-time special dividend. They should not feel that this is OK to do while the customers who paid those billions are left to twist in the wind with an operating system that has more holes than a sieve.

That’s my .

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Mmmmm, you know what? The more I’m reading about different people having problems with their computers after installing SP2 — including that one where it crashed the computer completely — the more scared I get about installing SP2.

What’s going on with this SP2 thing anyway? Any ideas? It almost sounds like it’s more scary to have it than not to have it….

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Yes, it’s pretty important. In my opinion, the sooner the better.

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I was just wondering how important it is to download and install SP2 manually rather than wait for it to come through Automatic Update. Is it crucial to have it as soon as possible, or …….. ? What’s the story? ( I am a home user on DSL).

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2-4 hours per day may not be enough. MS is pushing this update to ALL XP users. As for how much longer you will have to wait – I’m sure nobody has that answer. And no, your firewall is not blocking this download. I agree with Joe – download the complete package and install it. The download takes a very little time with a DSL connection. The installation takes considerably longer.

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There’s a file C:WindowsWindowsUpdate.log which may give you information about the times when Windows Update is trying to download the SP2 data. It’s deeply-Microsoft-techie, though.

All that my work PC tells me is that the “automatic” download failed on each attempt with error code 8024402C ! Time to pull the 266 MB network install across the network from our software library server, I fear…

John

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There’s a file C:WindowsWindowsUpdate.log which may give you information about the times when Windows Update is trying to download the SP2 data. It’s deeply-Microsoft-techie, though.

All that my work PC tells me is that the “automatic” download failed on each attempt with error code 8024402C ! Time to pull the 266 MB network install across the network from our software library server, I fear…

John

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I think I have the same question as Jim at the start of this post, but I think his phrasing is not correct. What I want to know is “How long is this dribble down process going to take?” . The installation of SP 2 on your machine needs human intervention – you WILL KNOW when it’s ready to install, and therefore when it’s fully installed. I want to know how much longer I’ve got to wait before it’s ready to start installing. Auto Updates gave me the “ready to download” message last week, I’ve had the computer on-line for about 2-4 hrs/day (it’s my home machine) on a DSL line every day since. I see no evidence of network activity etc. that might even give me a clue that stuff is coming down.

Thought – is my DSL hardware firewall blocking incoming traffic??

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The hotfixes that reference SP2 mean that they were intended to be included in SP2 when they were released. See List of fixes included in Windows XP Service Pack 2 for the real list.

Joe

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