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    I’m doing some reorganizing of the side menu to make the site better in the long run.  First off thank you to all that make the forums a happy and hea
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2370552

      Remember too as you post a question to either tick the box “Notify me of follow-up replies via email” or – if you just want to watch the topic and not post, remember to click subscribe at the top of the topic. Either method will ensure that you get an alert when someone someone posts.

      Naturally, this only applies to logged in posters, not anonymous site visitors…

    • #2370554

      I don’t like it. Just my opinion. Probably won’t visit as often.

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      • #2370558

        The alternative is that the site goes down and you wouldn’t be able to visit at all.  Sometimes with technology you have to do what you have to do.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        • #2370570

          Time for a new host?

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        • #2370645

          There are other options. You could cache the results and only refresh them every X number of seconds with a single database hit.

          Alternatively, the database could be set up to journal new posts as they are made, rather than doing a search to find all new posts. That would make it where there is a small hit only when a post is being made, but not repeatedly every time a page is refreshed.

          I mean, removing it is the easiest option, by far. But it’s not the only one. So, if people really do care, I could see looking into something like the above (or maybe another idea) to keep the feature without it causing problems.

          That said, I myself won’t miss it. I never found it that useful. But I also very, very rarely use the actual forums.

      • #2370691

        To anonymous: What is about the actions that Susan has taken that irks you so much? Just curious.

        Peace, CAS

    • #2370561

      It’s new, it’s different, so of course I didn’t like it…

      … for about all of 5 seconds when I decided to take Susan’s suggestion of going to “New Posts: Last Day”. I can update that page whenever I want with the refresh button, which is what I used to do on the home page, but now I actually get the new posts for the last 24 hours instead of only the last 20 or 30 new posts. After each listed topic there’s a small orange circle with a triangle in it. Click that and you’ll go to the first new reply you haven’t read.

      So, give it 5 seconds – 10 max. You’ll like it. IMHO an excellent change.

      Edit: The circle is more brown than orange, until you hover your pointer over it, and it’s a greater than sign rather than a triangle inside the circle.

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      • #2370571

        Too much scrolling to get to latest posts.

        • #2370592

          There’s no more scrolling involved doing it my new way than there was before. If I’m on “New posts: Last day” and I see a topic with “new reply” in white letters on a green background, I click on the small brown disk with a greater than sign in it and I’m taken right to the first new reply that I haven’t read. Of course, I’m a member and I’m logged in, so my experience might be different than yours.

    • #2370565

      The “Recent Replies” list is the first and usually the only place I check at AskWoody.com. Without requiring additional clicks, it presents a concise rundown, not only of what’s hot in the last few hours, but also of new topics that have been posted.

      The first link in what is now the top list, “Search for Topics”, is labeled “Most popular topics”. (BTW, how does “Most popular topics” differ conceptually from the list for “Topics with most replies”?) I just took a screenshot of the list that appears when clicking on that link:

      Most-popular-topics

      Note that one of these “popular” topics last had a post 5 hours ago, and another one had a post a week ago: the rest haven’t had anything added to them in months or even years. In what sense are these topics “popular”? Maybe at one point they were, but certainly not now. How about renaming this list “Longest Threads” and putting it toward the bottom of the list?

      As for that category, “New posts since last visit”–what counts as the “last visit”? Typically, I leave browser tabs open to the AskWoody.com home page, and then refresh every so often to see what’s new in terms of replies. Will I now have to actually leave the site (e.g., close the browser tab) and open a new tab in order to make it a “new visit” so that I can see the posts that are new since the last time I checked?

       

      • #2370591

        A little experimenting seems to indicate the ‘since last visit means the last time you were logged in; so, if you stay logged in continuously your last visit will have been some time ago.

        I used to do what you did – sit on the home page and refresh every so often. Now I sit on the “New Posts: Last Day” page and refresh every so often; it has exactly the same effect (I typically log in once every day.)

      • #2370593

        I just put a direct and more obvious link to the “Posts in the last day” that’s up near the top.  See if that works better?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2370576

      I might be about to become really unpopular here after I have said what I am going to say about this sidebar radical reorganizing, but I am 100% with DrBonzo. The “Recent Replies” has not been great for me (since around the time of, or not long after the”Swallowing of the Whale”), because now suddenly a supposedly terrifying something comes up and all notices of comments posted before the last two hours disappear buried in an endless series of later comments on the same one scary issue in just the one thread.

      I much prefer to use, and I do use, “New posts: Last x days”, where all those 00 (that’s the infinity sign) comments on a bad Windows patch, for example, get collapsed to just the one entry by the last person who commented on that issue and I can see what else has come up sometime between right now and less than very, very recently. If either the last person, or the thread that last person commented on, interests me, then I connect to that last comment to that thread, scan this last comment, if I find it interesting enough, I read it in detail, from top to bottom,  and then go scrolling upwards from there.

      Now, what I do not understand is why this reorganization of the sidebar is the one alternative to never again anybody being able to access AskWoody.  Susan?

      Also, DrBonzo: What little triangle? I see nothing like that in “New posts: Last x days.”

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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      • #2370579

        Right now when I look at New Posts:Last Day I see a green box with the white words “new reply” in it, then a couple of small icons, then the link “Doing a bit of re-organizing”, then a small brown circle with a greater than sign in it. I edited my post above to say it is actually a greater than sign and not a small triangle. When my pointer hovers over the circle it changes to orange and a small pop-up message “First new reply” appears. It seems that only topics that begin with the green box with white words “new reply” have the small circle containing the greater than sign.

        (And technically, I suppose it’s not actually a circle since it’s a ‘filled in’ graphic in a circular shape, and a circle is just the set of points at a fixed distance from a given point, and does not include all the points in the interior of the boundary formed by that set of points. I should have referred to it as a disk, but colloquial English usage won out.)

        • #2370600

          DrBonzo: I just check this out and it is as you have explained. Thanks.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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    • #2370577

      Well Susan while you are at it why not minimize/remove that ‘newsletter sign up notice’ – more importantly do something more visually friendly to that insipid pale yellow right hand side panel- it makes it difficult to see for very old eyes, especially with blue writing.

      • #2370586

        That notice should go away when you log in. It doesn’t for you?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2370578

      Maybe it’s always been that way, but “Recent Topics” on the sidebar are not in chronological order. It would make more sense if they were.

      Windows 10 Pro 22H2

      • #2370587

        It’s ordered by the time of “topic” posting on the site, not by the age of the response to the topic.  Does that make sense?

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

        • #2370603

          If I remember correctly, this is the way it always has been: threads ordered according to when they were started and annotated with the time of the last comment added to each of them. When a new thread gets started, its name appears at the top of the list and the last and oldest one in the list sinks out of sight for ever, even if it has had a comment added five seconds ago.

          By the way, Susan: couldn’t this list be extended further into the past, now that there is more brown sidebar real state available to do that?

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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    • #2370595

      Earlier this hour, I posted in this thread to ask if I now have to leave the site and go back in, in order to see any results in that “New posts since last visit” list. I also described the inadequacy of the “New posts: Last day” list in comparison to the “Recent Replies” list that used to appear in the sidebar. Per the Lounge Rules, there were no personal attacks, no swearing, no politics, and no religion.

      And yet, that post is no longer showing up.

      EDIT: And when this post went up, it appeared with an image attachment that I did NOT attach (there were no attachments to this post).

       

      • #2370601

        I’m still seeing that post, it hasn’t been removed.  I haven’t put in the cache plug in, so that shouldn’t be an issue.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

      • #2370606

        Cybertooth,

        It is definitely a matter of how one is used to do things here. I have never looked into ‘”New posts after last visit”, would look very quickly at “New Replies”, to see what was the latest excitement about, and then would dive into “New posts: Last three days”, in case I might have missed something that far back. Followed by a quick look at “My Profile/Replies Created” to see which of my recent comments had been disappeared. Because, you know.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2370612

      I think it would be useful to have the recent replies on a link for those who use it – I do sometimes.

      cheers, Paul

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      • #2370617

        Paul T: “I think it would be useful to have the recent replies on a link

        That sounds to me like a good alternative to no “Recent Replies” at all and it should not break the bank. It might also make possible having a longer list of recent replies, so those several hours old will not vanish into oblivion too soon. Susan?

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

        • #2370618

          Try the new link on the side for “Posts with recent replies

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

          • #2370619

            Oh, I meant to write a longer list of “Recent Topics.” My mistake. Sorry!

            Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

            MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
            Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
            macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2370624

            Susan: “Posts in the last day”, “Posts with recent replies” and “Recently active topics”: how are they different? I had a quick look at each of them and they seemed very similar to each other, so I better ask.

            Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

            MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
            Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
            macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2370625

            As an experiment, I opened separate tabs for this new “Posts with Recent Replies” and for “New posts: Last day”. The two yielded identical results on the first page, the only difference being that “New posts: Last day” announces it’s showing topics 1-15 of a total of 38, whereas “Posts with Recent Replies” announces it’s showing 1-15 of a total of 178,487. So “Posts with Recent Replies” doesn’t really add anything for someone looking for recent replies.

            (The “Posts with Recent Replies” link, BTW, leads to exactly the same place as the link to “Recently active topics”, so it’s redundant.)

            The “Recent Replies” list that sat in the sidebar until tonight is conceptually distinct from these two, in that it showed the last X number of most recent posts in any topic, whereas the lists in the two links above give only the single most recent post for each topic. It’s the first concept that one hopes will be replicated in whatever form.

            EDIT: Also, the post that I reported as having disappeared is still not showing up. I verified this on a different PC where I am not logged into AskWoody.com. It is a more recent post than #2370565, and it was posted around 11:15PM Eastern Time, give or take 15 minutes on either side.

             

          • #2370626

            A list of posts by date rather than topics by post date.

            cheers, Paul

            • #2370632

              Excellent, the two queries we need in an easy to find location.

              Maybe just call it “Recent Replies” rather than “Posts with Recent Replies”.

              cheers, Paul

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    • #2370633

      The main change I’ve noticed this week is the lack as yet of any “front page” article on Tuesday’s June Windows Updates (apart from a bit about the News and Interests feature). A subscriber has started a topic on a sub-forum, which you have to go looking and clicking for, but usually we’d have an early listing of the critical fixes and other updates on the front page as soon as they became known, which is where I suspect most followers of the site start and end their visits most of the time.

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      • #2370976

        Agree. This is a monthly item that I look for. Patch Tuesday is still very relevant I would assume.

        Win10 Pro

    • #2370638

      On the matter of re-organisation,  I certainly miss the “recent replies” widget but only when I’m on the front page. Susan reports that the performance hit derives at least in part from the fact that it is on every page, but is that strictly necessary? Has any consideration been given to having it appear only on the home page?

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    • #2370653

      Susan, thank you. IMHO this is a huge improvement. The links in the right-hand menu make everything much more accessible, less unwieldy, and the site does seem to pop (especially as compared to before this change). I like it!

    • #2370661

      Wouldnt be more appropriate to “generate recent replies and store it in variable”, so it can be displayed everywhere just by reading the variable?
      Recent replies are good for me, because you can react quickly on people asking for help. If, for example, new users wont get answer within few hours, they could not return to the page at all.
      Just my idea, maybe it could inspire someone 🙂

      Dell Latitude 3420, Intel Core i7 @ 2.8 GHz, 16GB RAM, W10 22H2 Enterprise

      HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

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    • #2370672

      I wish there were an easy way to find *your*own* posts.   I sometimes have something to update on an old thread of mine and it’d be great if, as most forums do, there was a “my activitiy” either in the right-menu or accessible from the “my account” menu.   I know that threr **IS* such a page because I sometimes find it when I do a “site=askwoody.com” netsearch but I can never remember the URL

      I also wonder what the overall opinion is toward making “notify me of updates” the default?

      • #2370674

        Does “Topics with my reply” work?

        Otherwise, click on your Avatar/ID and choose “Replies created” or “Topics started”

        • #2370677

          I just added that as another short cut on the side. (thanks)

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2370686

          didn’t know about clicking on the avatar.. that’s *perfect*.  THANKS

      • #2370710

        berniec: If you click on your icon at the top of the sidebar, you are taken to the page with your profile. There, on the left of the page, you have buttons labelled “Replies Created”  and “Topics Started”. If you click on “Replies Created” you’ll find all your comments there ordered from later ones to earlier ones, from the very latest all the way back to the very first comment you ever posted at AskWoody. “Topics Started” shows links to the latest comment entered in every single thread you have ever started in any one of the forums. I hope this answers your question.

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

        • #2370714

          It does — exactly what I was looking for and never knew it was there.  thanks

    • #2370683

      I’m reminded every time I login to this forum that I’m not a Plus Member.
      I can however, without a Plus Membership, use the site, but I can’t get the most recent AskWoody Plus Newsletters, and I won’t be able to download Master Patch Lists. I’m also asked to help keep the site alive and become a Plus Member and to remember the ‘site’ is on a donation model, so I only pay what I think it’s worth.

      Perhaps those that currently want to contribute to the ‘sites’ admin should pay more to help with maintenance/repairs/upgrades etc! ?
      Personally, in maybe 27 years of forum use as a viewer and a contributing member, I can’t recall ever being asked to donate any money towards the forum’s ‘upkeep’ with the exception of this one.
      I have never needed or wanted AskWoody Plus Newsletters, and I have managed just fine without any Master Patch Lists over the years so there is no incentive for me or others to pay anything.
      I’m not sure if the admin is aware that all that they are making available to those that donate, is ‘generously’ being uploaded by some kind ‘Plus Member(s)’ to servers which generally hold illegal/pirated content and it is made available for free for all to download should they want to. Obviously, the location of this ‘free’ content needs to be known, but it’s not too hard to find.

      Hollywood has spent Billions of $ over the years trying to prevent copied/pirated dramas/movies/music/DVDs/BDs etc from being uploaded, then downloaded, but they cannot and never will stop it. Where there’s a will . . . . . !
      With that in mind, perhaps a different ‘business’ model should be considered to secure Askwoody’s future, as trusting ‘some’ that donate for its survival is not always a good practice.

      When a forum becomes very popular and a ‘business’ opportunity is on the horizon with its own staff, then the model chosen has to reflect the current and future ambitions of the creators/administrators/staff/etc.
      I’ve seen many, forums over the years having issues one way or another and often it is too many forums, within forums, within forums, too many links to all those forums, that contribute to the massive, un-need databases and eventually their chosen software will creak and groan and not cope very well.
      It’s the members/donors/viewers that suffer and when their concerns are not seriously ‘heard’, the very same, loyal members/donors/viewers will simply go elsewhere for a better, more reliable experience.
      Forums that don’t change/modify/improve will ultimately pay the price – they will cease to exist.

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      • #2370735

        Surely you can afford $10 to help out – and lose the reminder.  🙂

        cheers, Paul

        • #2370740

          Surely you can afford $10 to help out – and lose the reminder

          I don’t think this forum would appreciate any help I could offer.
          What reminder?

          • #2370742

            What reminder?

            I’m reminded every time I login to this forum that I’m not a Plus Member.

            • #2370754

              b You have quoted me twice in the above post.
              First being “What reminder”
              That was a reference to the animation in post No 2370740. As in now you see it – now you don’t.
              Before I was reminded every time I login to this forum that I’m not a Plus Member.
              Now there is no reminder.
              I hope that clears any confusion over being off topic (the post that was removed).

          • #2370792

            I appreciate all donations no matter the amount.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2370697

      Just noticed this morning that the first few words of text that showed when you hovered over the Recent Topics is gone.  Is this also part of the new changes?  It’s not a really big deal but I did like that nice feature of the site.

      Also:  Recent Replies no longer exists on the side bar anymore.

      Also:  Just now I noticed that this post didn’t come up in the Recent Topics.

      Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
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      • #2370701

        The post is a Reply, not a Topic.

        • #2370703

          Yes, I know that now.  It’s a bigger change than I thought.

          I’m just so accustomed to going on this site and knowing how to use it. I didn’t notice at first and should have read all of Susan’s re-organizing post.

          Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's
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      • #2370711

        I also really miss hovering over each reply link under Recent Replies on the side to read the first line of each reply. I guess I will be visiting many more pages if recent reply links stay missing from the home page.

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    • #2370705

      wow! congratulations on creating a windows 10 esq site, click, click, click, click, click, click and no computerworld article or a blog about patch tuesday’s releases

    • #2370764

      As someone who has done a decent amount of database management in the past, it pains me to see that the sidebar was coded this way with no regard for processing requirements. It’s bad for server costs and bad for page load time.

      It would be much better to, upon the posting of a reply, save the ID of that reply in a ‘recent posts’ table in the forum database, and delete the earliest reply in that table at the same time. Then, when a page is loaded, instead of going through and sorting every post, simply load the reply IDs from the ‘recent posts’ table.

      The same should really be done for Recent Topics, too.

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    • #2370783

      This doesn’t help:

      W3C

      And that is from just this topic.  This site is cobbled together from two cookie-cutter site developer kits, WordPress and bbPress sharing a huge database, in addition to being very dated.

      Are either of the underlying frameworks fully updated?  I have a tendency to doubt that, bearing in mind the mindset of the site itself.

      Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!
      We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.
      We were all once "Average Users".

      • #2370791

        Yes it’s fully up to date. I test first on a testing site and then deploy here.  WordPress is one of the most attacked web sites on the universe therefore I do not delay here.  I do risk based patching based on what I’m protecting.  This site has a very short window between code released and installed as a result.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2370816

      Isn’t it the time to chand the wording under the AskWoody logo from :

      News, tips, advice, support for Windows, Office, PCs & more

      To something like : News, tips, advice, support for OS platforms, Software, Hardware & More ?

    • #2370825

      Is it possible to limit the Recent Replies query to less than 100 entries? Might make it quicker.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2371179

      A bit off-topic — perhaps I should start a diff thread?

      I absolutely hate that the Web site template is not mobile responsive.  It’s my #1 complaint. [i.e. I really don’t have any important complaints — I’m a huge AskWoody fan and have been a paid Windows Secrets subscriber since its inception.]

      Is there anything that can be done to switch to a 2021-style template?  From a visual complexity point-of-view, the AskWoody site is not complex at all.  Shouldn’t be very hard to replace the theme and use a builder, unless there are issues that a fast glance at the code didn’t surface.  Happy to help out if I can — I use Elementor and, when forced to, Avada and Gutenberg.

      Once you move to a real development tool (even Gutenberg qualifies), sky’s the limit on easy enhancements, and they’re all at least minimally mobile responsive.

      Thanks!

      • #2371187

        It’s in the plans but everyone has to understand that there is a lot of complexity and custom items in the theme that means that there will be a lot of testing and planning before a change is made.  Throw in bbpress and bottom line, yes, we are planning this but it’s not going to happen tomorrow.

        It may not look visually complex, but it really is behind the scenes.

        You also realize that every time I make any sort of change I get tons of complaints 🙂

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2371194

          Thanks, Susan!

          My comments refer only to the low visual complexity!  The other back-end complexity (anything built on forum software is wickedly complex on the back end — I used to maintain a site built on YaBB, and I was always in the code hacking it ) should be easy to plug in however it is plugged in now.  That’s the beauty of modern builders — the visual details are handled for you, and the other stuff keeps working the way it always did.

          But, could be a dozen things I missed while poking around that would make me say “Oh, that might not be easy. Never mind.”

          Well, whether it’s eventually changed to engender tons of complaints (and my praise) or not, thanks for all that you do and for making sure that this treasure of a site keeps on humming!

          • #2371197

            We’re going to work on the contrast in the meantime.  The issue is that there’s some unique code to handle some of the back end stuff so we have to test/make sure nothing else broke/roll it out/realize that something did break and deal with it. 🙂  But for sure it’s on the priority list.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

            • #2371200

              Feel free to add me to your beta tester list if you’re shortstaffed.  If I’m going to complain about something, I s/be willing to help test the fix… 🙂

    • #2371491

      I’d like to see a link for “My favorite posts”. I don’t mean “my posts that are my favorite” here, although there’s nothing that would prohibit that. What I mean, in contrast, is “posts that are my favorites.”

      For example, there are posts that you’d like to keep track of because they all relate to the same subject, but they are posted in a myriad of topics. Many of these posts aren’t even your posts, but instead are those of others. And you might not have even posted alongside those who have posted in the topic. I don’t see any way to keep track of the posts themselves, except, perhaps by marking the topics as a “favorite” and then wading through the entire topic to find the post that you want to keep track of. And I don’t see any way, once at a topic, to search within the topic for a specific poster or a specific term to help you find what you are looking for.

      Let’s have a link for “favorite posts“!

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    • #2371635

      I’d like to see a link for “My favorite posts”. I don’t mean “my posts that are my favorite” here, although there’s nothing that would prohibit that. What I mean, in contrast, is “posts that are my favorites.”

      Capture-4

      ??? Not what you want??

      🍻

      Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #2371670

      No, because that is for Favorite Topic, which gives you the topic and all of its posts. But, there are only a few of the posts in a topic that are relevant to the subject I want to follow and there are other posts in other topics that are also relevant to the subject. “Favorite posts” would gather all of the posts together, no matter what topic it is in, and would only have the posts in the topics that are marked for “Favorite Post”

      • #2371720

        Arghhhh.  Didn’t realize I wasn’t logged in.  Reposting.

        I think the solution to WCHS’s problem is Evernote or a similar product.  It’s designed to do exactly what is wanted, and it provides way more flexibility than bulletin board software ever could.  I Evernote AskWoody newsletter content from almost every issue.

        The procedure is simple:

        1. Go the page.
        2. Use Evernote’s browser extension (“Web clipper”) to clip the page.  Several options are available, and all will also save the URL of the page.
        3. Tag the clip w/ something(s) meaningful to you.  I keep it simple (e.g. windows 10, sw util, covid-19, etc.), but some people make up complex taxonomies.  Ex: windows10.hardware.usb.askwoody, windows10.software.os.computerworld, etc.

        Note that the above can be as complex as you want to make it — Evernote’s feature set goes way beyond what I need.

        I have Fred Langa posts saved in Evernote that pre-date the existence of Windows Secrets Lounge, Windows Secrets, and even Evernote itself.

        • #2372177

          https://www.askwoody.com/forums/view/my-active-topics/

          Try also “My active topics” help?

          Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

          • #2372179

            What’s the definition of “active” there, as it includes topics with no posts for up to nine years?

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          • #2372180

            Super. It fills the bill.

            • #2372190

              What’s the definition of “active” there

              Yes, and what’s the definition of “Engagements” and “Replies Created” (both accessed by clicking on one’s avatar).

              There’s some overlap in the three, but I’m not sure how each is distinct. Definitions would help.

          • #2372196

            I just clicked on that “My active topics” link. It appears to list only topics that I have started.

            This is marginally useful, but it’s far cry from the “Recent Replies” list that was eliminated. The set of topics that a  user has started is far smaller than the set of topics that a user has participated in, which in turn is far smaller than the set of topics that a user might be monitoring, quietly or otherwise.

            The least inadequate substitute that I’ve found for Recent Replies is “New posts: Last day”, which tells you if there are new replies in current topics–presumably, new replies since the last time the user refreshed that page.

             

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            • #2372366

              As I’ve said before the recent replies code was not designed for a site of our size.  It’s frustrating to me to have to not be able to come up with a view that helps you, I’ll put a short cut to View: New posts: Last day @ AskWoody on the side.

              Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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      • #2371728

        I put favorite topics as a short cut in case that helps.  The issue is that any sorting by replies is very inefficient and causes a drag on the database.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2372369

          To find out what is going on, in general in this site and also in particular in some threads I am interested in, I use “New posts: last day”, or “New posts: Last three days”, depending on how far back I think I need to go, and to me that is quite enough. I am not sure how the alternatives may be more helpful.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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        • #2376457

          I put favorite topics as a short cut in case that helps.

          The link on the right for “My Favorite Topics” (under the “View The Forum” heading) doesn’t seem to be working.

          I was just now reading a topic started in December, 2020 and I decided to mark it as a “Favorite” by clicking on the “Favorite” link at the top of the 1st post under the topic. Then, I clicked on the “My Favorite Topics” on the right to see if it would now be on “My Favorite Topics” list, but it wasn’t there. In fact, nothing is there. I also clicked on my avatar and then clicked on the “Favorites” link there. Two topics came up (most recent posts were made some time ago), but the topic I just “favorited” is not there.

          I even logged out of AskWoody and logged back in to see if the “favorited topic” would appear. It didn’t.

          Or is there some lag time for the “favorited” topic to appear at the “My Favorite Topics” link?

    • #2376653

      I tried again today by marking the Dec 2020 topic as a “Favorite,” using the “Favorite” link above the first post of the topic (see screenshot 1). Now at my avatar at the “Favorites” link, the favorited topic is showing up (see screenshot 2).

      However, after clicking on the “My Favorite Topics” link under the “View the Forum” heading in the right panel (see screenshot 3), nothing shows up (see screenshot 4).

      Isn’t the “favorited” topic supposed to show up under the “My Favorite Topics” in the right panel??

    • #2379508

      Are suddenly all links, as well as the “N users thanked the author of this post” notices, gone all blue, from being brown since the beginning of time? Or is it just me? I have tried with two different browsers: Waterfox and Chrome, and in both all those things were blue instead of the usual brown.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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      • #2379518

        I see them blue too.

        Dell Latitude 3420, Intel Core i7 @ 2.8 GHz, 16GB RAM, W10 22H2 Enterprise

        HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

        PRUSA i3 MK3S+

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      • #2379538

        Blue here too.

        • #2379540

          All links seems to be “default style”. Looks like classes are put into comment..

          classes

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          HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

          PRUSA i3 MK3S+

      • #2379539

        If I’ve clicked on them (the links on the right and the link of the ‘thanked user’), they turn brown and stay that way.

        • #2379558

          WCHS: How do you that? It seems impossible. When one clicks on a link, that takes one to a different page, or to a different place in the same page. Either way, one cannot see the link anymore from there. When I did that, just now, after I returned to this page by clicking on the “back arrow” at the top of the browser window, I could see the link again and it was still blue.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2379574

            Here are the links before I clicked on “New Posts: Last Month” The link is blue.
            Pre-click-Search-for-Topics-list

            Here are the results after clicking on the link. I am at the “New Posts: Last Month” page.
            post-click

            Here is how it looks in the “Search for Topics” afterwards: Blue has changed to brown.
            Blue-changed-to-brown

      • #2379546

        We’re rolling out standard html link colors to signify clicked on links and unclicked.  It’s also designed for better contrast.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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      • #2379570

        Here is what I see:

        1. Unclicked links (i.e. not marked visited in the cache) are a shade of blue.
        2. Clicked links are a slightly diff shade of blue. [OscarCP: Hitting your browser’s back button might not display the visited color in all cases. Or, also possible: there isn’t enough contrast between the shades of blue and they look the same to you.]
        3. Hover color is brown.

        I def suggest more contrast between the visited and unvisited blues.  I’m on a 32″ high-res monitor and can barely see the diff w/ my old eyes…

        It’s also a best practice to make the visited, unvisited, and hover link colors a site-wide standard (absent a compelling design reason otherwise — I don’t see one?).

        Susan: as always, thank you for continuing to refine the UI and make your site even easier to use!

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        • #2379846

          It’s true, there’s not a perceptive contrast in color — especially between the hover color and the ‘previously clicked link’ color — at least, in Firefox on my monitor. The ‘clicked link’ blue color does stand out, though.

          color-of-links

    • #2379604

      This is browser-dependent!

      Using Waterfox “Current” (latest “G3” version), I just did the same thing that WCHS did, but I am still seeing all links in the same color of bright blue:

      Screen-Shot-2021-07-23-at-7.25.05-PM

      But using Chrome (and the same result with Safari):

      Screen-Shot-2021-07-23-at-7.35.36-PM

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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      • #2379610

        Ah.  Yep, you’ll always get a sub-standard user experience if you stray from vanilla Chrome, Firefox, Safari & Edge.

        I use Firefox with NoScript for a very secure, very frustrating browsing experience.  I have to switch to vanilla Chrome at least once per day and any time I need to use Developer tools.

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      • #2379635

        @oscarcp, curiously, tonight when I refreshed the “New Posts: Last day” page, all (most?) of the links were in brown like before. Then I noticed that I had been signed out of askwoody.com (hint: if the staff here want something real to fix, work on this random involuntary signing-out of AskWoody members). Once I signed back in (in the Pale Moon browser), the links were back to blue again!

         

    • #2379609

      It wasn’t broken so why all the “fixes?”

      I prefer the old over the new.

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      • #2379613

        It wasn’t broken so why all the “fixes?”

        To me, DriftDon’s is really the question that fits the occasion: why go to all the work and trouble of changing something that is just fine as it is, and that, as it happens to be the case here and now, sometimes results in something that works worse than it used to, at least for some of us (whose numbers may not be insignificant)?

        Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

        MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
        Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
        macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

        • #2379616

          Anyone who has ever used a forum with a good interface def finds this interface painful.

          The current template *is* broken and not mobile responsive.  I vote for change, and I thank everyone who is working on the UI!

    • #2379643

      hint: if the staff here want something real to fix, work on this random involuntary signing-out of AskWoody members

      It is not askwoody that signs you out. Its your browser’s cookies settings.

      • #2379691

        What browser setting in Pale Moon (a Firefox derivative) would cause one to get signed out from AskWoody.com, with no discernible pattern to the event?

         

        • #2379696

          Perhaps you had more than one tab open and AskWoody was in one of them. Then, perhaps you signed out from a site that was active in another one of those tabs and the sign out routine of that page included a string to delete cookies stored in the browser’s cache. That would then sign you out of AskWoody along with any other sites you may have been logged into at the time.

          Just a thought.

          Also, could you have gone into Pale Moon’s settings and through your own actions while in there, inadvertently deleted cookies stored in the cache?

          The login for AskWoody is definitely cookie-based. No cookie being set, no login. This behavior is in any browser, as pointed out by Alex just above.

      • #2379853

        I am using Firefox and I keep it updated. I get logged out of AskWoody in Firefox quite often, too; I don’t ever log myself out. It just happens. I always have 3 tabs open – and often more than that.

        I have thought that this was due to the fact that I had been inactive for some ordained time – no replies, no searches, no navigating — and so AskWoody kicked me off.

        I checked the FF permissions for the AskWoody site (click on the padlock next to the AskWoody URL, click on the arrow for “connection secure”, click ‘more information”, click on the ‘Permissions’ tab). It has ‘use default’ for the Set Cookies permission. I have no idea what the default is – can’t find that info anywhere.
        Set-Cookies-Use-default

        Since @Alex5723 says it’s the browser cookies settings that signs you out, I am going to change it to “Allow” to see if this will keep me logged in indefinitely, no matter whether I am or have been actively engaged with the site or have been inactively engaged with site over some period of time.

        I will report back if I find that I still get involuntarily logged out.

        My edit: I’ve just seen Susan’s post today 3:29 pm about WordPress updates, which may reset things so I will keep that in mind.

        But, if the web site itself has a cookie time out, does that mean that it’s impossible to remain logged in indefinitely, even if no WordPress updates have occurred?

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        • #2379859

          Firefox’s Storage Inspector can shed light on cookies. Procedure:

          1. Visit a page.
          2. <SHIFT> <F9>

          https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Storage_Inspector

          I forget how to do it in Chrome, but it’s equally easy.

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          • #2379864

            hmmm … it says my current AskWoody cookie expires in 3 days (down to the hour and minute from the time the site was last accessed).

            So, that means no indefinite logging in?

            • #2379865

              I have never had indefinite logins?  The default WordPress session length is 48 hours (assuming you keep your browser tab open), and checking the remember box gets you two weeks.

              I have never paid attention to how long AskWoody gives me, though?    Not more than two weeks, I’m pretty sure.

              None of my many WordPress sites allow non-privileged logged-in users, though, so I’m not up on the details for a site like AskWoody…

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        • #2379898

          I use Chrome and I am always logged-in unless I clear all cookies in Chrome.

    • #2379698

      My 1.5 cents:

      Sometime ago there was some discussion about AskWoody’s cookies causing problems, so I removed, several times, all of AskWody’s cookies and had no problem, afterwards, being logged out, as some are reporting here. So perhaps the reason was different then from what others have given here (“cookies”), if it happened at all that people were being logged out by something other than themselves, which I do not remember anyone complaining about, or mentioning it.

      And maybe this is still the case?

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2379708

      Perhaps you had more than one tab open and AskWoody was in one of them. Then, perhaps you signed out from a site that was active in another one of those tabs and the sign out routine of that page included a string to delete cookies stored in the browser’s cache. That would then sign you out of AskWoody along with any other sites you may have been logged into at the time.

      Just a thought.

      Also, could you have gone into Pale Moon’s settings and through your own actions while in there, inadvertently deleted cookies stored in the cache?

      The login for AskWoody is definitely cookie-based. No cookie being set, no login. This behavior is in any browser, as pointed out by Alex just above.

      Thanks, @bob99. I’ve thought about the various possibilities you listed and it doesn’t look like any of them is the case here.

      I never sign myself out of AskWoody.com. Matter of fact, invariably I’ll have multiple AskWoody.com tabs open at the same time (in addition to dozens of tabs from other sites), so Pale Moon is always open to something and never completely closed except when I’m rebooting. The only sites where I actually go through the process of signing out are banking/financial sites, and I don’t use this PC for those purposes.

      Regarding the possibility of my going into the PM cookie settings and clearing the cache, I can’t remember the last time I did that, if ever.  🙂

      One of the strangest things about this is that there seems to be no rhyme or reason for when I get signed out of this site. I’ll go for weeks operating normally, and then all of a sudden I’ll have to sign back in here, for no reason that I can see. This doesn’t happen on any other site where I have an account.

       

      • #2379839

        Since you say that you never log out of the site on your own by clicking the “Log Out” button(s), all I can think of, then, is that maybe the cookie or cookies existing in your browser might be considered outdated by the AskWoody servers at some point, which would then log you out of the site automatically.

        Time was, I remember being able to see the actual properties of the individual cookies stored by Firefox (and before that Netscape Communicator/Netscape Navigator). I seem to recall most of them having expiration dates but, IIRC, the dates were WELL into the future by many months to about a year into the future.

        As far as any situation with “stale” cookies goes with this site, I would think that either Susan, PK, or Kirsty would be able to shed any light on that particular theory, or debunk that theory in its entirety.

        Bottom line is, since you’re occasionally (and irritatingly) finding yourself logged out of this site without having logged your own self out by any of your own actions, then the only thing that remains is that somehow, the server isn’t reading the cookie that’s been set in your browser.

        An additional theory: Perhaps Pale Moon is having an undocumented issue with properly presenting the cookie to the site (or properly handling and keeping the cookie) after a certain amount of time, or having a hard time with the cookie(s) when you have more than a certain number of tabs open on this site simultaneously. Again, this is only a guess because I don’t use Pale Moon, I use Firefox on its Release Channel.

        EDIT: At this point, I feel that perhaps this part of the overall discussion (about using Pale Moon and being randomly and unwillingly logged off this site) should be carried over to a new thread, as it seems to me that we’re on the edge of getting off-topic.

         

        • This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by Bob99. Reason: Added EDIT paragraph
      • #2379843

        Keep in mind that while the web site itself has a cookie time out (I forget what it is, I’ll have to look it up), I just installed a WordPress update this week which will also reset things.  So if there’s changes on the back end that impact a part of the site, it may kick a re-log in.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2379710

      On a separate issue that I just noticed and, if maintained, would be a definite improvement to this site, is that even as long a thread as “Aren’t these the greatest performances of classical music?” now loads much faster than before.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2379844

        Shhh don’t jinx the technology gods.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2379741

      Well, the topic of this thread is the gift that keeps on giving!

      Now the “New Post: Last N days” page includes also two numbers: that of “voices” (people that, at some  time or another have commented on the issue of the thread) and that of comments added to the thread by a few, or by a lot of us.

      A moment ago, when I first saw this, the entries, in a new format, were be taking a lot of space for every single entry, with everything in the left column and blank lines in between the various parts of each entry, making these unnecessarily long. But now things have gone back to what they always have been, at two lines, with the usual left an right columns, per entry plus one blank line separating successive entries, except for those two numbers, now in two columns running down the middle of the page.

      I think this is a more informative format, but I would like to hear what others make of it before I come to a definitive conclusion.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2379881

        I seem to recall the topic being unintended log-off and how or if it is related to cookies. Now it seems color is the topic?

        • #2379887

          I assumed it is OK to be all over the place on this thread — since Susan is participating all over the place on it?

          • #2379890

            Topic drift is normal in tech 🙂

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

            • #2379892

              Been on forums since Usenet and CompuServe in the early 80’s.  I am frequently responsible for topic drift…  🙂

        • #2379888

          Isn’t the topic THE SIDE MENU, which is where logging in/off takes place and where links are found. Big topic.

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    • #2379856

      kewlputergeek, WCHS:

      When I hover over a link I do not see it as brown, but as reddish-orange.
      And I am not bothered by a lack of contrast in the blue links, to the contrary, I find these rather glaring and, furthermore, all of the same hue: no darker or lighter shades of blue.
      As I have also noted, this depends on the browser one is using.
      All of which, to me at least, makes the change to glaring blue from the calmer, friendlier and familiar all-brown links that looked the same regardless of browser, less of a helpful one than what, I imagine, was intended by the change-makers.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

      • #2379861

        OscarCP,

        Well, there are two different styles in use: one for the meat of the page, and one for the sidebar.

        I see what you see on the main part of the page.  On the sidebar, I see unvisited blue and visited blue-purple.  And, hover brown.  But, I’m old — if someone told me that visited blue-purple is actually a shade of brown or something else, I wouldn’t argue.

        For a good UX, the unvisited/visited/hover colors should all contrast well and match the scheme.  And, there should only be one set in use on both the main page and the sidebar unless there is a compelling reason to violate that rule.

        I always use a Web palette selector or phone a friend who has graphic design skills — my kids will tell you that I am not good at color selection…

        I’m sure you’re right about the change intentions.  Unfortunately, you are using a non-standard browser that no one is going to worry about while designing. [Same here, since I have NoScript installed w/ Firefox. But, CSS stuff on AskWoody will work fine for me.]

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        • #2379875

          kewlputergeek”Unfortunately, you are using a non-standard browser that no one is going to worry about while designing.

          The way things were before the very recent switch to blue, all-brown links worked with every browser and nobody that I ever noticed was asking for a change to blue.

          Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

          MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
          Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
          macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

          • #2379885

            “Worked” is a subjective term.

            This forum needs a bunch of tweaks to get the template up to current design standards.  Def count me as a vote for change and the opinion that it was broke and needs fixin’ to make it more usable.

            It’s a fail for visually impaired users, too — though it does better than I would have guessed:

            https://wave.webaim.org/report#/askwoody.com

            Custom templates are very difficult to work with — there will be some hits and misses along the way.

            As a fellow non-standard browser user, I feel your pain every day when stuff gets changed and doesn’t work right for me. That’s the price we pay for not using vanilla Chrome, Firefox, Edge, and Safari.  It’s unreasonable to expect site designers to code around a few fringe users.   As a site designer myself, I certainly don’t.

            I’m glad the AskWoody tech folks are looking for ways to make things better.  I’m sure I won’t like every single change, either…

            • #2379893

              kewlputergeerk: “It’s unreasonable to expect site designers to code around a few fringe users.

              My answer is that:

              (1) Having all links brown was working for everyone here and nobody I ever noticed was consistently complaining about that. Whether the browser used was marginal or had five stars in some obscure catalog, all-brown worked just fine with all browsers.

              (2) I never heard loud (or soft) wailings of despair coming from “developers”, whoever these might be, on account of having only brown links in AskWoody.

              (3) In this case, the site designers need not do anything about the way things were. No crowd was vociferously demonstrating in the streets demanding such a change. They chose to make it off their own bat, to “fix” a non-problem. And created, in the process, a previously inexistent  issue that, while not serious, is nevertheless an annoying one.

              Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

              MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
              Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
              macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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            • #2379894

              I guess your con vote and my pro vote cancel each other out, OscarCP.  We cast our votes — now we’ll see how the election turns out…

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          • #2379889

            Actually web designers recommend that you stay with the standards of blue.  People know that it’s the standard “click here”.  Please note this is a work in process and we’re not done yet.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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            • #2379891

              ‘Tis true. It’s never wrong to go with the early 90’s-era Mosaic standard from a usability perspective!

              But, people who are good w/ color palettes like to mix things up.  Depending on what they select for the rest of the theme, standard blue/purple may not look great…

              The underline becomes critical if a close-to-standard blue/purple isn’t used.

              You’re def on the right track here with the changes  — thank you.

            • #2380066

              And IIRC old age 🙄

              Topic drift is normal in tech 🙂

              BTW I had no problem with the prior colors, more aesthetically pleasing all told with the old version. For my part I have my PaleMoon browser setup for explicit link colors in some part.
              However tweak away Susan 😉

              🍻

              Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
    • #2379896

      Firefox’s Storage Inspector can shed light on cookies. Procedure:

      1. Visit a page.
      2. <SHIFT> <F9>

      https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Storage_Inspector

      I forget how to do it in Chrome, but it’s equally easy.

      The combination of <shift> + F9 didn’t do anything in Pale Moon, it was as if I hadn’t pressed any keys.

      However, the link you provided to the Mozilla developers’ page gave me enough clues to find what appears to be the desired list of cookie properties. The key combo in this case was Tools Menu –> Page Info –> Security –> View Cookies.

      Once there, I saw the cookies for the page containing this thread we’re reading. There is a total of 30 cookies (!), some of which expired in the past (!!), some “at end of session,” some in the next couple of days, and then three that expire on August 7, about two weeks from now. The time frame for these last ones seems to jibe, more or less, with my observations of how much time typically transpires before I have to sign back in to this site. I note that the names of two of these cookies begin with “wordpress_sec” and the third one starts with “wordpress_logged_in”.

      Maybe the solution to this mystery lies in those cookies.

      Anyway, I don’t want the thread to keep drifting off-topic even if Susan reassures us that that’s par for the course. 🙂

       

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    • #2379967

      Cybertooth: “Anyway, I don’t want the thread to keep drifting off-topic even if Susan reassures us that that’s par for the course.

      Actually this thread is about the changes, any changes, being introduced to the way AskWoody functions and that people believe are worth commenting on. To see why I am writing this, just go to the top, to the start of this thread, and scroll down to see what the comments are about. As the changes that people have been noticing and discusing have been several, so far, if you consider each to be a “topic”, then there have been several topics under discussion already, and cookies, for example, is just one of those. Any further changes that people may notice and find worth commenting about, logically speaking, also belong in this thread. That is why this is, by now, such a long thread. And Susan statement on “drift” is one way of describing this. So, as I see it, to be off topic here is NOT to comment on some recent change that merits a comment.

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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    • #2380179

      And here is another weird thing I just noticed that maybe is a new one, and maybe is an old one, but I had not seen this before, because it was just today that I changed the text that had been in my signature panel for nearly a year and a half with a new one. And for the very first time after making such a change, looking at some older postings I noticed that the new writing has replaced the old one in the panel all the way back to December 5 of 2017 at 7:59 PM Woody’s Central Standard Time, when I posted my first ever comment here. Given what the new text in my panel now says, it looks a bit odd and even contradictory there, considering that I was then writing about the issues I was having installing Windows 7 patches.

      (Aah, those were the days!)

      Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

      MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
      Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
      macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

    • #2380289

      The way forum software works under the hood, OscarCP:

      –Your profile db record holds your sig.

      –The post records hold the content of your posts.

      –When it’s time to paint your post on the screen, the post box is drawn from your current profile and the post text is dropped into the box.  So, your sig does not actually live in the post record (where it would waste bytes).

      I guess mixing the old and the new can make for an interesting dichotomy in some cases!

       

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    • #2667188

      I tried again today by marking the Dec 2020 topic as a “Favorite,” using the “Favorite” link above the first post of the topic (see screenshot 1). Now at my avatar at the “Favorites” link, the favorited topic is showing up (see screenshot 2). However, after clicking on the “My Favorite Topics” link under the “View the Forum” heading in the right panel (see screenshot 3), nothing shows up (see screenshot 4). Isn’t the “favorited” topic supposed to show up under the “My Favorite Topics” in the right panel??

      I am trying to tag (bookmark) a post  so I can refer back to it later (maybe months later). I found this post in an old thread from 2021 that appears to have the same issues that I am experiencing — “My Favorite Topics” does not contain my favorites (topics or replies).

      Did I miss the reply that clarified the OP questions? If so can someone point me to the solution — How do I “bookmark” a post or reply to be able to find it later?

      THX

       

      • #2667199

        Clicking “Favorite” at the top marks the Topic (not an individual post) as Favorite. You have to open the Topic and scroll down to the post.
        If the “Favorites” link on the main page doesn’t work, to see your Favorites (you have to be logged in), right click on your ID below your Avatar. It will take you to your Profile. Click on the blue “Heart” in the bar under your Avatar.

        You can bookmark a specific post by right clicking on the post # at the top right of the post and choosing “Copy link,” then paste the link into a bookmark/Notepad/doc. It will look like this:

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/doing-a-bit-of-re-organizing/#post-2667188

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