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PKCano wrote:

The “Removing Built in Apps” thread is still valid – for both Win10 and Win11.

Where is this thread? I’ve tried a Search (with and without the quotes about the name), and nothing comes up.

In Apps and features, there are two entries, one for ‘Outlook (new)’ – version 1.2025.205.100 and the other for ‘Mail and Calendar’ – version 160005.14326.22301.0, both of which I updated yesterday. But in MS-Store, there are listed two recently updated apps, ‘Outlook for Windows’ and ‘Mail and Calendar’. In this situation, are ‘Outlook (new)’ and ‘Outlook for Windows’ two names for the same thing?

If so, why is there this difference in names?

b wrote:

Mail and Calendar both open Outlook (new) now.

Yes, for me, too, i.e., ‘Mail’ and ‘Calendar’, not ‘Mail and Calendar’

WCHS wrote:

So it looks as if this stand-alone ‘Outlook (new)’(aka ‘Outlook for Windows’) is making progress (no pun intended). It’s got all of my AT&T/Yahoo! mail (as it did before) and it’s got the same calendar entries as my AT&T/Yahoo mail (as it did not before).

I do have one complaint. I’m not sure that it’s an Outlook (new) problem though.

When I click on the time/date on the Taskbar, a calendar comes up, with a focus on ‘Today.’ The list/agenda there is devoid of many of the events that Outlook (new) lists in its calendar.

At Settings>Privacy> Calendar (under the ‘App permissions’ heading)> Choose which apps can access your calendar, ‘Mail and Calendar’ is listed there. But, ‘Mail and Calendar’ is no longer THE app; it’s Outlook (new) now. This might explain the meager list of events in the agenda under time/date on the Taskbar — wrong app is specified.

b wrote:

What’s wrong with the Calendar in Outlook (New)?

Nothing, now, as far as I can tell. I don’t use any of those features that are the focus of “8 super annoying, deal breaker problems with New Outlook calendar”.

I am Win10/Pro 22H2. I haven’t done the February patches yet. I have MS Office Home and Student 2016 (therefore, I have never had Outlook (classic)). Both the native (free) ‘Mail and Calendar’ app{until today} and the stand-alone ‘Outlook (new)’, are listed in Apps and features. {I got ‘Outlook (new)’ when I took the offer in ‘Mail and Calendar’ in March, 2024 to try it.} My email provider is Bellsouth, an AT&T subsidiary, which contracts with Yahoo! for the email service.

Up until today, the ‘Mail and Calendar’ app and ‘Outlook (new) were listed in the Start Menu app list. The two would also come up in a flyout when I typed ‘Mail and Calendar’ or ‘Outlook (new)’ in the Taskbar search box. In both cases, I would get Outlook (new). The mail matched my AT&T/Yahoo! mail. The calendar was never up-to-date – always an older rendition of my Yahoo! calendar.

In addition, ‘Mail and Calendar’ would appear in my library at MS-Store and I could update it there. ‘Outlook (new)’ would not be listed in MS-Store. It would be updated via the monthly Tuesday patches.

Now today Feb 14 things are different. ‘Mail and Calendar’ is not listed in the Start Menu app list anymore and nothing comes up when I type ‘Mail and Calendar’ in Taskbar search. However, it is still listed in MS-Stores, and it can be updated there. Unlike yesterday, Outlook (new) is there now and can be updated there, too. I updated them both; as a result, in Apps and features, they both have today’s date.

Now that ‘Mail and Calendar’ is gone from the Start Menu app list, there is, instead a ‘Mail’ entry and a ‘Calendar’ entry. And typing ‘Mail’ or ‘Calendar’ separately in Taskbar search will bring up a flyout with a generic icon for it. Clicking on the icon will bring up Outlook (new), no matter whether ‘Mail’ or ‘Calendar’ is requested.

When Outlook (new) comes up now, there are two separate icons on the left, one for ‘mail’ and the other for ‘calendar’. {this might have also been the case before … I just started paying attention to it today}. If I click on the ‘mail’ icon, I get a ribbon for mail and I can see my AT&T/Yahoo! email. If I click on the ‘calendar’ icon, I get a ribbon for calendars and I can see my Yahoo! calendar. All of my events are there. (different than yesterday when the calendar was an older rendition of my Yahoo! calendar.)

So it looks as if this stand-alone ‘Outlook (new)’(aka ‘Outlook for Windows’) is making progress (no pun intended). It’s got all of my AT&T/Yahoo! mail (as it did before) and it’s got the same calendar entries as my AT&T/Yahoo mail (as it did not before).

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Hi @lmacri and @wsdrcard,
I found most of what I was looking for in your replies. It looks like Outlook (new) happened to me almost a year ago, when I took the offer from Mail and Calendar to try Outlook (new). I think at one time I could go back to Mail and Calendar (is that what Outlook (classic) is – the old Mail and Calendar? – from what I can tell, the two names seem to be referring to the same thing). Now that Mail and Calendar (aka Outlook (classic)?) has not been an option for some time, I guess you could say that am/was/have been fully “migrated.” — the upshot of which is that the February CU will see that I have Outlook (new) already and will skip that part of the patch. Before your explanation here, I thought I would be getting an Outlook (newer), unless I took some preventative action.

I’ll go with the flow and see if, in time, it gets more useful.

Thanks for the info on how to subvert MS’s plan to keep me with Outlook (new), should I find that improved usefulness doesn’t happen.

I am Win10/Pro 22H2. I have a perpetual license for Office Home and Student 2016 which works on one laptop that logs on with my MS-Account ID. I have Office Home and Student 2019 on the other, which logs in locally. I have nothing on either system for Microsoft 365.

My email provider is an AT&T subsidiary, Bellsouth.net, which contracts with Yahoo! to provide email service. I used to use the Mail and Calendar app on my laptops quite often, mostly for the Calendar part. which brought up everything on my Yahoo! calendar and notified me when events were due. I never used Mail and Calendar to create new events – I just used it to keep me informed of what I had entered in the Yahoo! calendar via my Bellsouth.net email account. It worked very well. But, later, the Calendar was always out of date – didn’t seem to keep up with new events that I had added or removed. So, I just let Mail and Calendar lie. However, when I opened Mail and Calendar in March 2024, I found an invitation to try Outlook (new). So, up through the January, ‘25 patches, I have listed in Apps and features, Outlook (new) currently with a date of 02/09/2025 (the date I installed the January patches). And Mail and Calendar with a date of 01/14/2025 (the date on which I last updated it via Microsoft Store) is also listed. Whenever I enter ‘Mail and Calendar’ in Taskbar Search, I get Outlook (new), but I expected that since Mail and Calendar has been permanently replaced with Outlook (new).

Outlook (new) syncs with my email. I’ve never used it to create and send e-mail. I just use it to check on what’s in my Bellsouth.net email. And with every Tuesday patch that I’ve done since March 2024, there’s a new date for Outlook (new) in Apps and features. But, it’s always been working for my purposes.

I feel like I need a basic primer on Outlook to understand from the get-go just what THIS February Outlook (new) is and how it is different from past Outlook (new)s in order to ask any questions about it and to decide whether to stay with the flow or to put a block on it.

But, to start out, my questions are this:
1) Why are AskWoody users using the registry code to block it in advance of the February patches? This is probably the most important question.
2) If I let the February patches do their thing, I will have this new Outlook (new). If I find that it isn’t working like the previous Outlook (new), can I then run the registry code to block this new Outlook (new) from future patches? (or is the horse already out of the barn?)
3) If I find that it’s not working and I decide that I’m done with Outlook (new) in any shape or form entirely, is there some way that I can remove it and be rid of it forever?

I updated my iPad, too – a Air 5, but it left Apple Intelligence off. The only toggle I find myself checking after an update is Bluetooth. I want it to remain off so that it doesn’t interfere with the Bluetooth on my older iPad, which I use more frequently, but I can always count on its having changed to ON after an update.

There is no OneDrive listed under my personalfolder name. There was at one time, but I removed it somehow (breaking the link, removing it, disabling it — I don’t remember how) , so it’s not there any longer. I guess that means that I could save a file in some folder somewhere on my PC?

WCHS wrote:

I asked Copilot (“Why should I sign in to Copilot?”):

Isn’t there a difference between “signing into Copilot” and “signing into your MS Account”? I can ask Copilot a question and it answers back, so it appears that I am “signed-in” there. But, I think the icon in the upper right-hand corner is for signing into your account. Basically, the question is trying to get at the connection (if any) between being able to use Copilot and being signed into your account.

WCHS wrote:

I’ve read the Ben Myers article,

@lmacri
I see that you asked how one gets around saving to OneDrive, but I don’t see an answer. Did you figure that out?

lmacri wrote:

It’s more than a glorified Help app….

I don’t subscribe to Microsoft 365. My Word and Excel come from a C2R/Retail version of Microsoft Office. I don’t have the Microsoft 365 Copilot app in my Start Menu. I have the Copilot (a.k.a. Copilot for Windows) app, instead. When I click on that, I get the same screen you did – it has the title “Copilot – Microsoft Copilot: Your AI Companion” with the Copilot icon, not the Microsoft 365 Copilot icon. I typed in the same message and got an answer, probably the same one you did. So, now I see how Copilot (for Windows) works.

Why would one click on the Sign-in in the upper right-hand corner? [At first, I thought you had to sign-in to get the AI Companion to work.] I’ve read the Ben Myers article, but I don’t yet see the connection between Copilot and the Microsoft-365-for- the-Web app.

Susan Bradley wrote:

Only in consumer versions -so if you don’t see that option you aren’t running a consumer version.

Is a “consumer” version that same thing as a “retail” version? I have a CTR Retail version of Word (Word 2016 and Word 2019) and I don’t see a “Copilot” option.

lmacri wrote:

The only obvious change I’ve noticed in my settings or Start menu is that the Copilot for Windows app described in the 25-Mar-2024 ghacks.net article Microsoft Copilot App Getting Installed on Windows Devices was finally delivered. I don’t want to uninstall it from Settings | Apps | Apps and Features (yet?) but I didn’t want the icon on my taskbar so I simply unpinned the icon as shown below.

P.S. This quote is about Copilot that was delivered in the Win 10 22H2 Nov,’24 patches. I’ve seen it called ‘Copilot for Windows’, ‘Windows Copilot’, and simply ‘Copilot’. [In Apps and features and in Start’s App menu, it’s listed as ‘Copilot’.]

@lmacri,
Have you initiated this app yet? What does it do? From what I understand, it’s glorified ‘Help,’ in that it answers queries about the version of Windows on your system. For example, it might answer the question “how do I change the time zone?” or “How do I turn on Airplane mode?” Is that right? Or does it do more than this — for example, answer the question “What can you tell me about the 23rd president of the United States?”

Adding to my decision to push MS-DEFCON all the way to level 1 is that the February updates will include several annoyances, including the installation of Outlook (new).

I am Win10/Pro 22H2. I am confused by this news about Outlook (new). I have had Outlook (new) since March, 2024. Why have I had it for nearly a year now, while others are going to get it for the first time with the February patches?

P.S. I know that one poster said “let’s limit the discussion to the push to Win 11 24H2”, but Susan’s alert in the Consumer section is about Outlook (new), too.

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