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AskWoody PlusAt least twice a year we give our normal authors a break and do special bonus articles just for those that are plus members. You can donate as little as $6 for the entire year and get these bonus issues. We’re planning another one later on this year.
Plan now.
You also miss out on all of the OTHER articles that are in the plus edition.
I’m a bit confused. Is this announcement intended to prompt joining (money very well spent, BTW) or are you announcing something extra?
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AskWoody Plusbut I’ve found people generally become maniacally resistant to any change to what they’ve become used to.
It’s not just a matter of being used to something; it’s also a matter of the something else not being capable of doing the work. QuickBooks Online is the textbook case for this. Intuit states publicly that the online version does not have all the functionality of the installed version, yet they continue to flog it anyway. I have two clients who drank the Kool-Aid and tried QB online. Both reverted to QB desktop for a variety of reasons.
It’s telling that, while Intuit has stopped selling new licenses for the desktop program (except for QB Enterprise), it continues to support current users via subscription.
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AskWoody PlusOne more thing for the gone-and-good-riddance pile: serial interfaces. Between modems and serial printers, the serial interface was the electronic equivalent of dip switches or even jumpers.
The best thing about high-speed internet is the demise of the dial-up modem!
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AskWoody PlusI have two clients who tried mightily to convert from QuickBooks Desktop Pro to QuickBooks Online. Both of them reverted to the desktop product. In both cases, the online offering did not provide all the functionality of the desktop product, and both clients made use of some of the missing functions.
Also, data migration was a disaster. One client whose company file was big but well within the specs for migration could not get a clean migration. The process would run for a while and simply stop, despite our repeatedly following the migration checklist to the letter. After multiple calls, QuickBooks undertook to migrate the company, but even that was not totally successful. The client went back to QuickBooks Desktop and intends to stay there for as long as possible. (Intuit is not selling new QB-D licenses, but it so far is allowing renewals of existing ones.)
The other client also reverted to the desktop version, but has access to a QuickBooks Enterprise installation. That product is not going online, for the moment at least, and she’s had me move the company file from Desktop Pro to Enterprise.
Personally, I was about to jump from Quicken to something else some time ago, but that was about the time all the “something elses” went away.
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AskWoody PlusI’m still not 100% positive myself. I’m reaching out to folks at MS about this because the value is making me scratch my head.
I added this key by hand following the directions in https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365-apps/outlook/get-started/control-install#block-new-outlook-preinstall-on-windows
When I exported the UScheduler_Oobe key, this is what I got (after removing the unrelated subkeys keys)
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsUpdate\Orchestrator\UScheduler_Oobe]
“BlockedOobeUpdaters”=”[\”MS_Outlook\”]”=============================================================
When I ran this .reg file on a couple of Windows 10 PCs. the key and value showed in the machines’ registries as the article said it should appear.
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AskWoody PlusBut that’s okay. Just because Outlook (new) is on your machine doesn’t mean you have to use it. There are plenty of other email clients out there to which you can choose to route your email traffic and away from Microsoft’s surveillance.
The point is that most folks don’t want a different email client; they want the Outlook that they bought and that they have used for years. They want the flexibility that comes from having the same program (more or less) on their computers, their phones, their tablets and in their browsers.
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AskWoody PlusYes, they are adding Outlook (new) to Win10 and doing it in a sneaky way.
Using a ‘security update’ to add non-security software makes it more difficult for people and organizations to avoid Outlook (new).
It debases the importance of security updates by making them another way to add software to suit Microsoft’s agenda.
https://office-watch.com/2025/new-outlook-coming-to-windows-10-like-it-or-not/
Peter Deegan
Office-Watch.comIf anyone needed any proof that “new” Outlook is not ready for prime time (or even late-night infomercials), Microsoft’s full-court press to force the program onto Windows computers and force replacement of “real” Outlook is it.
It is also proof positive that Microsft does not give a rat’s rump about its customers.
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AskWoody PlusWell unfortunately MHCLV941, I’m still confused.
The key has to be created and is not there until you create it. For many this is scary and creating a key manually can be daunting. You can download the attached HideTryOutlook.reg. Right click and select Merge. OK the UAC window and Ok the warning about making registry changes. It will display a message that the key was added successfully to the Registry and you can open the Registry and see that it has been added. If Outlook was open when the key was added, you will need to close and reopen for the change to take effect.
Well said.
For Alys:
Mucking around with the registry is indeed not for everyone. My sincere congratulations on recognizing when you’re about to get over your head and the wisdom to stop. The .reg file that Drcard:)) created for you is what was in my initial post; my mistake, for which I apologize, was presuming you recognized it for what it is.
If your employer were either in favor of new Outlook, or dead set against it, they can set the group policy accordingly and you’ll pretty much be stuck with their decision. What it does is simply turn off the nag. It’s not much different than changing a color or font size. It’s just harder to do.
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AskWoody PlusI am running Microsoft 365 Apps for enterprise (including Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook-classic, OneNote, Publisher, and Access) on a Windows 10 Pro OS held at Version 22H2 by a policy. I have Admin privileges on this machine and (working from a Standard Account) opened Regedit, running it as an administrator. I tried to follow your directions for hiding the “Try the new Outlook” Button and for preventing me from being upgraded to the New Outlook (I use .PST files extensively). I could not see the branches (specifically Outlook) you listed in the Registry Tree under 16.0. What can I do now?
Thanks, Alys
I had the same problem – you can’t find them because they don’t exist. As others have pointed out, they are set by the Outlook group policy ADMX. You can’t create them manually for a regular user due to a lack of permissions and lack of permissions to change permissions. Running regedit as Administrator does not work because, while you can create and set the keys, you are doing so for the Adminsitator which is the HKEY_CURRENT_USER while you’re running as such.
I suppose you could figure out which hive belongs to your normal account, load it using Load Hive under HKEY_USERS, add the keys and them unload the hive. However, I’ve tried doing so with other keys and they’ve not worked.
The one key that does work is the one to turn off the nag about changing to new Outlook. If I recall, you still have to create the key itself, but nothing above it.
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General]
“HideNewOutlookToggle”=dword:00000001=======================================================
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AskWoody PlusPC Mag or ZD Net published this a while back. It’s what you said but in a conveniently formatted .reg file.
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}]
@=””[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32]
@=””———————————————————————————–
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AskWoody PlusI say this is anti-c0mpetitive because Microsoft is both an OS and applications company. It has incentives to use one to push the other. …
Both Microsoft and Apple are striving to reduce competition so they can lock people and businesses into their system. That is the very definition of anti-competitive.
If so, Apple is FAR ahead of Microsoft as it also has 100% total control over the hardware that runs all of its products. Apple did license its OS quite some time ago but summarily killed the program because it resulted in competitive machines – and summarily killed the companies that had paid Apple for the licenses along with it.
Aside from the Surface laptops, which are a very tiny part of the Windows ecosystem, Microsoft does not make computers, phones, tablets, earbuds, watches, TVs or any other hardware with any processing power.
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AskWoody PlusYou are using win 11 if I am not mistaken, when was the last time you used win 10? And yes, Microsoft does do this, they have been doing this for years, it was their way to get you to buy a new PC. it is a fact. And this is not a conspiracy theory, it is a fact.
Says every conspiracy theorist about every conspiracy ever invented
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AskWoody PlusLance says “The Taskbar is less flexible and customizable than its Windows 10 counterpart”.
Certainly true, but StartAllBack helps a lot. That was the tiebreaker for me between it and Start11.
Start menu replacements are fine for one’s own computer, perhaps for the computer in the house. However, using one robs one of the experience needed when working on clients’ computers. Tweaking client computers with one’s personal favorite start menu replacement really is not an option.
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AskWoody PlusHave some pity for those of us who have to get new machines or have clients who do. Dell, for example, is shipping machines with 24H2 installed. So far, my clients have not encountered any noticeable problems, but there’s always tomorrow.
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AskWoody PlusI am a senior citizen, living on a fixed income, with a PC that cannot upgrade to Windows 11 due to many incompatibilities. Buying a new PC is not something in the budget so my Windows 10 desktop will have to chug along until it becomes problematic with usage.
I sure understand your point and I agree completely. However, there are ways to keep a current OS besides “buying a new computer”.
Odds are your current computer will run Linux. Yeah, that song has been sung for years and a Linux installation is still not safe for a complete novice (though installing Windows isn’t either). If you use web-based email and other things that run in a browser, this could work for you. And you might find someone from church or other social group or senior center who would do the installation and setup as a service to you.
There are also ways to get a new or “new” computer that comes with Windows 11 for less than you might think.
Refurbished/off-lease enterprise-grade PCs (I have had great luck with Dell Optiplex machines) that come with Windows 11 are available for $300-$400. Remember, you already have a mouse, keyboard, monitor – you don’t need to buy new ones.
Lastly, there are “mini” PCs that are under $200. Take a look at https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CCDL6VS3.
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