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AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris: many thanks for your feedback.
It’s interesting that you should mention kernels. When I 1st did a Mint bare metal installation, I upgraded the kernel a couple of times when suggested by the Update Manager, and both times there were issues so I reverted back to the previous version via the Advanced options in Grub. But it left me a bit of an aversion to kernel updates – unreasonably so, I know.
Just a quick sidetrack. My wife’s Lenovo Yoga with 2 GB RAM and a 32 GB eMMC card and Win 8.1 installed had a much better battery life than mine, although I have to say she only uses it for browsing and emailing. Then Win 8.1 gave the ghost, could not be revitalised, so we almost ditched, till it struck me to wipe Windows and install Linux. And that worked, with continued good battery life.
But here’s the issue. It had a funny scrolling jumping behaviour in the browser, and trying another browser, nor changing Synaptic settings changed anything. So, choose another distro, but no other Ubuntu-based distro detected the eMMC card, only the distro I had installed originally: AntiX. Now someone on another forum is helping me get rid of AntiX with an unconventional method since regular methods did not work. And 1 of the things he made me do is install Mint to a flash drive and update the kernel to the latest stable release using UKUU.
We have not managed to get Mint booting yet, though the Grub menu shows it now. I’ll be interested to see how Mint will affect battery life. The reason I choose Mint is because of its rock solid stability. I have been very happy with it since Oct 2018, and every time I experiment with another distro my appreciation for Mint rises. Remember: I am a beginner newbie Linux user.
BTW, your kernel version is supported till Feb 2020 only.
1x Linux Mint 19.1 | 1x Linux antiX
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AskWoody Lounger@EK: I commented about all of my actions to improve battery life, and what I achieved in a reply to Ascaris – see #1896673.
I want to thank you for your help too.
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AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris: just to wrap up the issue of battery life, this is what I have come up with.
As I said above, changing the setting from the Nvidia GPU to the embedded Intel graphics chip, in combination with some TLP fine-tuning (don’t know if it did anything), improved battery life by 30 minutes.I had noticed, however, that even though I had changed to Intel in the Nvidia settings, the Nvidia GPU was still running in the background, consuming power. So, following advice I picked up elsewhere, I changed the BIOS setting to Intel, and that yielded another hour, giving me a total battery life of 3.5 hours, an improvement of 75%. Many people would still be very unhappy with 3.5 hours, esp. when one considers that that is with a relatively light load of apps open. Still, I think I have maxed out what is possible and will have to accept this.
I want to thank you and EK for your suggestions and helping me improve battery life.
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AskWoody LoungerThanks for your detailed answer @Ascaris. I was not trying to sell Vivaldi, I don’t even use it myself. It’s just that in my mind it is the most customisable browser after Firefox, but I was wrong and you set me right on that.
I was using Firefox quite happily, I also like the userChrome.css functionality. But their recent antics made me wonder if I should stick with it – privacy is important to me, though not to the extreme of Tor. I don’t need the type of customisation you do; I have been using Iridium for a couple of weeks to see what it’s like. I tried Waterfox in the past but think that the dev will not be able to keep on the track with legacy extensions, although I did miss them when I decided to go back to Firefox.
Anyway, bottom line: horses for courses.
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris re Waterfox: you like it because it customisable as a Firefox fork. Vivaldi is even more customisable, though it’s a Chromium fork.
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AskWoody LoungerSlimbook is another possibility of a solidly built laptop (aluminium frame), OS=Linux (Windows at a premium !), and you can compose it yourself. The prices are good. Can only be ordered online, shipping worldwide.
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris: I am not handling a reply with quotes too well, my apologies. My reply is #1892992.
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AskWoody LoungerIf your laptop has dual GPUs (Intel integrated and nVidia discrete), the battery life should improve a lot if you disable the nVidia when you’re not using the extra performance it provides. If you have an icon in the system tray (which it should in Mint on an Optimus/Prime model), you should be able to turn off the nVidia GPU using that.
That’s right, it has both, so, following your suggestion, I switched to the Intel GPU using the icon in the system tray.
I’ve never tried to use the Nouveau driver with my G3 (which has this type of dual GPU setup), as its performance is poor compared to the nVidia driver (and I didn’t buy the gaming laptop to not have good performance), so I don’t know how well it works with the dual GPU setup.
When I booted the computer for the 1st after installing Mint, I had a problem with the cursor freezing, and I could not work out why. I uninstalled/reinstalled about 3 times without any change. Then I thought (boy, those newbie brainwaves !!) let’s have a look at the drivers, and in the window that opened up there was the Nouveau driver marked as active, and the Nvidia driver was recommended. I switched to the latter, and …. cursor problem disappeared. Boy, was I proud of myself
BTW, am I right to assume I don’t have to switch back to the Nouveau driver?
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AskWoody Lounger@ek: thanks for your research. I feel a bit more nervous about throttling because I don’t quite understand it.
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AskWoody Lounger@ek: many thanks for that. No, I did not know about TLPUI, I kept struggling with the app through the terminal. I downloaded and installed TLPUI immediately.
Thanks also for the file with your settings; I ‘ll have a look how I can use that
Sometimes it seems this “Linux forum” is more useful than specialised ones.
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody Lounger@mn: just out of interest: which settings do you adjust and to what values?
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris: good to hear from you again, it’s been a while.
Many thanks for your help. Let me answer 1 or 2 issues you raised.
I installed Powertop 2.9 with Synaptic. Toggling through the various pages does not mean much to me, but when I got to the Tunables (on battery) I was glad to have your comments. I had 7 lines showing “bad”, 5 of which relating to “enable SATA link power management for host 0, 1, 2, 3, 4”. I toggles all of those to “good”. The other one was “VM writeback timeout”, even though I do not have a VM set-up. I toggled it to “good”. The last one was something about Nvidia (I have a Nvidia card), but after I toggled it to “good”, toggled through the other pages again then back to Tunables, the Nvidia line was gone.
As for my system: Mint 19.1 XFCE (I deleted Win 10), always haven a browser open (Firefox or Iridium), File Manager, Typora (a Markdown app), 1 or max 2 spreadsheets, Liferea (RSS feed reader), Autokey, Redshift, Battery Monitor, backlight at 38%. No heavy stuff at all. I have also set the native Mint power settings as best as I could – hence the backlight.
As for kernels, I don’t touch them because I am scared stiff to bork my machine. It is running well, and very stable. I have tried some other distros on the side, and with each one my appreciation for Mint rises. The only reason I look at others is because I want to ultimately have a rolling release, but that’s another story.
Regarding power management, I am not going into a sophisticated benchmark exercise, I just base myself on a subjective impression. I know that can be dangerous, but I am not worried about 30 minutes or even 1 hour. To me a battery life of 2 hours is far too low considering I don’t do anything particularly taxing. 6-7 hours seems to be an average for many people, so I would be happy if I could get to 4-5 hours; alright, even 3.5-4 hours would be a pleasing improvement for me.
Anyway, I am going to monitor it to see if there is a difference. BTW, sudo tlp-stat -s tells me TLP is running, although you said it might not be working. Hmmm.
1x Linux Mint 19.1 | 1x Linux antiX
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AskWoody Lounger@Ascaris: I am interested in the TLP settings to increase battery life. I have a terrible 2 hours on my new Lenovo, as I explained in my comment (#1890579) to ek. I asked him/her for the settings that can extend that life.
I would also like to ask you as an MVP because I left the TLP default settings since I am not sure about them.
1x Linux Mint 19.1 | 1x Linux antiX
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody Lounger@ek: that’s interesting what you wrote about TLP. A couple of months ago I bought a Lenovo laptop with Win 10 pre-installed, which I deleted during the installation of Mint 19.1. I also installed TLP and left the default settings. I have not seen any improvement in battery life, which is a terrible 2 hours !! despite people saying TLP is fantastic – you confirmed it.
Would you care to share what settings you tuned to bump up battery life?
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