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FWIW – from posts I see on Reddit, it appears that the “switch to old Yahoo mail” was added to Settings of “New Yahoo Mail” roughly 3 weeks ago replacing “switch to basic mail”.

I really hope it sticks – would hate to lose old Classic Yahoo mail again now that we have it back.

Not sure what to make of how the option to switch back was silently snuck in without fanfare. But still, is the best move Yahoo could have made by far for long time Yahoo mail users. I hated every moment of their “New Yahoo Mail”.

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WSraysig, Cybertooth

Back in early February 2025, I had my beloved Classic Yahoo Mail forcibly switched to the dreadful “New Yahoo Mail” without my being given the option to switch back. Although “New Yahoo Mail” settings had an option to switch to “basic mail”, my understanding was that “basic mail” lacked some functionality of my beloved “Classic Yahoo Mail”.

Every now and then I would glance at Settings in “New Yahoo Mail” to see if any customization options added.

My surprise just now was seeing in “New Yahoo Mail” Settings that there was now a “Switch to old Yahoo mail” in place of what had been “Switch to basic Yahoo mail” (a subtle change to wording).

So I clicked on the “Switch to old Yahoo mail” and have been returned to my beloved “Classic Yahoo Mail” as it had been just prior to “New Yahoo Mail”.

If anyone is using “New Yahoo Mail” and wishing they had the old “Classic Yahoo Mail” back, check in Settings (click the 3 dots to access Settings in New Yahoo Mail”).

Not sure if my reversion is temporary and whether I may be forced back to “New Yahoo Mail”, but the subtle change in Settings has made me pretty happy for now.

As a side note, now that I am back in old “Classic Yahoo Mail”, the Settings in old “Classic Yahoo Mail” is showing an option to switch to basic mail reinforcing to me that basic mail was never the same as classic mail.

I am pretty sure most feedback on “New Yahoo Mail” had been negative so maybe Yahoo  finally gave a “go back” option. Who knows?

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WSraysig, Cybertooth

I also once got caught mistakenly thinking I could use an older Macrium Reflect Rescue USB to boot a new Windows 11 PC to create a system image before beginning initial setup. The goal had been to have a system image as it came from the manufacturer. The older Macrium Reflect Rescue USB appeared to be missing one or more drivers for the newer hardware.

That got me thinking that perhaps there may be an exposure should a Rescue USB unexpectedly become unusable for whatever reason and a spare might be useful. I began wondering whether having a duplicate of each Rescue USB would be desirable to deal with Murphy’s Law.

In my case – setting up a new PC – I proceeded without the initial system image and installed Macrium Reflect first thing after completing setup and made the Rescue USB and then system image.

Is making duplicate Rescue USBs overly paranoid?

If one has Macrium to make the image backup, doesn’t Macrium also have a function to attempt to repair boot problems (I guess the emphasis is on “attempt”)? Have never tried it, so this suggestion may not be appropriate. Still…

 

mledman wrote:

click the three dots (…). Click settings, then basic mail

For Yahoo, it seems that the choice is between New Yahoo Mail or basic Yahoo mail.

Not clear to me at this moment what is lost by switching to basic mail. For instance, in my Yahoo mail I have filters set up to direct some mail to folders, but I read that basic does not have that functionality. That, by itself, would probably not be a big loss, but it gives me pause to research and experiment what else may be lost with a switch to basic. Likely basic is OK, but want to see what ramifications it may carry.

Right now, I am in the midst of income tax preparation so do not want the Yahoo change to divide my attention. Income taxes are my priority.

The Yahoo mail change is just really bad timing for me. Have decades using Yahoo mail. For now, all in due time.

Howl of anguish as I was switched to New Yahoo Mail with no option presented to switch back to the way it was. The appearance of New Yahoo Mail makes me think it was designed for smartphone users and not desktop web browser users. The reason I think that is the condensed folder list in the left pane.

As a matter of fact, that condensed folder list reminds me exactly how Windows 11 condensed the right click context menu. In New Yahoo Mail, you must click 3 dots to see more. I can’t remember exactly now, but the analogous Windows 11 right click context menu makes you click something (show more?) to see the rest of the right click actions.

At least in Windows 11, there is a registry hack to return the appearance of the full right click context menu.

Alas, Yahoo offers no customization in New Yahoo Mail to get the full left pane folder list back – makes you click on those 3 stupid dots. That would be so simple and is so obvious. Let New Yahoo Mail users customize what folders appear in left folder pane via settings.

Great follow-up detail. So not only does Group Policy state remain as “Enabled”, but the TRV values still appear in the Group Policy even though the registry values get deleted.

EricB wrote:

the reversion will NOT be reflected in the group policy editor user interface

Great point on that nuance. I was just about to ask that exact question.

In other words, when “Release Control” is clicked, although the registry entries are deleted, the Group Policy state would NOT be reverted from Enabled to Not configured.

Hope I said that correctly.

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Cybertooth

I feel like a dummy for asking this, but here goes. Right now on my Win10 Pro, having installed January updates, I have neither old Outlook nor new Outlook installed. I do not want anything installed I will not use, specifically Outlook (old or new). Will MS try to install new Outlook regardless meaning I need to block it? Do I need to really do anything to avoid getting Outlook added new by MS?

Is this a “new Outlook will be installed for everybody” regardless of whether you have old Outlook or not?

I had hoped by this point in time that Win10 would be stable and just getting true security updates and not adding new apps to my system.

Apologies for my dumb question. (Just want MS to leave my system alone…)

Just housekeeping to close as RESOLVED.

KB5050411 in January 2025 patches replaced the problematic KB5048239 as noted in posts above.

For me, KB5050411 installed successfully and now done with WinRE (until next time MS deems more fixing needed ??? – chuckle).

I am not seeing KB5007651 in the Master Patch List for Windows 11 ???

Glad that the KB5048239 problem is going away with KB5050411 replacing it.

Should we take bets whether this is the last time we have to deal with WinRE updating problems in Windows 10 ???

FWIW – there is a thread on a Microsoft forum where many users have posted having a repeating Windows Update for KB5048239 that began a few days ago and continues. People that install seem to get caught in a loop of “install again”.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/re-2024-11-security-update-for-windows-10-version/a6123462-2dbd-4abd-ba44-adf828dd0dff

There is a “I have the same question” that you can click on (count currently up to 112). May be worthwhile to click on “I have the same question” to see if it gets Microsoft’s attention (I wonder what gets Microsoft’s attention these days).

In the meantime, especially if the KB5048239 has been already successfully installed back with the November updates, the best choice is to hide this until Microsoft fixes whatever they did to cause the repeating install loop.

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mcbsys, raBUSTiO, lmacri

lmacri, that is very useful information for me. I have been staying frozen on v6.23 because of my incorrect beliefs. Now I can go back to updating normally again.

 

I have lost track. For CCleaner, I thought the “Custom Clean” function was no longer available in CCleaner Free beginning somewhere around V6.24 and to use “Custom Clean” required a paid version. Have I been believing something not true all along? Does CCleaner Free still (beyond v6.23) allow “Custom Clean”?