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Applied September updates to all three machines when Susan Bradley gave the all clear, then repaused all of them. None overheated through the October updates so far.

I do not know what could have changed with all three. The SL5 had the format/install of win11 fresh, via this thread we used registry and GPO settings to manually stop updates including microsoft store and got my camera working again (and then removed those tweaks, to go back to using just WU pause). I did not do anything with the Dells except unpause WU and apply updates when they became so hot and laggy as to be unusuable.

I can only hope m$ has fixed something since I’m pretty sure I haven’t. If the issue should resurface on any of the three I’ll come back and start a new post.

All three machines are still paused following windows update in August, and none have overheated so far in September. Will leave them paused and continue waiting.

satrow wrote:

Some folks are more suggestible than others, fans blowing hot air are doing what they are designed for, if you can’t log high temps, they’re not high. Fan noise might be fooling y’all.

If you can’t even hold the thing how is fan noise fooling everyone who touches them?

Yesterday I applied August updates to the Dells and so far they are running cool, that is typical.

For the SL5, just now I’m trying a test. I blocked LAN/WAN access (via rules in OPNsense), ran my WU reset script, paused updates again (paused now through 9/27), allowed LAN/WAN traffic again. The SL5 cooled immediately. We’ll see if it resumes overheating.

Read my description: https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/odd-overheating-and-sluggish-problem/#post-2698545

Since multiple people including outside my household state the laptops are uncomfortably hot, this seems proof enough. Neither I nor anyone else to date has come up with any stat program that can point to the cause.

I appreciate your out of the box thinking. But it’s strictly device problem.

To recap:

1. Three people here with three devices (was four, my old tablet died recently)
2. All devices overheat
3. Overheating only occurs once a month when windows updates are being pushed and the laptops are on windows pause
4. Laptops overheat whether plugged in or on battery
5. Laptops overheat whether in our home or away from home*
6. Multiple people have observed the overheating

*Laptops are not away from home much, but always have internet connection when they are. At home I have tried disabling the wifi adapter and overheating stops.

???

If you mean CPU cores, yes they always seem to be when I experience the overheating.

No cores are elevated, they always look normal.

Already did.

Your statement isn’t helping Alex. I wish for you to stop with these kinds of interjections.

By overheating, I am talking about fan very loud and the laptop body is too hot to comfortably hold. The heat coming up through the keyboard is uncomfortable. The keyboard becomes laggy – letters appearing in a delay or long pause and then spurt. All programs are laggy and respond slowly or pause, long delays switching windows.

This is happening with all three laptops (two Dells, one SL5). All laptops are on risers and have good airflow around the bodies. They’re all in clean environments and the internal fans are not dirty or blocked as best I can determine. External fans help make them more usable but they’re still very very warm.

Dells are not overheating (yet), SL5 just started overheating about five minutes ago.

Core Temp from SL5.

 

CPU/Kernel times from SL5. I got them from resource manager; task manager looks different from that screenshot above and doesn’t offer the option. I am not sure if the resource manager is showing kernel times, I seem to recall they used to be shown in red but I haven’t looked at this for a long time, so I don’t know if these graphs help. Snagit had a little trouble stiching multiple screens together but the graphs are there – nothing much going on.

 

Disk and network are the busiest at the moment.

After I posted here, I shut all three laptops down so they were not overheating all night. Powered them back on next morning. Usually within minutes to possibly hours they would all be overheating again. As soon as the overheating resumed I’d get the above info and reply.

Except the overheating hasn’t resumed. All three have been powered on full time since then, and in use daily. They’ve haven’t even gotten warm.

All three are still on WU pause.

As far as changes, only the SL5 had format/install win11 fresh in July. The two Dells haven’t had a windows reset or any other changes to their settings (except for updates) in 1-2 years.

Also. OPNsense released a full upgrade earlier this month, I installed that upgrade soon after I powered the laptops back on two days ago. That shouldn’t have anything to do with anything… this overheating is literally a years-old issue starting with Win10 and I’ve only had the Protectli Vault and OPNsense since February.

I’ll come back when (if?) the overheating resumes. Laptops will remain on WU pause.

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satrow

Wednesday evening 8/14 one paused Dell began overheating. Yesterday afternoon 8/15 the other paused Dell began overheating. This evening 8/16 my Surface Laptop 5 (the test machine for this thread) began overheating. None of the machines were doing anything intensive or were doing nothing at all except powered on and not sleeping. (The ancient Surface Pro 3 tablet bit the dust last week so is out of the picture now.)

After the format/install of Win11 Pro 22H3 (May edition from m$ website ISO) on 7/17, I did not enable hidden administrator mode, did not allow downloads over metered updates, have been using an ethernet cable (via an adapter as the SL5 doesn’t have an ethernet port) since last weekend. I think I eliminated all the weird variables we thought might be having an impact.

The SL5 is all but unusable now, so before I go ahead and let August updates apply – what can I look at?  I’ve attached the task manager view while it is overheating and super laggy right now. 

Alex5723 wrote:

I did numerous times

Yes and it still doesn’t help answer the original question, which I am now back to.