WuMgr operational questions

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[Tex265]

I am currently controlling Windows 10 Pro update process via Group Policy settings (2) and wushowhide.

Since unclear whether wushowhide is still functional with Windows 11 Pro, I have been researching the wumgr portable program and have some questions that I cannot find direct answers to.

1. Since wumgr is not “installed”, do you keep it active/running all the time or do you close out of it after its use?
2. Does wumgr co-exist with Windows 11 WU (eg: can you still see/utilize Windows WU or wumgr?) Or is it one or the other?  Pending answer to 1. above?
3. Many have asked here and on the internet yet I cannot find a comprehensive answer to what each item does/changes in the two (2) Settings boxes, Options and Auto Updates.  Does anyone have the answers?
4. What are the Default settings?
5. If you make changes in the wumgr program, do they permanently make changes to your  Windows system so that the changes remain even if you exist or delete the program?  Thus need to reset any changes made back to default before removal?
6. Do actions taken within wumgr reflect in Windows WU? (eg: updates/features/virus definitions installed).
7. Do any of your answers change if you “install” the program from the MS Store vs using the portable version?

Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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1. No. Use it only when you want to check / update.
2. No. It is an interface to WU.
3. No. We play and test.
4. Do nothing is the default.
5. Maybe. If you disable WU via WuMgr it is permanent.
6. Yes. see 2 above.
7. You can’t install it.

cheers, Paul

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Paul T wrote:

7. You can’t install it.

It gets installed if downloaded from Microsoft Store (but works same).

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@paul-t  thanks for you response, however your replies to items 2. and 6. seem to contradict one another.  Either wumgr and WindowsWu co-exist and reflect each other results or not.

Tex265 wrote:

Many have asked here and on the internet yet I cannot find a comprehensive answer to what each item does/changes in the two (2) Settings boxes, Options and Auto Updates. Does anyone have the answers?

I would hope you or other members can provide a much more insightful response. It makes no sense that each Woody member should have to experiment with trial and error to see what each of the program’s setting selections do.

Little doubt that among all the members that they have collectively tried them all.  So what does each one do?  Or at least if each member would post what the ones they tried did or did not do we can build an answer sheet for all to reference.

Please help with your input.

Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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Tex265 wrote:

@paul-t  thanks for you response, however your replies to items 2. and 6. seem to contradict one another.  Either wumgr and WindowsWu co-exist and reflect each other results or not.

You asked three questions in item 2. I suspect “No” was the answer to Q.2 of 3.

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It is the answer to your first question, “do they co-exist”.

As to “provide a comprehensive answer”, this would require many hours of work to coalesce information already available. I suspect nobody has the time or inclination to put in this much effort.
We are happy to answer your (anyone’s) questions as best we can, but you have to bite the bullet and actually do stuff at some point.

cheers, Paul

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Paul T wrote:

We are happy to answer your (anyone’s) questions as best we can, but you have to bite the bullet and actually do stuff at some point.

Very disappointed in your commentary.  You have no idea how many hours and sites I have spent/visited trying to find these answers via searches/reviews/Ai.  So for your information and the other thankers.  It was over 6 hours over 3 days and over 35 sites plus numerous blogs Q&A’s.

All of them simply do a quick overview of the obvious main buttons. None of them answer any of the questions that I posed to the Woody membership. I am not expecting just you to provide all the answers, a broad perspective from all members and senior staff is welcome.  I only come here AFTER biting many bullets.

Tex265 wrote:

Many have asked here and on the internet yet I cannot find a comprehensive answer to what each item does/changes in the two (2) Settings boxes, Options and Auto Updates. Does anyone have the answers?

quote=2757406]coalesce information already available[/quote]

Please point me to where I can find all (even some) detailed answers to my specific questions if they are already available as per above, I can’t locate them.

Paul T wrote:

As to “provide a comprehensive answer”, this would require many hours of work to coalesce

How much time would it take to share\say: “In the Option block, I checked this one, this is what happened within the wumgr and Windows Update”?

Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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@Tex265, the closest you are going to get to a comprehensive understanding of WUMgr involves visiting the following Web pages:

1. This introductory discussion by Ed Tittel. Note that this is an archived page, so not all the illustrations might display properly. However, Ed is a frequent contributor to the AskWoody Newsletter and it might be possible to contact him via private message here.
2. This original AskWoody guide to using WUMgr by @geekdom, as pointed out by @n0ads. I would read this long thread after starting with Ed Tittel’s piece.
3. This official AskWoody Knowledge Base guide to using WUMgr by Susan Bradley, which supplements the original guide and adds numerous screenshots of the program settings.

Go through each of the above in the order given, as they build on each other.

You may also find the following AW threads to be useful: here and here and here and here.

Anything more systematic and/or detailed than this collection, will involve commissioning someone to prepare it.

Note that all the AW threads are still open for discussion, so any questions on specific points that you might still have can be posed there.

 

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Thanks for your additional information and links. I have already reviewed all but never came across the one by Ed Tittel which has some good commentary.

You have been very helpful in my quest to find operational information on this program for myself as well as hoped it would be a depository for others to reference.

I note you have provided helpful commentary to many others seeking similar information under various wumgr postings.  In particular you shared your settings in your reply #2316946.

This is the kind of feedback I have been trying to obtain with my posting.

Thanks

 

Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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@Tex265 The wumgr application is open source software and can be obtained from https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr.

Tex265 wrote:

…I cannot find a comprehensive answer to what each item does/changes in the two (2) Settings boxes, Options and Auto Updates.

The author did not create any documentation for the application beyond the available source code.  So there is no singe source for the comprehensive information you desire.

Tex265 wrote:

Little doubt that among all the members that they have collectively tried them all.

My guess is that most folks that use the application find options/settings that suffice to meet their particular needs in dealing with the Patch Tuesday offerings.  And considering the lack of documentation I’d also guess that they refrain from experimentation to avoid a bad outcome.

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EricB wrote:

And considering the lack of documentation I’d also guess that they refrain from experimentation to avoid a bad outcome.

Exactly, that’s why it would be nice if the membership could pool their knowledge of what works or doesn’t to assist everyone.

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@Tex265,

The problem is that David Xanatos, the creator of wumgr, has never provided a complete guide/help/FAQs for his program nor details about exactly what each of the various options actually do so, since day one of it’s initial release, each individual user has pretty much had to figure it all out via trial & error.

The closest thing to such a guide I’ve run across is the Guide to Using WuMgr for Windows 10 Updates thread here on AskWoody; and even it’s not complete because no one, except David Xanatos, really knows what all the options do!

All those “quick overviews” you’ve seen are because that’s how those users got it to work for them and they weren’t interested it the how or why questions you’re asking just that it worked.

BTW, JMHO, but asking others to be your guinea pig probably isn’t the best way to get meaningful responses.

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I appreciate the first part of your helpful commentary.

Sorry, but can’t let this inappropriate comment go unresponded to:

n0ads wrote:

BTW, JMHO, but asking others to be your guinea pig probably isn’t the best way to get meaningful responses.

Your HO has merit, but if it is in reference to me, it is an inaccurate and unappreciated comment.  I never made such an ask in this ongoing discussion. My ask is for members to share results of what they did or did not do, not to be “your guinea pig”.

Tex265 wrote:

It makes no sense that each Woody member should have to experiment with trial and error to see what each of the program’s setting selections do. Little doubt that among all the members that they have collectively tried them all. So what does each one do? Or at least if each member would post what the ones they tried did or did not do we can build an answer sheet for all to reference.

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@tex265: FWIW here’s another option to consider: paying someone to install and set up Windows 11 for you. I bought a Dell Refurbished laptop that came with Windows 10. My intent was to use it as a test machine to install Win 11 on it myself. Life got in the way and I decided to pay someone to do it. For $69 Windows 11 23H2 was installed with only a local account – just the way I wanted it. Dropped the computer off on a Friday afternoon and picked it up on Tuesday morning. It was completely ready to go, totally updated and everything. It was the best $69 I ever spent – no fuss no muss. And it had the added benefit if starting a relationship with an established PC repair professional just in case I need it in the future. I’m comfortable enough keeping Win 11 running and patched, but not feeling like I needed to learn about the 10 to 11 upgrade turned out to be a relief; I’ve got plenty of other things to occupy my time – and that I much prefer doing and that actually give me some enjoyment – than to get involved with yet another potential MS headache.

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Tex265 wrote:

Very disappointed in your commentary

All the respondents here, with the exception of Susan, are volunteering their time and knowledge. Please be kind to them and grateful that they are generous with this precious resource.

cheers, Paul

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Let’s be honest and put my highlighted comment you are showing back in context to your specific comment below, specifically insinuating, without knowledge, that I have been doing no, little, or minimal research on this topic for myself which per my detailed reply is false and without merit.

Paul T wrote:

We are happy to answer your (anyone’s) questions as best we can, but you have to bite the bullet and actually do stuff at some point.

Tex265 wrote:

Very disappointed in your commentary. You have no idea how many hours and sites I have spent/visited trying to find these answers via searches/reviews/Ai.

My comment was solely in response to your insinuation and has nothing to do with any other member who took their time and effort to provide a response to this inquiry.

 

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You are reading way too much into my response.

I did not insinuate you were not researching, I insinuated you use the app and see how it goes. I will know in future to be a little more direct for you.  🙂

cheers, Paul

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I have Windows 11 2023H2 with Wumgr. When it comes to monthly updates. about half the time, the only update offered is Windows 11 24H2 but nothing for Windows 23H2. Any ideas on how to check or change Wumgr settings to get it to work right?

Thanks, CMA

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Hide 24H2 in WUMgr so it doesn’t show up. Then you will see updates for 23H2.

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