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I am using Win 98 SE edition, and I have been thumbing my nose at XP for while now, I am mentally prepared to purchase XP, but then I have jumped back on the I don’t know bridge; I have heard all kinds of problems with XP, I have an HP printer, and scanner and I have requested for the update drivers; but I still could have other problems, and I have a U.S Robotics V.92, than tends to lock-up on me at times.

I have been advised that Win98 SE is still faster than XP, I just don’t want the headache of all the problems that accompany the XP.

I have purchased two copies of the Windows XP Official Magazine, that comes with a couple of cover disc each month, the articles are really written for easy reading, but I’m still not sure.

As anyone tried the tweaking software by totalidea.com, is this software the best? The bottom line do you have any regrets?

Thanks

Dillon

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WinXP is head and shoulders over 98SE. Don’t hesitate to get XP at all. Like the saying goes: “try it, you’ll like it” !
Seriously, it’s MUCH more stable, can run with many hardware configurations and is faster as long as you give it some room with enough RAM.
Go for it.

SE was a DOG compared to XP.

Bob

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Cowboy,

Not just a , but DEAD

MS should be dropping support for it soon. ( if they already haven’t )

Bob

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Hello everyone:

Thank to all who replied, I have a P4, with 1.6MHz, with 512DDRM mem, and a 40Gb drive, would this machine hold up?

Plus I have a palm, and loads of people are having problems hotsycning, I have read that you must disable the firewall and Anti Virus; can you shed some light on this?

What would be the best tweaking software for XP?

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You’ll be pleased with XP. That machine will work quite well. Just make sure you get XP drivers for all you hardware. You can use the latest MS TweakUI for XP. IMHO, the most complete tweaker is X-setup. There are a ton of settings that you can manipulate (and screw your system up if you aren’t careful). Best of all it is completely . Can’t help with hotsynch problem.

Joe

--Joe

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I have a Palm V and sync OK with the Palm Desktop on Windows XP Pro (old serial cradle even). We run antivirus, of course, but I do not the Windows XP firewall.

You will have to update a lot of your downloaded software, as there are some significant differences between the Windox 9x and Windows NT/2000/XP systems. Not sure if this affects any of your paid software, you could check the vendors’ web sites if the products are more than a couple years old.

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I second what Joe said. Plenty of horsepower in your machine.

Haven’t heard much about problems hotsyncing.

I prefer System Mechanic for a good housekeeping utility & tweaker.

Bob

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I am running a PII, 451 with 640 RAM and a 17 and 60 gig drives. Have not had any problems, so you should NOT either.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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I bought a new PC to switch to XP from 98SE (the old P3 500 was dying from heat exhaustion). As others have said, there’s no comparison – XP is far more stable and faster.

The only problem I had was with my old scanner (CanoScan FB310). XP didn’t want to know about it and Canon had no XP drivers. I managed to get it working, by lying and using the old W9X drivers.

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Ome additional suggestion, DO NOT UPGRADE to Windows XP, Wipe your hard disk and do a clean install. This will leave you with a much more stable installation.

If you can affort a new hard disk then it might be a good idea to keep your current Windows 98 installation so that you can recover anything that you forgot and just install Windows XP onto a new disk.

StuartR

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To Joesperes;Jscher2000;Viking33;Smbp;Dava;Timoz;StuartR

Thank for all your amazing advice, and for all those of you who sent links, much appreciate.

Has anyone picked up a copy of “Micorsoft Windows the Offical Magazine XP” this magazine is an import if you don’t live in England; each month they enclose a couple of cover disc specifically for Win XP only.

I am very appreciative for all your support.

The site is http://www.windowsxpmagazine.co.uk.

dillon65

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Dillon–

I get it every month. I like its pretty color pictures and extensively detailed diagrams, hoping maybe I’ll pick up some tips. The also have spinoff monthly books that started showing up in my town last month with titles like Windows Media, Word 2002, Control Panel and Settings, Microsoft Office Handbook.

They always make it a point to put an attractive lady’s picture on the cover, so there must be some advantage people in the UK have understanding the strong connection between pretty women and Windows XP. I figure if I keep reading the magazine, it’ll sink in hopefully before long.

Windows XP Magazine UK

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

I think it is the most amazing and brilliant mag in print to date! I live in Canada, though I was born in England and over here in Canada it cost me $24.10; I did sign on to their forum, however, is was butt dragging slow. Did you get the small blue book with a 1000 tips? I don’t play games on my PC, because I use it for business, so I promised my brother that I will send them back to England for him.

He promised me that he would try to send me the mag from England, the exchange rate on the Pound really hurts ones back pocket but it is worth it, and I have learned so much; I am not a techie but the mag sure makes things appear less painful to understand.

Thanks for showing a copy on this forum; keep up the good work

Take care,

dillon

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Just wanted to add one more positive comment about using a Palm with XP. I have a Palm 515m connected with the USB cradle and have never had any problems running a synch. If you check the forum Other OS/Palm here in the Lounge (iff the posts haven’t been erased) you will find a few people who’ve had synching problems, but overall I think it works great. Sometimes installing USB drivers of any kind of device can be a bit tricky and there have been several times when I’ve had to repeat an installation to get it completed. But I think those are nuances of USB and its implementation. Like everyone above has said about XP – you’ll like it…..

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I did get the small book with tips that came packaged with the mag, and I like their books. Our stores started carrying their monthly books starting with the 3rd or so Win Media. The mag costs me $13.95 in the states, and the books $15.95–B & N has a 10% discount card. Cheaper to susbscribe –you save and they throw some books in–from Future in Bath, but I’d have to deal with the exchange rate–probably no big deal for someone who has done mags from the UK to US before.

Once you get XP in and have played with the features, put up how it’s doing for you. The advice to do a clean install for greater stability is very good advice, and I think particularly coming from Win 9X, and remember that although plug and play is convenient for drivers, that some of the Windows XP plug and play drivers and the ones from Windows update are “generic” less robust drivers and some are out of date and you’re always best off going to the hardware maker’s site or one of the many hardware or game sites that keep extensive up to date driver lists by device manufacturer.

Good luck,

SMBP

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To Bigaldoc;Cowboydawg; and everyone else who responded

Thank you so much for all your support, much appreciated.

You all have convinced to me to make that change over to Win XP so I will, and a special thanks to SMBP, for sending me the video clips concerning the comparison between 98 and XP, the really convinced me.

SMBP, I don’t have any knowledge of those book that you have mentioned in your post; I will contact the publisher to find out how I can purchase one. Thanks for suggesting the subscription; I will have to do this through my brother and send him the money; the exchange I figured out was almost $150.00, this appears to be an awful lot for a mag. I would like to subscribe for one year only, plus I plan on getting a back issue regarding installation; I will send a correspondence via email and see what happens.

If you could be so kind to send the ISBN number for the book, I will see if my local retail could start carrying the book. Please keep me posted.

Dillon

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dilon–

You’ll have a good time with XP; the lounge can tell you how. Just click on the link I included above to the magazine publisher, and they have all the info on the books if you scroll down a bit.

SMBP

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dillon,

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each month they enclose a couple of cover disc specifically for Win XP only
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The only problem i’ve found with those enclosed CD’s is that usually by the time they gather the programs, mass burn them to disk and distribute them with a magazine ( that’s published how often? ) the programs are out of date or have been replaced by others. I find that checking around the web and downloading something that seems interesting is a much better way to go.
Just some advice.

Bob

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Hello Viking33;SMPB:

SMPB – I will click on to the mag link that you sent me, and go from there; viking your statement was a real eye opener for me, I just don’t know were to go to find those types of software; however, I have asked for a tweaker program and I did get a few responses so when I have a pit of time I will review them.

Over here in Canada we have a long weekend, so I won’t be able to receive the purchase until about the 6th of August. I will keep you updated.

dillon

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Dillon-

Bob’s saying that often when they put the softwear tweaking programs in, including this magazine they burn them months in advance and when you get them they have updated them and fixed bugs so you shouldn’t use them, you should look at the software they mention and google for it and get the latest improved version on their site–like the Tweaking Toolbox in a recent magazine inclusion. It’s a snap to get a number of free tweakers and programs that can keep you occupied for years–they’re easy to find.

Just google or search engine , tossing in words like Windows XP Tweak Tweakers, Modify. You’ll get lists of free downloads. If you haven’t seen this–they broadcast in Canada–have been for almost 2 years–Tech TV. Hit the pulldowns and then click on the left “Archives.”

TechTV in Canada

Hit the Pull Down where it says Select a TV Show for Call For Help and Screen Savers>Archives and you’ll have access to 100’s of useful programs, a number of the best XP Tweakers, most free, and they vet them for spyware, although I’m sure that isn’t 100%. The lounge links to Spybot and AdAware all the time. You don’t have to have cable/dish/ TV to get the free show notes with all the downloads in your mail box every day.

Microsoft Power Topys has Tweakers explained on the site and Tweak UI XP.

Once you get XP, you can go for these.

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

How are you? I do apologize for not replying to your post, I haven’t been on since my last post. Thank you for the links; and not to mention the advice. I will always make sure to look up the latest version; I have not purchased my Win XP I will do the dirty next week Wednesday.

My brother has been nice enough to send me the Mag from England, I don’t know how long this arrangement will last for, so I told him I will pop the exchange rate in the mail; hopefully this will help him to keep sending the mag every month. I saw the little book “Control Panel Setting” it was $23.95 I took a small peak at it; not worth that amount of money. So I will try to find a Techi book instead; I do realize that the book will be much more, at the same time it will offer alot more help

Question, has anyone had any problems with their OEM version of Win XP and also is there a service pack 2 out yet?

SMBP, I’m not getting cold feet, it just I have been busy with my son’s swim lessons, so next week Tuesday will be his last day, and then I will be able to give this matter the attention it deserves.

Take care,

dillon

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Hey Dillon–

1) There should not be any greater degree or different types of problems from your OEM version of XP than one you buy–I prefer to not get OEM’s because you get MS support (2 events)that will theoretically stick with you until the problem is solved. My experience with Dell Software Support was that anytime I talked with them, it gave me incentive to read up so I never had to call them again. They do have some excellent smart people, but they aren’t fond of doing software support as a rule. Sometimes the OEM manufacture will build things into the hard drive to do certain things to the software, but they aren’t changing the code that comes from Redmond.

2) There is no SP2 yet or any buzz about a date, but they are naming some of their patches SP2 this or that, so there will be one–given the definite length of time until Longhorn, and Steve Ballmer’s promise that Longhorn is going to represent a “new direction” and grouping of applications last week at a meeting–whatever that will actually mean. I’m really willing to bet that if there is an SP2, at least one person will have something to say about it on the lounge.

Putting Win XP on your machine is not going to be any big leap at all. It will have more features, and if you just search engine like google, and use a few XP sites, and also I highly recommend reading old lounge threads on XP, Windows, IE when you get a few minutes and take a break. Remember Microsoft has plenty of minitutorials and tips on their site, and links to sites, and also take some time to use Help and Support in XP[/i] when you have questions, and plenty of people on the lounge will help with them. They have done a decent job of Help and Support, not the least of which is to search for articles on the subject and relevant KB’s are added now into the search in XP and it links you to all of them.

They also have tours of XP in Help and Support, on their site, and several web videos on it’s features so it’s major features are pretty well supported.

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

I will follow up on your recommendations concerning XP; I would have really preferred to get the full retail, instead of the OEM, only because of the support would be there, I have been doing research on this product for some time now, so the basics I pretty well know how to do, it’s just the technical problems crashes and so forth.

The two links that you gave me I found to be useful, especially the second one. I found http://www.microsoft.com/technet, it just flows like a wild tree branch, full of information. It is a bit technical but very useful for me.

I need to find were in Canada I can get the full retail version cheaper. I will keep you posted; again thank you and everyone else for your full support.

dillon

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I know this is late, but I don’t think anyone ever said anything about your question in your initial post, i.e. Tweak-XP from Totalidea.Com. I bought a copy shortly after I started using XP Pro and have kept it up to date (free) ever since. I just recently upgraded to 1.34.1 but I just noticed on their web site that there appears to be a version 2 out now. I’ll have to check that out. But, I like the program although I don’t know if I would PAY to buy a copy of it now that the free versions of MS’s TweakUI XP and the ever popular X-Teq X-Setup are in my toolbag.

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Hello bigaldoc:

Missed your post, thanks for your answer, I am happy that I have found a fan base for the product, I did take a tour on their site, and then last week I found out about the Tweak program from MS, thanks to SMBP. Keep me informed of your follow ups. Walk a straight line because now I know that your the Tweak Master!

Best regards,

dillon

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XP Tweakers/Tweaking/The Registry

Following up on Al’s suggestion for one of the nicer and definitely fun Tweakers, when you get XP just put in some google terms for Tweak XP–there are a lot of them out there and you’ll keep running into them, and the links will beget links and you can tweak it the rest of your life if you have the time, or at least until Longhorn. Some are even free, and picking out a couple good ones like Tweak XP will serve you well.

The other thing that will help you is to google for registry tweaks xp or words like this and you’ll find unambiguous registry modifications as opposed to ambiguous ones, hidden and there are many hidden registry keys, ambiguous secret names for keys, subkeys and values, unintuitive names and my point is if you like that magazine and want to get into tweaking XP you can do it until your heart’s content–the tweakers usually change registry keys to get done the particular task you sellect at its gui, and there are a lot of nice things you can do and conveniences you can make and I mean a lot when I say a lot if you learn the places in the registry to do it.

I understand all the caveats about messing with registries–they are valid–I wish I had a nickle for all of them–but they also scare people away and diminish the convenience and enjoyments they could get with their OS if they used regedit.

That’s one of the best things about the Lounge or NG’s and boards in general–they make people curious about the registry and give them incentive to learn it better.

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

Thanks for your informative advice; however I am scared of the registry, I have gone into the dark cave (Registry) many times, but only to delete like the palm folder etc. Unless someone gave specific instructions on how and what to change; that is as far as I am prepared to go.

When I first got my P4, I download the Cache file from MS Update, and totally bugged up my system; never again. Last night I did go to google groups and I type in HP 4400c + Winxp and I found that the particular scanner that I have was having problems, so Monday I will give them a call.

I did find a million dollars worth of information specifically the following:

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sg_clean.asp%5B/url%5D

after reading the site I became more at ease with the entire idea of changing to Win XP; I have taken your advice concering the full version, and I found that it was $299.00 Cdn, so I will have to shop around.

regards,

dillon

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Tech TV Canada

The point here is not so much to get you to watch the shows, it’s to get you to get the newsletters from Call For Help, Screen Savers, and Fresh Gear and (if you’re into games) X-Play. There is a wealth of Windows tips and other very practical info on this site.

This is an excellent go to resource for advice, tips, articles about hardware, software, games, XP. I don’t know if they get specific on bargains in Canada, or if swap meets are around where you live which often have sharply discounted Windows operating systems–but therre are sites on the web to look for and just google around. It may be tough to find big discounts on Windows XP off or on the web.

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

Alright, I have done the dirty I took the leap into the world of Win XP, but as soon as I stepped out, I was hit by the worm blaster, no fun at all. and for the first time I had to work in the reg, with no one to hold my hand it was like to blackout that happened last week.

I prevailed and was able to get read of the virus. Symantec offered brilliant instructions.

I would like to do the updates, but is the updates from technet more readily available.

thanks

dillon

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My take on Win Update is that it’s somewhat of a chore, and a plodding nag, even when you use the best scenario with it which is to go to the enterprise site and customize it and use the Windows Update Troubleshooting site which has been linked on other threads–if I’m having a hard time smiling I just think of the term “Windowsupdate troubleshooting”, and I can smile really quickly.

I have put a lot of links on other XP threads to Technet’s different update pages, but if you just go toTechnet Security and scroll around you’ll see links that list all the past downloads, on the right are always recent hotfixes. I do it this way: They mail the bulletins that have update links–you miss none–they’re all contexted–you can read and read the detail–they’re PGP coded if you’re worried about spoofs that have viruses or worms. For IE, WMP, Office, Direct X updates go to their sites every once in a while. They aren’t putting out patches every other day–that’s the security patches 99% of XP and IE’s patches. Drivers go to hardware maker’s site–or google for driver sites–a lot of people here have their pet sites for this. I think that’s what you meant in your question about “more readily available.”

Removing blaster has to make you feel experienced–Blaster woke some people up–maybe it will have some more systemic impact on the update and viral protection within Microsoft. Right now all the newspapers have articles that Microsoft wants to patch for you and that’s going to be interesting for enterprise IT departments if it happens as JohnGray pointed out. See:

Posts 285675, 285705 and Posts 280451, 284232 and Posts 284224, 284382 and read the three threads and you will have Win Update and the Security site and newsletter down. All the links to all sites for Update and Security are there.

SMBP

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If you think the that clicking three to 4 times to get a list of all of the critical up dates to be “somewhat of a chore, and a plodding nag”. what do you think it takes to manually down load all 32 updates on a clean install?

Most unexperienced user have a better chance of being keep up to date and protected by using the built in tools than any other method.

I also do NOT use the “auto update” on any system, again the four clicks listed about takes about 2 minutes each time I check. The download and install will be based on what is there.

Just remember that one MUST follow the rules and NO buts, to be protected.
The rules are keep ALL critical updates installed, keep your AV definitions up to date and run a good firewall on EVERY machine.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Hello SMBP, Dave A:

My Win xp came with the services pack 1,and today I tracked down all the file numbers just to make sure that I wasn’t duplicating any of the updates.

Yes, SMBP you are right I don’t feel so scared anymore, if anything I am just more cautious, a little scared but not like before. I don’t understand why this individual would take his time and effort to create such up evil, he could of spent that time help the law-enforcement find an easier way of tracking individuals who prey on young children online, if he was really smart he could of created a full proof software that could stop any and all virus, come to think of it he could of been a multi millionaire, but in stead let me classify him as a !@#$%.

Alright, I have gotten my frustration out, I just think that the life of technology will greatly surpasses us, and how long do you think people like myself would be interested on software and computers, IT staff would loose their jobs, developers would loose a lot of money, because eventually the general public would be fed up.

dillon

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My problems with Update (knowing all its sites and its troubleshooting site and every view it can be given) were:

1) that it proferred drivers that were woefully out of date compared with ones I had or were the latest, because MS doesn’t pretend to be the state of the art driver stable and often drivers several editions older than the ones I had–key drivers like the video drivers. Also the drivers were sometimes lower quality generic drivers.
2)It often repeat offered me updates I already had for IE and XP.
3) It failed to list major critical updates that existed.
4)The install mechanism from WU often stalled–even with NAV and the NPF in NSW off.

Abandoning Update–I never hit it–has saved me a lot of time and added efficiency to not missing any update for MS software that I have.

I think it’s easier on a clean install and takes the same amount of time to go to Technet’s list or do a search like the two Jefferson did a few nights ago. It’s the same amount of clicks either way. You get a list and then you click to install the updates. Lounge threads, the MSN Update group, and other XP web sites suggest there is an epidemic of problems for beginners or some power users with WU.

I really like getting the bulletins via email from the MS Security site. The first option they give you on every notice is to go to Windows Update anyway. I would sure agree with you that the linchpin of security are current daily definitions, as you have pointed out and a good firewall. From what I hear and see companies with high powered IT departments forgot this principle. Firms all over my town and many law firms in NYC whose attorneys and IT people could recite Knicks, Yankee, Mets and Giants stats backwards were swamped by Blaster and So Big. Daily update of definitions is free and Microcenter is selling wireless Linksys routers for $59 right now. The state of New Jersey’s and Pennsylvania computers are systemically replete with Blaster and SoBig right this minute. Lockheed was hit hard. I’m going to bet that these companies and states have stellar IT departments. CSX railroad, the third largest U.S. railroad halted freight and passenger operations Wednesday because they couldn’t dispatch trains or control signals.

Maybe the Microsoft Installer 3.0 about to go into Beta will not only unify the eight different installlers across Microsoft’s product lines, but will improve the efficiency and minimize confusion of updating with a passle of patches.

SMBP

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Hello SMBP:

Thanks for your full support, I did take a look at the link you sent me, and I will take a look at the others later on, I took the lazy way out today, I used the XP update, only because there were so many, so tomorrow I will have a bit more time, on the technet update, that appears to be more more detailed with there facts, and I don’t feel worried, because I know that the update from technet offers more detail on how, when, where, why.

sometimes I have tried to click on a link, and then I get a run time error, I always click no what can I do to prevent this, a prime example would be the link you sent me from your previous post yesterday.

thanks

dillon

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If Windows Update is working well for you, by all means stick with it. Customize it to your liking–there is a customize link in the left task pain–it just wasn’t for me and a number of other people if the MSN threads and some of the lounge threads are any indication, and there was also an interesting thread a while back with posts as to Windows Update downloads and registry key entries by R2.

As to your runtime error, going to Tools>Internet Options>Advanced and 1) Check disable script debugging 2) Right Underneath uncheck Display a notification about every script error. These notifications are meant for the web page developer/designer who is the only one to in a position to do anything about these notifications. It has been pointed out by Jefferson that if you endure these annoyances, you can write to the web designer or developer and notify him and then he could work on the problem. I don’t have time for that, but it is an option–and particularly if you were interested in the design of a page and the coding, I know it would be very useful.

See Runtime Errors XP/IE-6 for perspective

SMBP

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Hey SMBP:

Since you have shown me the Technet, I find that it is more beneficial for me to download the critical updates from Technet, the only thing that in the add and remove, I have all these files, for just updates, looks quite messy if you ask me.

Thanks for the tip on run time error; SMBP I read in another section of this forum that there is no search method will this change soon?

Thanks a million

dillon

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The Microsoft XP developers and evangelists like that messy look–they put them there so that theoretically you can check their easily for your hotfixes/updates–you can do it in the registry in a couple places also–there have been issues–we had one in the Lounge recently, where ocassionally updates won’t show up there–we had one with Chameleon and a Direct X patch recently on the XP threads. I really think that once you get them in, Technet’s notification emails are the easy way to learn about all the hotfixes. Then for something that’s not security, just check the Win Media, IE, Direct X sites, and get your drivers from a driver or the hardware site. I’m really not knocking Win Update, but after just trying to help with still another of it’s annoyances on the Windows part of the lounge, and reading all the issues in the Win Update Troubleshoot site, I was reminded precisely why I never use it.

One tip I think will help you–others might disagree–but if you go to the Microsoft XP site, and take some time to explore a lot of the links and tutorials–you don’t have to read all that stuff just know it’s there for future reference–that if you’re using the movie maker or win media player or working with pictures they have a number of How To’s and mini tutorials and googling when you have a minute for things with the term “Windows XP” in it will show you a lot of useful sites. Also if you go to PC Mag and PC World’s sites, they have an awful lot of free articles on XP features archived.

SMBP

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A feature that is probably underused of Win Update to make it easier to find all the available downloads in the case of a new installation is the Windows Update Catalogue.

See Post 287274 this thread on XP.

SMBP

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Dillon–

Windows XP is considerably faster at most common day tasks than 98 or 98 SE. I could flood you with white papers that have benchmarked them objectively. What else should mean something to you is that Windows XP is less prone to crash than XP and the NT kernel is more stable. There are people who use 98SE in the lounge who are experienced, advanced users and can handle a number of problems easily and run it well so that this isn’t near as much of a factor.

These may help:

98 SE vs. XP OC Addiction Peformance Review

Side By Side Comparison of Common Tasks in XP and 98

Windows XP and Windows 98 Matchup How Common 98 Tasks Are Made Easier By XP: Watch the Videos

Feature Comparison Guide XP Pro with 98 Other Flavors

Features: Comparison Guide XP Home with 98 and Other Flavors

Windows XP Upgrade Advisor Tool

Security Comparison Guide

SMBP

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Lab Report: Windows XP More Reliable: Win 98 SE Gold vs. Win XP

Multiple Lab Reports Win XP

Performance Numbers Win XP vs. Earlier Versions

TechNet White Paper Win XP Performance

SMBP

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