Per @MrBrian: Five Microsoft updates today so far: Unbootable state for AMD devices in Windows 10 Version 1709 — this is another one of those weird “
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If anybody is curious how I discovered these updates, I used the Microsoft Knowledge Base Articles Lister that I mentioned at https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/how-to-list-new-or-updated-microsoft-knowledge-base-articles/#post-134444.
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see why i never upgraded my 1511, even 1607 is still buggy
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From the articles for the v1607 and v1703 Windows 10 cumulative updates released today: “Addresses issue where some customers with AMD devices get into an unbootable state”.
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There are .NET preview rollups too
searching catalog became easy once they start “numbering” updates by year-month
IE (auto arranged by date)
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Rss.aspx?q=2018&lang=enother browsers (need to click on Last Updated to sort)
http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2018I’ve got a .Net framework update in WU that was checked, but now is not checked. As usual, I’m holding off. It’s only middle of the month, and we’re still at Defcon 2.
Win 7, HP, 64bit, Group B
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KB4055532 – mass confusion!
First listed as “Important” and checked, now shows up as unchecked
“Uninstall Notes:
This software update can be removed by selecting View installed updates in the Programs and Features Control Panel.”Shows up in ‘View Update History’ but not in ‘Installed Updates’ – can’t uninstall!
to add to the confusion:
https://github.com/dotnet/announcements/issues/53
“Please avoid installing this update on Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2.”
Enlightment, please.
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Maybe this can help How to (manually) uninstall Windows updates
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@lqir3491: I am becoming TOTALLY “lost” trying to keep up with the .NET Framework updates. Afraid to touch any of these. When is this ever going to get straightened out, I wonder. Not a good way to run a railroad, that’s for sure. Thank you to all who are knowledgeable enough to understand what the heck is going on. ????
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Similarly, KB4055532 – Important and originally checked, is now unchecked, while .NET 4.7.1 (KB4033342) is no longer even being offer by WU (Win 7 Pro x64).
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I think this is significant too.
185 older superseded updates for Office 2007 have been expired in WSUS and this is likely to mean that they were retired from WU servers too.
The final cleanup to coincide with the end of life for Office 2007 perhaps.-
I keep an old Office 2000 CD around just in case. That was the last version that didn’t require activation or any other interference from MS. It still works.
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Got one pushed again too. So [] tiring. Windows as a service more and more starts to look like a horrior scenario for the average user. Every update is hit or miss. Some vague KB’s earlier this week made an event id 2 appear in the logs with every boot. We’ll see if this (big) KB solved it. Or made things even worse. I switched to an iMac at the beginning of this year. Turned out to be a life saver, without it I would have worked a lot less the last 14 days. Now I just see Windows machines update or produce the occasional BSOD in the corner of my eye. Still annoying (it must be solved after all), but not so threatening anymore. I think Microsoft really choose the wrong direction with Windows 10. :-/
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Precisely what does all this flurry of update activity signify?
Are we supposed to do anything?
Start a pool on which updates fail?
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I think it signifies the impending arrival of MS DefCon Zero – “Abandon Windows Updates and trust to your own security measures because Microsoft haven’t a clue what they’re doing”!
Seriously, it’s getting quite silly now, what with updates popping up and then disappearing, then reappearing, others first checked then unchecked, machines locking up etc etc.
Meanwhile, thanks to Woody and the team for trying to keep on top of developments – and good luck later in the month when trying to advise everyone how best to proceed!
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The crack-up. (F. Scott Fitzgerald, re his descent into something like lunacy, circa 1948.)
That’s what is going on. The crack-up of computing. For consumers, certainly.
Will the BIOS be updated? Possibly not. How do I know? Hmmm. Will the browser be updated? They haven’t reached out to me and assured me that they have, although I read third-party reports. What about the AV software? They haven’t said squat either. And Microsoft? To quote Woody: Whatta mess.
All these players run for cover, dissembling as they go.
Eventually, we’ll start to see blog posts that claim, This is what you must do. Like how to survive a nuclear war.
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Defcon 0 or could it be the emergency Defcon -1 (you are month late).
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Defcon Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru (You Are Already Dead). 😀
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I’m not either one of the two addressed here, but I’m going to throw out my opinion anyway, FWIW.
The average end-user has Win Update on Automatic. They know nothing of how the computer works, they just use it. The only possible way out for them (and even it is a far cry) is F8 or a Rescue Disk/USB stick (if they made one – most didn’t) to access “Repair my computer” then a Restore Point before the install/crash. Even that is not going to be possible for most of the “Joe Users” I take care of.
Talking “Eleveted Command Prompt,” PowerShell commands,” and “DISM” is way over the average User’s head. They are not capable of that (IMHO) even with detailed instructions. Witness the daily ministrations for over a month of @MrBrian a while back and multiply that by all the Joe Users you know.
And when the computer goes to the local shop for repairs, there is no telling how long it will take, or what will happen to the User’s data (which is usually not backed up, in my experience), or what it will cost.I think it is time Microsoft take responsibility for the quality control of it’s updates. They need to stop using their customers (and that includes businesses as well as individuals) for Beta testers. The Updates should be “finished products” before they are released.
Even if their focus is no longer on the OS, morally and legally they should be held to their stated terms of support.
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PK, If I understand the history correctly, MS fired all the quality checkers back at the end of 2014. Essentially, they push updates to unsuspecting customers that they have not really tested. I believe it was done on the age-old idea that the coders should get it right the first time.
Anyone who ever managed a bunch of programmers and developers, has learned this lesson the hard way time after time after time. MS policy on WU is unconscionable. It is without a doubt the same as selling cars with defective brakes. When my mechanic works on my brakes, I am not permitted to drive it until his boss test drives my vehicle. At the tire place, a supervisor must torque the lug bolts on my wheels before I am allowed to drive it, and they insist I bring it back within 40km to have them re-torqued.
A bunch of MS operators ought to have their hats handed to them and the company sued out of existence.
WU was built into the Windows user psyche as a must do crucial responsibility. The vast majority of users still practice this like it is a must. A visit to the Answers forum will show you the extent of this problem. It is huge. On that page where I offer advice, I never hesitate to advise people to stop using WU altogether or at least delay till the last moment and refer them to the askwoody forum for background. I have never had MS criticize my advice.
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Hear, hear, @pkcano!
The only possible way out for them (and even it is a far cry) is F8 or a Rescue Disk/USB stick (if they made one – most didn’t) to access “Repair my computer” then a Restore Point before the install/crash.
Adding to the repair woes is the fact that Microsoft, in its infinite wisdom, sets System Restore to “Off” in Windows 10 and if you enable it, it gets disabled again when you install a new version of Windows 10. At least that’s the way it worked for me, more than once, when I was in the Insiders program. So even System Restore is probably not going to be available to save most normal people (i.e., non-techies).
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Cybertooth. What an incredibly stupid decision — Restore turned off by default. Another good reason to avoid Win10.
In fact, I find the number of restore points available by default in Win7 to be too few. It really is a dumb level — usually maybe 3 percentage points. In 99% of systems today, the hard drive is 500G or larger and very few people use more than 100G or so. Restricting Restore space to a mere 3% is foolish. As a matter of course, I reset my clients’ restore space to provide at least 30G for restore points, thereby providing a substantial improvement in the ability to restore, even long after an event.
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As a matter of course, I reset my clients’ restore space to provide at least 30G for restore points, thereby providing a substantial improvement in the ability to restore, even long after an event.
CT, that’s an excellent policy.
I know that some people say System Restore is unreliable, and it’s true that it doesn’t always work. But still, it’s an additional layer of safety, it’s much simpler than restoring a drive image, and it’s saved my bacon countless times. Can’t understand why Microsoft would want it disabled.
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Cybertooth, A common cause of Restore “failures” is the security suite people install in their computers. The software prevents Restore from working. Most often, if you to go into safe mode you can get Restore to work.
CT
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This confirms my firm decision to reject Windows 10 completely.
This is an excellent example that proves my reasoning behind this and my decision to reject ALL Microsoft updates of every kind.
The risk of Microsoft screwing up a machine is much greater than the risk of a hacker or virus.
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MrBrian, that is not something a normal everyday Windows computer owner has any idea how to do. If I understand this correctly, the average Joe would have one option: Take it his local WorstBuy and have them charge him $100 or more and likely replace the hard drive as well whether it needs it or not. A lot of people just scrap the machine.
This is a ghastly mistake on Microsoft’s part. A Class-Action must be in the works somewhere.
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The real kicker with this is who gets to pay for it? Microsoft destroys your property to the point that it doesn’t function anymore and you, the customer, have to foot the bill to fix it? There have been CA’s popping up against MS for the last two years at least due to Windows 10. I’m sure there will be many more to come.
Microsoft issues a Windows 10 update that renders people’s computers useless forcing the casual computer user (read: most PC owners) to have to pay money out of pocket to fix a problem directly caused by Microsoft’s incompetence and was not in any way their fault? How does that even make sense? It’s amazing the hoops users are expected to jump through just to make their W10 PC’s work at all which now includes doing BIOS updates to prevent said updates from ruining your computer? Seriously? There are people that are actually cool with this level of incompetence? It’s unbelievable what some people are willing to put up with these days.
I, too, will never go to Windows 10. Despite going on nine years old, Windows 7 is still far superior to Windows 10 on the basis of stability, reliability and the ability to have control over your computer instead of it having control over you. I’m sure Windows 10 does some things better than Win7, but those things are outweighed into the negative because of all the hassle one has to go through just to keep it working and maintain some degree of control over it. Programs that work now may not work with the next update or you have to do extra work to make programs work when the next upgrade is rammed down your throat when MS decides to ignore your update deferral settings pretty much whenever they feel like it. However, you can be sure all the stupid games that continue to install themselves against your wishes that you don’t even want will continue to work perfectly.
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“MrBrian, that is not something a normal everyday Windows computer owner has any idea how to do. If I understand this correctly, the average Joe would have one option: Take it his local WorstBuy and have them charge him $100 or more and likely replace the hard drive as well whether it needs it or not. A lot of people just scrap the machine.”
Maybe this site should have the address woodysavedyou100bucks[dot]com :).
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I’d be happy with one tenth that….
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So like the January 3rd one, we should block this one as well, I am sure, right?
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January 2018 Preview of the Quality Rollups for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, and 4.7.1 for Windows 8.1, RT 8.1 and Server 2012 R2 (KB 4057272)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057272/january-2018-preview-of-the-quality-rollups-for-net-framework-3-5-sp1-Description of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.6 on Server 2008 SP2 (KB 4054981)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054981/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-6-on-servDescription of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.5.2 for Windows Server 2008 SP2 (KB 4054992)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054992/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-5-2-for-wDescription of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, and 4.7.1 for Windows Server 2012 (KB 4054979)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054979/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-6-4-6-1-4Description of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7 and 4.7.1 for Windows 8.1, RT 8.1 and Server 2012 R2 (KB 4054980)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054980/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-6-4-6-1-4January 2018 Preview of the Quality Rollups for .NET Framework 3.5 SP1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, and 4.7.1 for Windows Server 2012 (KB 4057271)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057271/january-2018-preview-of-the-quality-rollups-for-net-framework-3-5-sp1-Description of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.5.2 for Windows 8.1, RT 8.1, and Server 2012 R2 (KB 4054990)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054990/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-5-2-for-wJanuary 2018 Preview of the Quality Rollups for .NET Framework 2.0 SP2, 3.0 SP2, 4.5.2, and 4.6 for Windows Server 2008 SP2 (KB 4057273)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057273/january-2018-preview-of-the-quality-rollups-for-net-framework-2-0-sp2-Description of Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 4.5.2 for Windows Server 2012 (KB 4054991)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4054991/description-of-preview-of-quality-rollup-for-net-framework-4-5-2-for-w-
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I can confirm that – see my blog post Updates KB4074906 (.NET), KB4077561 (Windows 8.1), and KB4056446 (Windows Server 2008)
Ex Microsoft Windows (Insider) MVP, Microsoft Answers Community Moderator, Blogger, Book author
https://www.borncity.com/win/
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The fix for WS2008 is probably the same one documented in Win7/WS2008R2 preview rollup
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4057400/windows-7-update-kb4057400Addresses issue where every smart card logon to a Windows Terminal Server/Remote Desktop Server may result in a handle leak in the certprop service. Token leaks result in session leaks on computers that have installed MS16-111/KB3175024 and superseding fixes.
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The distinguish factor is dpx.dll, expand.exe is merely an interface
yes, win7 can’t extract some Intra-Package Delta cab updates since win8 ones
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Correction, it’s dpx.dll that handle the extraction
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Ya think Hopper?! YOU DON’T INSTALL UPDATES until were at DEFCON 3-DEFCON 3 Soldier! You need to be more careful! Once it’s in the green, THEN IT’S SAFE TO install!
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Skyfall and Solace
More vulnerabilities in modern computers.
Following the recent release of the Meltdown and Spectre vulnerabilities, CVE-2017-5175, CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5754, there has been considerable speculation as to whether all the issues described can be fully mitigated.Skyfall and Solace are two speculative attacks based on the work highlighted by Meltdown and Spectre.
Full details are still under embargo and will be published soon when chip manufacturers and Operating System vendors have prepared patches.
Watch this space…”
The initial post now links to More Windows patches, primarily previews, point to escalating problems this month.
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This is after setting the key
in WU, no .NET 4.x
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Seems like Microsoft is supposed to release KB4075200 for Win10 v1511 Enterprise/Education editions on 1/18 but is currently not there yet as it was mentioned in MS support KB article 4056888:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056888/windows-10-update-kb4056888Ditto for KB4075199 for Win10 v1507/RTM Enterprise LTSB/LTSC mentioned in MS support KB article KB4056893:
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They are available now
along with Windows 7’s Preview of Quality Rollup for .NET (KB4057270)
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The text of that page was changed substantially today, along with a few other pages.
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A new version is now available.
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Does this mean that the hotfix (KB4054856) isn’t needed and that the new version of kb4074880 (4.7.1 rollup) has been fixed and is safe to install? I downloaded all the files for KB4055002 again just now, but still have the hotfix. Is it not needed now?
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I’m not sure about the hotfix but the new release supposedly doesn’t have this issue.
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Actually, one more question. Is the hotfix required for people who did not install the flawed NET rollup? I am intentionally way behind on updating, so I did not install the flawed rollup. If one did not install that (for whatever reason), can they simply install the recently released and fixed rollup without the hotfix? It shouldn’t be needed in this situation, right?
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Its back KB4055532 ?
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On January 18, 2018, update 4055532 was re-released to include an update for .NET Framework 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, and 4.7.1 for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 (KB4074880). Update 4074880 replaces update 4055002 for this configuration, and prevents the issue that is described in the following Knowledge Base article:
4074906 – “TypeInitializationException” or “FileFormatException” error in WPF applications that request fallback fonts after you install the January 9, 2018, .NET Security and Quality Rollup (KB4055002)
This update has been released as part of the January 2018 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5.1, 4.5.2, 4.6, 4.6.1, 4.6.2, 4.7, and 4.7.1 for Windows 7 SP1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1.”No info on KB4074880 yet.
It is now checked again!
Good luck, I hid it!For those who employ it, Oracle have released a Critical Patch Update for their Java SE Runtime Environment (to version 8u161), containing 21 new security fixes. “18 of these vulnerabilities may be remotely exploitable without authentication, i.e., may be exploited over a network without requiring user credentials.” The English text form of the Risk Matrix can be found here.
Downloads for manual installation (all platforms) are at: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre8-downloads-2133155.html.
The advisory page (https://portal.msrc.microsoft.com/en-US/security-guidance/advisory/ADV180002) states:
01/18/2018
Microsoft has released security update 4073291 to provide additional protections for the 32-bit (x86) version of Windows 10 Version 1709 related to CVE 2017-5754 (“Meltdown”). Microsoft recommends that customers running Windows 10 Version 1709 for 32-bit systems install the update as soon as possible. Microsoft continues to work to provide 32-bit (x86) protections for other supported Windows versions but does not have a release schedule at this time. The update is currently available via the Microsoft Update Catalog only, and will be included in subsequent updates. This update does not apply to x64 (64-bit) systems.I hope they’ll release an update for W7 32bit soon.
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KB4055532 shows as checked important prior to installation.
KB4074880 shows as update after installation.
It would be helpful if Microsoft provided the same update name before and after installation. Cross-checking names to determine what update has been installed or omitted is extremely tedious.
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Update KB4057144 for Windows 10 Version 1703 is offered via Windows Update and via Microsoft Update Catalog.
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Have you tried manually updating your AV? You might also check their forum to see if anyone else is reporting the same issue there.
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KB4033342 has returned to WU as an unchecked Optional update (Microsoft .NET Framework 4.7.1 for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 for x64).
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