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    #207878

    If I clone a failing hard disk using Macrium Reflect and install the new clone in the laptop, will it require a product key for Windows Activation? If so, what can I do if I don’t have a product key? Here’s the full story.

    A few years ago I bought an old used Dell Latitude E6410 from a third-party vendor on Amazon for a nice low price. It came with Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1, an Intel i5 processor (Arrandale), 4 GB of RAM, and MS Office 2013. I think maybe it had previously been used by a business and the computer shop re-worked it for consumer use. It was in great shape and worked perfectly for my husband’s general needs for browsing, email, and word processing. I kept it updated with Group A-style Windows Updates.

    At the beginning of March of this year the system suddenly started giving a message that the hard drive was failing. Right away I copied the documents and pictures to an external hard drive (there wasn’t a lot of data, less than 1GB) and then made an image with Macrium Reflect (free). A little while later I bought a new WD HDD and used it to clone the hard drive with Macrium Reflect. My husband started using a Chromebook and stopped using this laptop.

    I’m not a techie and have never replaced a hard drive, so I didn’t do anything with it right then, and other things in life took priority. Now, though, I’ve read some documentation and watched some YouTube videos, and I think it’s something I could do. As it is, the laptop is useless anyway, so I might as well try it. I’m retired, so I have a lot more time than money.

    I haven’t tried switching out the hard drives yet, but I’m anticipating one problem. The COA sticker on the bottom of the laptop is for Vista, and of course there was no Windows 7 Ultimate Product Key included when I bought it, much less any installation disks. There’s also no “recovery drive” built in that you can use to make recovery disks as there is on many consumer PCs. So is there a way for me to activate Windows after I install the new hard drive?

    Is there any difference between using the clone and restoring the image that I made? In other words, either way Windows is going to ask for an activation key, is that right? (The old disk is a Seagate with 500 GB and the new disk is a 750GB WD.)

    I’ve read that you can activate Windows by phone after explaining that all you’ve done is replace the hard drive, but I don’t have a COA product key to give them. I do have a defunct hp laptop with a Windows 7 product key sticker, but it’s Home Premium rather than Ultimate, and I understand that the keys are specific to a Windows version.

    On the one hand, the machine was updated through the January 2018 rollup, so I suppose I could just uninstall that update to roll back to December 2017 and then join Group W, I guess. Or I suppose we could leave the laptop unconnected to the Internet and just use it when he needs access to his documents – if Windows will allow using Office without activation. On the other hand, I’d prefer to have another online Windows 7 machine (along with my 2012-era hp laptop) as a “backup” computer, and for those few times when he needs something beyond a Chromebook. I’d also like to update it to June 2018, just to have the Meltdown/Spectre mitigations and whatever other security patches there were since December 2017.

    The Dell with the failing hard drive still works (or did when I made the clone in March).

    Any ideas or recommendations?

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    • #207886

      Try reading Retrieve Your Windows and Office Product Keys, and see if any of those ideas help…

      I used ProduKey recently for the same thing, replacing a failing hard drive (it is described in the article). Take note if you have any other software that may need keys to activate on the new hard drive…

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      • #207894

        Thanks, Elly, I’ll take a look.

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      • #207909

        Elly, did you need to use the key you extracted?  That would usually be needed if you are reinstalling Windows, but the cloned Windows is already installed with the product ID entered.  I would not think this necessary, but I learn new stuff everyday too.

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        • #207914

          I ended up using the OEM recovery disk, and it activated without a problem.

          I’m not very happy with all the surplus programs that the OEM installs, having forgotten about removing them previously, in order to get my computer the way I like it. Next time I intend to do a clean install from a Windows 7 ISO I made just for that purpose (while they were still available)… and that will probably require the key to activate?

          I’m thinking that it might be easier to install from a current image, but I wanted a chance to do some house cleaning, and there were a lot of things I’d experimented with and ended up not using and I didn’t want to bring those forward. The recovery disk did not activate my Office 2010, which came pre-installed when I bought the computer new. I had to hook up the old drive into an external drive enclosure (while it was failing and turning itself off… ) and retrieve the key before it actually failed. I wasn’t sure what using a Macrium clone would do. I’m thinking that having copies of all the product keys will be helpful in the long run, sort of like having one’s data backed up.

          I may be non-techy… but I’m learning! Hopefully I’m not confusing anyone… 🙂

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      • #207929

        @Elly

        I did download the portable version of ProduKey and use it to read the keys for both Windows 7 Ultimate and for Office 2013 (thanks for the tip about recording that Office key also). I also tried ProduKey on my healthy Windows 7 laptop, and the keys it produced match the ones on the Windows COA sticker and the one I have recorded for Office 2010 on that laptop, so that looks promising.

        For the Dell, I have no idea if those keys will actually work if I have to reactivate, but it feels good to have them, anyway. When I can get everything ready and gather my courage, I’ll try switching out the hard disk and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestion.

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    • #207895

      @ jburk07

      https://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/feature/How-Windows-7-hardware-upgrades-affect-licensing

      Looks like what you intend to do will require the Win 7 Ultimate license to be reactivated.

      Most likely, your Win 7 Ult license is illegal, ie your used Dell computer only has a non-transferable OEM Win Vista license, which allows you to reinstall and reactivate Win Vista.

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      • #207900

        Most likely, your Win 7 Ult license is illegal

        I’m assuming, not that the previous owner is using an illegal copy of Windows Ultimate, but that they would have bought and installed it, upgrading Home to Ultimate (just what I’ve thought about doing)… and that the product key would be recoverable… just not on the original sticker.

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        • #207930

          @Elly,

          That’s what I’m hoping, too.

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      • #207925

        @anonymous #207895,

        Thanks for this information. If the Win7 Ultimate license *is* illegal, would it still show as Genuine Windows on the system information screen? It says that Windows is activated, and it has the little logo that says Ask for Genuine Windows Software. I was thinking that the business which originally owned the computer were the ones who updated it to Win7 Ultimate, but of course I have no idea. And I guess even if they did, that in itself wouldn’t necessarily mean they installed a legitimate copy of Windows 7.

        Well, if the new hard drive triggers reactivation, maybe it will still be possible to use Office offline. Or this might become the laptop I use for learning Linux …

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        • #207996

          @ jburk07

          I have done a clean reinstall of Win 7 on a new hard-drive after the previous one failed. The OEM Product Key was required to be entered for automatic online reactivation.

          Restoring a Win 7 system image to the same hard-drive does not require reactivation, but not if restoring to a different or new hard-drive.

          OEM Win 7 license is tied to the same machine for life = non-transferable. If the motherboard is changed = it becomes a different machine = the OEM Win 7 license becomes invalidated and deactivated. M$ has the legal right to require the users to purchase a new Win 7 license when a motherboard has been replaced/changed. But in practice, if the users call M$ and request/plead for reactivation, her staff will usually oblige.

          OTOH, just replacing/changing the hard-drive does not invalidate the OEM Win 7 license = can be easily reactivated online automatically.

          Edited for content- see Lounge Rules

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    • #207901

      If you’re just cloning the hard drive (or restoring a backup of a working Windows installation) and reinstalling in the same machine, Windows should remain activated.  A new hard drive alone should not be enough to deactivate Windows. I’ve done what you describe numerous times and never had it deactivate from that.

      Edit: Missed the question on the first try.  There should be no difference between cloning the drive and restoring your backup of the drive.  As long as you are restoring to the same PC the backup was made from, it should stay activated.  MS has not detailed the exact method they use for determining whether it’s a new PC or not, but I’ve never had it deactivate on a hard drive swap alone.  If the drive is dead, you really don’t have much of a choice if you want to get it running.  If it does deactivate, it should guide you through the process of trying to reactivate it.  Maybe it will work, if it comes to that.

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      • #207917

        @Ascaris

        Thanks, this is helpful. I’m hoping that it won’t need to be reactivated, since I don’t know the history of the machine, such as who upgraded from Vista to Win 7 Ultimate, and whether it was an OEM (probably, right?). Also no idea what product key I’ll be able to unearth with ProduKey or something similar; who knows if it will be the one that Windows wants??? I appreciate your help.

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    • #207907

      I bought an old used Dell Latitude E6410 from a third-party vendor

      Is there a Dell service tag sticker on the machine? It’s possible their support site still has information online. If the sticker isn’t there, try this information to locate it. (I’ve not tried their method personally.) It might be worth a try?

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      • #207919

        @Kirsty,

        It does have the sticker with the Service Tag, but that code just seems bring up a page with different diagnostics you can run on the E6410. I’ll see what the ProduKey utility comes up with and then keep my fingers crossed after I swap the hard drive. Thanks for your help.

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        • #207948

          There are probably other sub-pages that include various driver downloads etc, and the original configuration the machine was built with 🙂

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          • #207956

            Ah yes, of course you’re right. I didn’t see those when I first scanned the page.

            I looked at the original configuration to see if I could tell what other things have been replaced/upgraded over the years. As we know, it originally had Vista Home Basic. The original hard drive was 250GB and the current one is 500, so this will be (at least) the 3rd hard drive. The processor and RAM seem to be the same, or at least they match the original configuration. I didn’t notice anything else that was different. I don’t know whether the changes in hard drives and OS will be enough to trigger Windows reactivation.

            One of the links is to a page with support topics and articles, but I didn’t find anything about replacing the hard drive.

            Lots of good information here, but I don’t see anything else that might help in this situation. Let me know if there’s something else you think I should look at.

            Thanks for pointing it out, anyway.

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            • #208045

              the service tag number of the Dell E6410 could also be mentioned in the BIOS/UEFI setup. Usually it is also listed there in all the Dell computers I use.

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    • #207964

      You may need to replicate the disk id, known also as the disk signature.
      Normally your cloning software should have this option, but if it doesn’t or haven’t selected it, try using Diskpart to retrieve and then to replace the new signature with the old one.
      One site which provides the procedure for doing so is:
      http://support.altaro.com/customer/portal/articles/1115503-how-can-i-change-the-disk-id-of-a-drive-

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      • #208030

        @ch100

        Thanks for this information. I don’t know if the Macrium clone replicated the disk id but I can make a note of the id on the old disk and check when I boot from the new one.

        The note at the bottom of the referenced page warns that changing the disk id of the volume hosting the OS will cause the disk not to boot, though. So, I wouldn’t know what to do if I changed the new one and it couldn’t boot; then I guess I’d just have to reformat it with another machine?

        When I get that far I can at least check what the disk id is on the new one, but if the Windows isn’t activated I’ll probably just use the machine offline or play with a different OS.

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      • #208039

        @ch100,

        The new disk I’ve cloned to is MBR <2TB and the source disk is MBR. If I understand the information at this link correctly –

        >https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/Understanding+Disk+IDs

        – Macrium used the same disk signature on the cloned disk as on the source disk.

        Have I understood it correctly?

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    • #207965

      @ jburk07
      May you have a good outcome 🙂
      Anything about the product key is sensitive issue for M$ and their bots are prob already going crazy here…

      anyhow, few 2c that may help you further assess your situation…
      1) on the win activation page, if you see OEM as part of the product ID, it’s be OEM. If the code show geniune, it may still be ‘illegal’. Thats coz, I think, back then illegal copies where going crazy and was successfully activated, until some years later, M$ crack down on it. So if your mechine is activated prior the crack down, it may have been silent and M$ did not need to check assuming it is a good copy. (sorry for the ‘out there’ thinking out loud – in Asia we have lots of fun and horror story)
      2) there are a good few 3rd party software that can pull password and product keys like magic, but woody does not like those 🙂
      3) I had similar experience and was not brave enough to use the clone copy. What I did was – Make a FULL Image with Windows and save it on a external drive – Swap the HDD or SSD – Clean install windows on new drive – THEN from win image recovery option, restore the FULL image back. You should get the same exact copy and should be function like before (w product keys intact)
      NOTE: On the NEW drive – I was not brave to swap brand so I had to source for the exact brand and model of the new drive, the exact same as the old drive. Rationale: Windows keep the data and may not load properly, if the drive is not the same, it may show up as corrupted. Thats the risk of cloning to the new and different brand/model drive.
      4) Macrium (paid) appearantly has function to bypass the above problem thus allow cloning to any kind of new drive. Ascaris (above post) have successful experience, check there.

      5) GOTO group W – just copy all your personal file (photos, mail, etc) and move to a more stable OS and fishing with the M$ nonesense once and for all. As you read all the posts here on woody, the M$ ‘surprises’ are no end in sight. I personally are pessimistic and I think the days will come that M$ just decide to deactivate all Win that is not in their control (aka w10) and stonewall all the complaints. As long as we, the user, need win activation, and that the activation need internet access to constantly be checking if its valid, its a problem. Meaning if the the computer is offline, say, a year, or just 30 days, M$ may automatically deactivate the OS and require you to activate again (ie proof you are the legit owner) and goodness knows what else, will happen. Again, I am personally not optimistic. If you are looking into grp W, say linux, try MINT or for me, Zorin 🙂

      Good luck
      Let us know what happen when you decide. Be good to learn more everyday 🙂

      back to fishing for better dreams

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      • #208034

        @anonymous #207965

        Thanks for the information. Responding to your points:

        1) Yeah, it’s an OEM. Before looking into all this I had no idea of the history and complexity of Windows activations, or that it was possible in the past for knowledgeable people to bypass activation.

        3) It would have been nice if I had made a full image using Windows at some point when the disk was still in good health, since it seems I might have had better chances of success with activation. But it’s too late now since the computer only runs about half an hour before it freezes, and from my experience those Windows images take hours upon hours to complete.

        I also don’t have any install or recovery media nor any way to get it. That’s part of what is really annoying about this. Or rather, about Microsoft. I’d be tempted to buy a new license for Windows 7 if it were available, but it’s not. I realize that I bought a used machine and should have known what I was getting into, but this could also happen to an original user who did pay full price for a laptop that came with Windows 7 pre-installed. If they lost their installation or recovery disks, they could still be stuck even though their copy was entirely legitimate.

        4) I know that the paid version of Macrium has a special feature for deploying to new hardware, but the paid version is too expensive for me to use on this used and secondary laptop.

        5) So if my clone requires reactivation, I’ll probably do as you suggest and try Linux Mint on it. That way I can still get a few more years out of the laptop before the other older hardware starts to fail.

        Thanks for your response, and I’ll post my results when I finally get the new hard drive installed.

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        • #208133

          Hmmmm… there are some other ways that you can try still…
          unless you have some absolute data you need to retreive or must have the same win OS,
          maybe its best to try a new OS
          I just dont want to get anyone/woody in trouble here…
          meanwhile as mentioned, Linux may be a LT stable solution
          check out Zorin, a win-like distro, works out of the box,
          almost can be point and click on ANYTHING
          and its FREE 🙂 and no activation issue EVER!!!
          If you absolutely want to have the current win system back
          and wish to try some other unconventional ways,
          let us know, and come back for a wkend read (if its not too late)

          back to fishing for better dreams

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          • #208179

            Thanks, I’ll take a look at Zorin as well as Mint.

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            • #208232

              Yes linux seems more sensible option
              unconventional methods are tricky and risky and no certainty it will work anyway
              so I will leave you at the good hands of Ascaris and ch100
              they are way more expert 🙂
              good luck 🙂

              If Im in your position, I may also consider da boss woody’s suggestion
              that is to get chrome OS laptop
              the whole thing and ready to go with a rather affordable cost
              so you have a new non-M$ OS and a new hardware for a good number of years to go 🙂
              one stone kill 2 birds 🙂 and keep the peace for the forseeable future

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            • #208488

              @anonymous,

              Thanks, and yes, we do have Chromebooks which we like very much for most purposes. But sometimes it still works best to use Office, or to use a PC for certain sites (e.g. freefilefillable forms for taxes, which can be persnickety).

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    • #208159

      Newegg still has Windows 7.  Whether you want to pay full price for an OS that only has 1.5 years of supported life left is up to you, but it’s available.  There are also lots of copies available on eBay… some cheap, some not, some legit, and some undoubtedly not legit.

      At the very least, you could do the upgrade to 10 after you install 7 (back it up first) to secure the upgrade in case MS ever does turn it off, then go back to 7 for as long as you wish.

      Otherwise, it may be better to go to 8.1.  It has more time left, and you can get rid of the unwanted phone stuff on it quite nicely.  It’s the version of Windows I have on my machines, though I seldom use it anymore.

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      • #208178

        @Ascaris,

        I *have* considered 8.1, which would at least buy another couple of years. Looking at things available online, though, it’s not always easy to tell what you’re actually getting (i.e. what’s really legitimate, whether an OEM copy would work or just put me in the same position down the road, etc.) unless you’re willing to pay for a full version, so I haven’t pursued that very far. It’s also an interesting thought to get the Win 10 upgrade and then go back, although I just can’t see myself going to 10.

        Since I’m not sure how much longer this older hardware will last, I think I’m now more inclined to go the least expensive route with it. Spending almost 1/2 of what the refurbished computer initially cost doesn’t appeal much.

        Guess I’ll see what happens when I install the new hard disk and go from there. I do appreciate your helpful information and advice.

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    • #208243

      You shouldn’t encounter any issues whatsoever.

      While your laptop has a COA for Vista, all you are doing is cloning a failing Win7 hard drive to a new hard drive. This counts as only 1 point in terms of Win7 activation since in this case, all other hardware remains the same after you install the cloned hard drive into the laptop.

      The upshot is that you are totally good to go.

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      • #208311

        @GoneToPlaid,

        Thanks! I’m hoping that this is the case.

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    • #208926

      Update:
      I finally got the hard drive switched out today, and everything worked great; the new drive booted up without any problem. Whew!

      I uninstalled the January 2018 rollup (the last update installed) to get rid of Total Meltdown until I can prepare to install the June rollup, and I’ve started to get browsers and antivirus etc. updated. At least so far, it is as Ascaris and Gone to Plaid predicted, since I haven’t gotten any message about activating Windows, and I checked for updates to see what was there before setting it back to Never check. (I got quite a few Office updates along with the July rollup, a .NET update from I think April or May, the .NET 4.7.2 unchecked, and the MSRT, along with 2952664, which I’ve hidden again. Oh and some driver I’ve hidden also.) The system information screen still shows Windows as activated and genuine, for what it’s worth. I will get it updated to June 2018 as soon as I can in case Windows decides to complain later.

      I checked the disk id on the new disk, and it *has* changed, but somehow that seems to be okay; I’ve rebooted several times without a problem after updating different things. I guess Macrium Reflect took care of everything. What a great free program.

      The only bad part is that now I’m back to having 2 laptops to update every month instead of just one, haha!

      Thanks so much to all of you for your help. This is probably the most serious maintenance I’ve had to do on a computer, and your advice and suggestions made me feel a lot more secure. I really appreciate it.

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      • #208928

        So glad it went well for you!

        Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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      • #208935

        AWESOME 😀
        Thanks for the update 🙂
        It tells (hints?) us a few things… perhaps my past experience no longer applies…
        Maybe M$ is too focused on the new toy w10
        Just as I’ve heard rumours of random cases xp and maybe even vista (technically?) don’t need activation no more
        anyhow good news for you
        and a little win for the small ppl 🙂

        back to fishing for better dreams

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