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    #2763022

    Successfully set up new computer with Windows 11 Pro 24H2 current thru 2/25 CUpdates.

    Set up the usual Woody’s recommended Window Updates holds via Group Policy before connecting to the Internet. (Automatic Updates  #2, Exclude drivers, Target Feature version, etc),

    When I connected to the internet, final setup finished and when I went to Settings>Windows Update>Advanced>Configured Policies  all GP policy settings are confirmed.

    When I checked Windows Update page it shows it is holding up the April CU, and April .NET updates.  But it also appears that “Pause Update” shows “Pause for 1 week” in Black ink, not grayed out?  Is this now Standard with Windows 11?  Unlike Window 10 there doesn’t appear any way to change this.  Do I just have to wait for 1 week for this to expire and then hope the GP settings hold?

    As respects the Virus Definitions updates, I note they are now addressed under Privacy & security > Windows Security setting. Checking on the Virus & threat protection area, it shows an update took place today (and is up to date) however, unlike Windows 10 there was no notice or hold of the Definition updates in the Window Update screen. It also did not appear in the Definitions updates area under Update history.

    These use to be held up for manual Download & install by the GP settings above.  Has this changed?  Or have something to do with the Pause setting above?

    Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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    • #2763039

      Don’t you have a pull down menu to the right of “pause for 1 week” – a small black triangle? I do and when I click on that I then see options for pausing for 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 weeks.

      • #2763041

        Yes, a downward “v”.  But I see no way to get out of the already set 1 week pause.  What does NO Pause setting look like (if there is one)?

        My question is in Windows 11, is the 1 week an automatic with no way to NOT use pause since I don’t know how this got set, and I don’t see an option to NOT use pause as was in Windows 10.

        And confused over the Virus Definition update not going thru the Windows Update window like in Windows 10.

         

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
    • #2763061

      You click on the pause period to begin pausing updates. Once paused there will be a “Resume Updates” button at the top.

      --Joe

    • #2763236

      You click on the pause period to begin pausing updates. Once paused there will be a “Resume Updates” button at the top.

      I have no “Resume Updates” button at the top.  Are you saying it should be there NOW even though the Pause area shows 1 week?   Or, after the 1 week is up? (Never used Pause before).

      Note my Group Policy settings to “Show updates available but don’t download”.  As stated above, the top WU area shows the April CU and April .NET available to Download & install.  But Pause is showing 1 week. Seems something is out of sync.

      Also what about the Virus Definitions updating in the background and not holding in the Windows Updater, or showing in the Update History area like they did in Windows 10?

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2763246

        Computer is up to date, with no Pause set. Pulldown option is NORMAL

        Pause-Button

         

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        • #2763274

          Now that is interesting – thank you for the visual.

          Could you pls comment regarding the Virus Definitions coming down and installing without a notice or hold or appearing in the Update History area as they use to in Windows 10 with the Group Policy Settings.

           

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
          • #2763275

            Defender Definition updates are not controlled by GP Settings for Windows Update.

            • #2763715

              pls comment regarding the AntiVirus Definitions coming down and installing without a notice or hold OR appearing in the Update History area

              Thanks, but however the Antivirus updates are getting here my Windows 10 Pro has always (and still daily) shows them as held on my Windows 10 update screen (usually the only item on the screen that day). Regardless, after a short time, they will self install but still show on the hold screen.  Clicking on the screen and they will disappear.

              In either event, they always appear on the Windows Update history screen under Definition Updates.

              And this new Windows ll Pro computer shows them as posting 6 times during the time that the manufacturer was loading software and setting it up on the Windows Update > Update history screen > under Definition updates.

              I don’t have any settings ON in the Windows Update > Advanced Options page. Am I missing something.

              PS: The above pertains only to the Defender AntiVirus Definition updates, the actual Windows Updates are now operating and posting Update history as they should.

               

              Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
            • #2763729

              Definition updates are shown on the update screen, but there is a separate update process to save you running WU all the time – definitions are updated daily.

              cheers, Paul

      • #2763283

        NO. If you select a time period other than 1 week the pause is initiated and you’ll see the resume button. If you wish to you a 1 week pause, you must click on the default 1 week setting. That will initiate the 1 week pause and you’ll see the resume button.

        --Joe

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    • #2763884

      Thanks, but however the Antivirus updates are getting here my Windows 10 Pro has always (and still daily) shows them as held on my Windows 10 update screen

      I run Windows 10 Pro 22H2 with ‘notify=2′ and get notification every time there is a new Defender update (I use Kaspersky as my A/V but set defender for periodic scan’)

      DefinitionUpdates

      • #2764169

        I run Windows 10 Pro 22H2 with ‘notify=2′

        Definition update notification and manual update

        DefUpd

        DefUpd2

        • #2764559

          @Alex5723

          Your image is exactly what my Windows 10 does/shows also, this/that does not show up on my Windows 11 Pro even though the Definitions are automatically downloading and installing correctly on my system.  They don’t appear in the Windows Update history either.

          Perhaps this is the Windows 11 way?

          Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
    • #2763954

      Thanks all, but let me try to state the problem again:

      This is regarding what my new computer with Windows 11 Pro is doing (actually is not doing) regarding its’ Antivirus Definitions activity. ( I only referred to my Windows 10 as a reference for what I think the Windows 11 “should” be doing – See Alex’s post above).

      However, unlike my Windows 10, in Windows 11 the Antivirus Definitions are not showing up in, or being held up on the Settings > Windows Update  screen, or are they showing up in the Windows Update > Update history > Definition Updates area.

      The Antivirus Definitions are downloading/installing from “somewhere” into Settings >Privacy & security > Windows Security > Virus & threat protection without showing or holding on the Windows Update screen.

      Per my opening above: I have set up the usual Woody’s recommended Window Updates holds via Group Policy before connecting to the Internet. (Automatic Updates  #2, Exclude drivers, Target Feature version, etc),

      I also have ALL settings turned OFF in the Windows  Update > Advanced Options area.

      Am I doing something wrong or turned something off?

       

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
      • #2763991

        Maybe the following will help (but maybe not). I have 2 Win 10 22H2 and 2 Win 11 23H2 computers. Note that I do NOT have a Win 11 24H2 computer and things may be different going from Win 11 23H2 to Win 11 24H2.

        The first thing I would say is that Win 10 behavior is not necessarily going to pass over to Win 11. So, what you think should be happening in Win 11 based on what happened with Win 10, may not actually happen.

        Second thing is that I don’t know why some or all of your definition updates aren’t showing up in the update history section of Windows Update. Perhaps somewhere along the way of getting things set up some setting got turned on or off, although I don’t know off the top what that would be.

        I can envision a scenario where definition updates do not show up in Windows Update: Windows Defender can and will go out and get definition updates independently from Windows Update. You say that definitions are being downloaded/updated from “somewhere”, so this is apparently what’s happening in your case. If the definitions are up to date through Defender, then new definition updates will NOT show up in Windows Update when you check for updates. At least that’s what happens with my Win 10 and Win 11 computers; if Defender has updated the definitions – or if I initiate a definition update (“check for updates” in Defender), and I then check for other MS updates in Windows Update I will not see any Defender Updates.

        Getting back to point 2 above, on my Win 10 computers the definition updates will show in Update History no matter how the definitions got updated, whether initiated by me, by Windows Defender, or Windows Update. I don’t have access to my Win 11 computers right now (and may not for a few days) so I can’t check, and don’t remember off the top, under what conditions definition updates show in Update History.

    • #2763974

      Have you checked the event viewer? Or the reliability history report?

      --Joe

    • #2764023

      Yes.

      Event Viewer shows nothing regarding Updates.

      Reliability Report shows the Security Intelligence name, KB#, Version #, and “Successful Windows Update, for each day.

      But still strange that they do not show on the Windows Update screen, or appear on the Windows Update > Update history > Definitions update.

      Wonder if any of the “traditional Woody’s recommended Group Policy settings” are conflicting with Window 11 Pro 24H2?

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
    • #2764027

      Have you disabled Windows Security notifications using Group Policy?

      --Joe

      • #2764039

        Don’t think so, doesn’t sound familiar.

        Can you give me the GP path?

        Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
    • #2764041

      Run WuMgr and it shows the update history on the first screen. My W11 Home 24H2 box shows all the Defender updates (daily).

      cheers, Paul

    • #2764562

      However, unlike my Windows 10, in Windows 11 the Antivirus Definitions are not showing up in, or being held up on the Settings > Windows Update  screen, or are they showing up in the Windows Update > Update history > Definition Updates area.

      The Antivirus Definitions are downloading/installing from “somewhere” into Settings >Privacy & security > Windows Security > Virus & threat protection without showing or holding on the Windows Update screen.

      UPDATE:

      While the above regarding the Antivirus Definitions is still true, the recently received “Update for Windows Security platform” did:  show in the WU window & pend there & after download/install, register in the Definitions Update history.

      The Antivirus Definitions that arrived at the same/similar time did not. It automatically installed per previous commentary and did not appear in the Definitions Update history.

      Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)
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