I’m waiting for Gregg Keizer’s analysis in Computerworld, but no matter which usage share statistics you use, Win10 is stuck in the doldrums. Netmarke
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They actually did, really, but it’s MS and they couldn’t leave well enough alone.
8 and 8.1 were better than 7, but they cluttered it up with Charms and by forcing non-touchscreen users to work within the confines of a touch-based UI. It was better though; better performance, better features.10 extended that, and they removed those touch UI confines, and did it the way they should have done it the first time around – but they can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar and they’re forcing more BS. It’s a shame, really. It’s not too late, they can revert their mistakes and turn things around (same as they did with Win7 after Vista and 8.1 after 8)…but they just keep going back for more and more cookies.
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Favorable statistics for Windows 7 probably won’t save it from extinction, but it’s nice to know.
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There are a few more alternatives now then back when XP was retiring… Sure W7 will go, but not entirely to W10.
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I think it’ll go even farther than XP did… XP would have had a longer after-stay but the 64-bit support was not there. I tried to use XP64, I tried to like it…but at the time, some of the 64-bit apps I tried installing didn’t even think it was a 64-bit OS (cough iTunes cough). The 64-bit support in XP64 was so tacked on and an afterthought, that the ‘hooks’ were never really there, and eventually, 4GB+ systems were the norm and XP had to go.
Vista 64-bit support was strong, and 7 64-bit is more the norm than 7 32-bit. I think 7 is going to REALLY overstay it’s welcome (at least according to MS). XP had a long life past its shelf date, and I think 7’s is going to be something more like a reanimated corpse. 😀 With XP, the hardware ended up outpacing the software – but that’s not going to happen with 7. (Even though MS is trying to artificially cause this to happen, by stripping out Intel and AMD chipset support in everything new.)
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I think the big change will come when Win7 goes EOL. There are going to be many who will keep using it. But I think that is when we will see biggest jump to Linux and MacOS. There aren’t enough legal copies of Win8.1 to be had to make a difference.
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“There aren’t enough legal copies of Win8.1 to be had to make a difference.”
I can’t agree with that, but I can’t disagree either. As far as enough copies, if one looks around they can be found.
But I feel it is a moot point and agree it won’t make a difference. If people haven’t tried W8.1/Classic Shell by now they probably never will no matter what.
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If people haven’t tried W8.1/Classic Shell by now they probably never will no matter what.
We haven’t been talking it up enough!
Still, it would be amusing if suddenly Windows 8.1 usage started climbing and Windows 7 usage started going down. If that were to happen, I predict that you would start seeing bad Windows 8.1 patches!
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Sadly, the general view is that 8.1 is just as horrible as 8 was.
The truth is that Windows 8.1, once you replace it’s native tile-infested Start menu with a third-party Windows-7-like one, 8.1 looks and acts much more like Windows 7 than 10.
OT humour…
The evil part of me suggests a great practical joke…
1. For a month, a few hundred million 7, 8, and 8.1 users spoof their browser’s User Agent strings to be Windows 10.
2. Watch the fanboi-press and Microsoft get hyper-excited over the soaring Windows 10 adoption.
3. For the next month, revert to using the correct 7, 8, or 8.1 User agents and watch the press and Microsoft faint when they see the huge plummet in Windows 10 numbers.
Ring-ring, ring-ring… “Hello, you’ve reached Microsoft in Redmond. Currently we have no one available to take your call, but be assured that your call is important and will be answered as soon as our employees regain conciousness and complete PTSD counselling.” 🙂
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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Actually, there is a whole new kind of user appearing. They don’t care about what operating system they run. The only thing they ARE interested in, is if they can do the things they want. What runs under the hood doesn’t matter. I see a lot of people around me that use non-Windows systems. Many of them even don’t know what OS is running. That’s the future. Microsoft still things Windows 10 is a strong name. What I see is that non-techies often still use Windows 7 because they are happy with it. They clearly and intententionally circumvented the extremeley pushy upgrade-to-ten campagne. Exactly what is visible in the official stats showed here. Tech users don’t have to hope, most of them already use alternative OS’es on a daily base. It’s just interesting to see that people clearly want something different at home (and office) then what is pushed to them.
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A couple of points about ordinary users: they are not loyal to MS in any real sense and they know technically literate friends and family. Depending on their needs and aggravation with MS they might ask their tech friends about their realistic options. If the tech friends are familiar with Linux and can install it they may switch to Linux without ever personally installing the distro. And having installed both Windows and Linux I much rather install many Linux distros over Windows.
Also, Woody likes Chromebooks which is Linux under the hood. And they are sold along side Windows boxes at Walmart and Best Buy. So they could buy a computer with Linux installed.
The issue for MS is the growing sophistication of users. Many realize they really do not a specific OS or specific applications but the ability to reliably browser, manage email, open common file types, and store their files. They can do this on a Mac or with Linux in most cases. So staying with Windows is more a form of inertia than loyalty or real need.
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In other words we Win 7 users will have to be forced to stop using it. Not so much because MS doesn’t support it, but because eventually other software makers will stop supporting it. Hopefully this won’t happen for quite a long time!
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XP still has Anti-virus, third-party browser support. If the usage stays high enough….
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I think the situation with XP a few years ago is similar to what we see now, but this is different. XP was a 32-bit OS with maximum 4 GB RAM, which is a huge restriction IMO, Windows 7 has a maximum of 192 GB RAM… People moved from XP to 7 because there was no reason NOT to upgrade. Nowadays, people are debating (rightly so) that 7 was Microsoft’s last good OS and there are several good reasons NOT to upgrade from 7 to 10 as the privacy and overall control of your PC is way worse. Windows 7 has also proven that it’s sticking around for longer than XP did in its final years, what Microsoft feared and tried to prevent has happened.
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Computer users don’t want new features thrown at them constantly which contributes to never ending instability and unpredictability. Who in the world wants to update their computer when they hear their network adapter stops working or their computer won’t start? How would a home user fix something like that without internet access? In these days the internet is the only way of keeping in touch with others for some folks.
Shame on Microsoft. (SHAME..ring, ring..SHAME..ring,ring..SHAME…)
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Even technically adept users prefer stability over pointless features.
Back to the post, W10 is the only commercially available version of Windows for the masses and flat lining usage is not a good sign. Retiring old kit should cause a regular upward monthly trend of a couple percent or so every month for W10 with a corresponding decline of W7.
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Mr. Natural wrote: “Computer users don’t want new features thrown at them constantly which contributes to never ending instability and unpredictability.”
Amen, brother!
(And in that regard, what shall we say of Android? I can’t, in polite society.)
Remember “Clippie” in Office? My God, how did we ever learn to live without it?
If they only had stopped at making the world’s best OS, instead of wanting to dominate everything…<sigh>
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Confession: I have a 8-year old (offline) XPSP3 3D graphics and animation workstation that was built to my specs (got too old to keep building my own), and that thing still “lays rubber” when rendering animation, graphics, etc. A good OS, with top-notch hardware can’t be beat.
This constant, mindless innovation solely for the purpose of keeping 10 million developers busy, and, making people think they can’t LIVE without it (“Look! It’s a IoT Smart Doorknob that glows in the dark!”) is a horrible waste of mental energy, money and time, both from the user and programmer’s standpoints.
I look at the IT industry today, and see lots of “B” Ark material…mostly in the Marketing Department.
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An operating system should be a service to facilitate software and its users. Windows 10 became a burden to both. It’s ridiculous that Microsoft doesn’t react at all to the strong complaints of 10-users. They should start to behave much more humble. If not, they will not only lose Windows-customers, but much more in the near future. But I guess being the pushy bully is the US way of doing business. Many great names of the past ended up as burning like a supernova and then collapse. Think – just to mention some – Commodore, IBM, Chrysler and many others. They all knew better than their clients, ignored their critics. Microsoft feels untouchable and doesn’t show any respect to its customers. You only have to check out the level of oftebn just plain stupid replies at their ‘support’ forums. A cheap Indian workforce with very limited knowledge and nine out of ten times total misunderstanding of questions asked shows the lack of respect in capitals.
Barring an unexpected and unlikely massive shift of users to other operating systems, it should not be surprising if the horse race of Win 10 vs. Win 7 stays pretty much where it is now, with no big changes until Win 7 EOL — and maybe for considerably longer than that.
The reason for thinking this way is that, at this time, the most likely way that the share of Win 10 can grow is at the expense of Win 7, and that one is not going away in a hurry. Why? Because, by now, most large business and government concerns that use and will continue to use Windows have probably finished migrating to the already three-year old Windows 10, while the number of non “Enterprise” PC users is likely to be either stagnating or declining, as more and more people adopt smartphones and tablets that they find more convenient, sufficient for their needs — and cheaper. Those home and small business users who would buy new Windows PCs with Win 10 installed are likely to be pretty much those that already use Windows for some compelling reasons of their own but now need to replace their older equipment. On the other hand, users that have older machines in working order running Win 7 or 8.1 that they use for their work, probably are reasonably savvy and know better than to go and change in a hurry either the equipment or the OS, with all the annoying time-wasting effort and inconvenient learning process such a change usually requires, until they have no other choice. Particularly when Win 7 and 8.1 happen to be fairly decent systems that still work for them. And as more than a few of those users might be aware, by now, that Windows 10 is probably not better, or maybe is even worse than what they already have.
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The reason for thinking this way is that, at this time, the most likely way that the share of Win 10 can grow is at the expense of Win 7, and that one is not going away in a hurry.
I’m sure that MS is working on some big “scare campaign” to try to kill W7 and boost W10.
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It’s a very complex question. Simplified answer: StatCounter only counts hits on sites they watch. NetMarketshare counts hits on sites they watch, then tries to adjust for geographic differences.
Neither counts anywhere close to a majority of sites. And the hits can come from just about anything, including bots (although there are ongoing efforts to reduce the number of bots included in the numbers for both companies).
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I doubt if Microsoft went back to offering free upgrades it would move the needle much. The criticism of Windows 10 Home and Pro is increasing and users feel they have little if no control over the OS or their device anymore. A complete opposite of what Windows has always been since its inception. Enterprise can’t be happy about what they see either.
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10 Enterprise is really nothing more than a party favor; you’re still not fully in control, unless it’s behind SCCM or WSUS. The main thing Enterprise has now that Pro used to have is the ability to disable Consumer Experiences (which is the background trash downloads).
If you ask me how they SHOULD have done it, they should have made 10 Home what it is now, and Pro/Edu/Ent should have a controllable WU control panel like what has been in every version of Windows before it where updates can be checked, unchecked, and hidden. That way, you eliminate the problems you claim you had before (which is people who should update, not updating, because they have to), but the people who are Pro-sumers or small/mid biz have the control that they’ve always had without having to shell out the cost for physical or Azure servers and SCCM/SUS licenses.
As I said above though, MS just can’t keep their hands out of the cookie jar.
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Something to consider:
I’ve been using MS operating systems since there was an MS, and before that rather larger, more serious systems…
My first responses to the releases of each version of Windows have almost universally been ANYTHING but “rah rah”. Why? Because they did “way too much rush, not enough speed” virtually every time. “Never buy .0 software; always wait for the service pack.’
Perhaps it’s because Microsoft tries to leverage mediocre work, or because it’s simply impossible to get everything right the first time in such a complex thing. It moves the state of the art forward precisely because it’s more complex than almost anyone else could manage.
But no matter, given a few years (after the application of service packs, patches) the systems have actually gotten better.
I always waited to adopt a version until after at least one service pack was released. Last time was Windows 8.1.
WHY is Windows 7 considered a good OS now? It had its share of problems; desktop icons that wouldn’t stay put, resource leaks, bad drivers, failures to manage power states well, plenty of security holes, wasted screen space… But the dents and dings have been slowly hammered out over time.
It’s why so many folks who know what they’re talking about have been saying over and over, the release cadence needs to be in years, NOT months. Windows 10 vSomething could very likely be polished into something that people would want. It would just take time – the one thing Microsoft has taken away. Time for not only Microsoft to smooth the paint but also for users to get to know it and do their own magic. It’s not an anomaly that things like Classic Shell and Aero Glass for Win 8+ and the many, many helpful tools were developed – it’s a necessity.
Trouble is, there’s no Windows 10 SP1 or 10.1 on the horizon.
Microsoft Marketers (and Managers) need to get it through their thick heads that the very thing they have chosen to eliminate with their choice to release a “new” Windows version twice a year is the very thing that’s REQUIRED to make them successful. It’s an insult, really, to everyone who came before.
Microsoft I’m sure is now worried about “surviving their past success”, and with good reason.
One can almost reach the conclusion that they actually WANT to fail. Perhaps this is how you choose to get out of the operating system business: Do everything that people complain about, and nothing that they want.
Fine. Just stop “developing” Windows 10 entirely. Instead just polish it. Keep it compatible, make it more secure, make it more efficient, offer users ways to configure it more adeptly. It’ll last another 10 years, and it will become more valuable… So much so that Microsoft could imagine again exercising the old “sell the upgrade” mechanism for point releases. Microsoft, your forebears weren’t as stupid as you’d like to treat them.
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The other day, someone called me because he installed Itunes and it wasn’t synchronizing with his Iphone. I plugged the phone and it didn’t start Itunes automatically like normal although the phone was plugged in. Although the phone was found in Itunes, the checkbox for syncing was greyed out. I thought we should just uninstall Itunes and reinstall it. So I went to download Itunes and realized that since the computer was on Windows 10, it wasn’t offered the same normal version it should. It said to get Itunes from the Microsoft Store. I thought that was probably the source of the issue… So I looked carefully to find the hidden “normal” download through a few clicks and installed that after uninstalling the Store version that I didn’t even realize was the store version the person had installed when I saw it the first time. Everything worked right after. A quick search turned out that the new store version is the same Win32 version stripped down and ported to the store, so no wonder it looks the same. So, that might explain why some basic functions don’t work no more since the software can’t install services and Apple Update. In theory, such a switch might be better if you don’t need some of the features and bloat, but what it meant for me was a deeper switch in paradigm.
This made me think where everything might be going. As long as Win 7 exists, the store can’t be pushed as aggressively. When it is over, Microsoft could give incentives to big companies to push only Store versions of their apps then create the new world they are trying to create. What are you going to do if the only version available for download for the software of your new gadget is the Store version? If it is a more established software turned to Store, as a normal user, you will never see something else. As a power user, you might notice the little hyperlink that you might follow to download the old school non Store win32 version if it is still offered. Probably, business software might still get offered a win32 version of older software, but consumer only software might then switch to the Store version only. If Microsoft succeed at convincing some organizations and people to run Windows S version when the majority of consumer software offer a Store version to promote a more secure experience, then it will start to shift.
That means I don’t believe Win 8.1 has much of a future after 2020. It is almost irrelevant in market share, it doesn’t participate in the new world, and people who never used 8 because of its bad rep won’t come back to 8 for sure. How many of them repeated Win 10 is so great when they heard it the first time from the tech press? The simple thinking was Win 8 = bad, Win 10 = good.
What will happen then if the Universal Store versions are not that great and if people still experience so many issues with the constant updating? I think folks at home might just not buy a new computer when they brick the one they have. They might buy a tablet or for some that really needs a computer, they might be very tempted to buy a Mac if they can afford it. After all, we probably haven’t seen yet the repeat business or not from those who bought a Win 10 PC at home.
I don’t see Linux going anywhere the way it is right now for the mass market. It would need to reach mass market awareness through power users suggesting it, installing it, helping normal users with it but then the gadgets people buy might not have a Linux version of the software that is needed for it, so it will need to reach a certain critical mass to become relevant and have mass market products software developed for it.
Maybe if the gaming community would move to Linux, it could help a lot, but I don’t see that happening quickly either. I would argue the majority of the gaming community is more interested in performance than privacy and are more interested by new features when they feel they bring value. They might be sensitive to marketing targeted at them for things like DirectX, gaming mode, VR, etc. that is marketed in the feature updates.
So, for normal users, I see more a small move to the Mac and other devices than anything, IF they get sick enough of the issues. But I would not underestimate the ability of mass market users to suffer and stay passive about it. How many people at home just accepted the many issues they had with their computer in the past, even with XP and 7, the malware they got, attributing it to the cost of owning a computer that you don’t really understand anyway and feeling a bit powerless about it? Power users will never take the place of the mass market. They are not the mass market.
The mass market might switch from Microsoft through word of mouth, or not. What I read lately in the tech press is more bad things about Apple and how some consider switching to Windows despite they love the OS on the Mac just because Apple lost it on the hardware front lately. All of this, although rooted in some truth, has been blown out of proportion and there is nothing preventing Apple from correcting course. I suspect money is thrown out to trash Apple a bit more lately, a momentum having been identified, just like those crazy obvisouly paid for blogs of some Apple users repeating scripted marketing lines of Microsoft saying they will switch to Windows when the Creator’s Update marketing was the flavor of the day.
If I was Apple, I would seize the opportunity that Win 10 offers. They are the one who can become the mass market go to, building on their reputation for simplicity and reliability. They need some less expensive still reliable devices to make it happen, just like the Macbook Air that, although technically inferior, was such a great mix of specs for some type of users that it remained immensely popular despite its age because it really addressed so well the need of a certain market. Putting an SSD in a cheap laptop early was such an obvious good idea at a time where Windows cheap laptops didn’t get out of sleep after many many seconds.
But as Dedoimedo put it lately in his review of “1804”, you might just have to accept the fact that mass market products are going to be trash because people buy trash. You tell them “this is so great” and they repeat it to their friend. I can’t count the number of people who just repeated that Vista was trash without knowing what they were talking about and then cheered when Windows 7 happened to save them, although Win 7 had this horrible launcher and wasn’t that different from a tuned Vista or even a Vista running on a decent hardware, offering a lot of the same great things over XP and suffered from the same bad changes in UI scattering information everywhere, hiding things like the network card and presenting choices with dumbed down langage that doesn’t inform either the normal user or the power user of what it really does under the hood.
The dangerous game that Microsoft plays is to become relevant in a big business setting only because of the legacy and their ability to follow the crazy pace a bit better and then, if something else like Apple starts growing its root better in the SMBs, those SMBs might grow without Microsoft.
In any case, Satya Nadella made it clear in a recent interview that he thinks to face the future, you need to really push departure from the past and the future he sees is very different from the past. He probably thinks it is necessary for the long term survival of Microsoft. So I wouldn’t hope for much change here. Who needs Windows anyway, soon nobody will need computer anyway, we will all just use the cloud, right? Please don’t post this picture with a cloud saying something about computers.
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I don’t see Linux going anywhere the way it is right now for the mass market. It would need to reach mass market awareness through power users suggesting it, installing it, helping normal users with it but then the gadgets people buy might not have a Linux version of the software that is needed for it, so it will need to reach a certain critical mass to become relevant and have mass market products software developed for it.
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AlexEiffel: “I don’t see Linux going anywhere the way it is right now for the mass market. It would need to reach mass market awareness through power users suggesting it, installing it, helping normal users with it but then the gadgets people buy might not have a Linux version of the software that is needed for it, so it will need to reach a certain critical mass to become relevant and have mass market products software developed for it.”
I think this sums up the main problem with any alternative to the Windows or Mac operating systems, not just Linux, however user-friendly some versions of it might become.
I suppose am more of a “power” user out of necessity, having to use a computer to earn my daily crust. Needing only a few peripherals and other gadgets, almost always of the same kind, am not that interested in what goes on in the mass market. Although I like to keep an eye on it, in case there might be something there I could use (rarely there is). So I could very well run Linux on a PC once Windows 7 is no longer a viable option for me. And probably more people in the same situation will do that, some even keeping both a Linux PC and a Mac. While others might have one OS on a virtual machine installed on their physical one that runs the other system.
In the end, the “power” users will go one way, the mass market ones, another. Eventually, everyone will decide where to be — and what to use. Have a nice day, Mr. Nadella. I hope the future you strive towards does not disappoint you too much.
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Right now, Windows is a pain *** for many ‘normal’ computer users. Think home users, office users of smaller companies without an IT-department etc. Way too time consuming, unpredictable behavior with multi-monthly updates and stressfull multiple upgrades per year etc. Younger people laugh about Windows, for them it’s a dinosaur of the past. Look what kind of equipment they use. It’s not Windows-based. In schools Macbook Air’s are tremendously popular (basically running on Unix, actually…) and of course iPad’s etc. Maybe in the US the situation is different, but what I understand there Chromebooks are big. What is used by young users now is the future. Back in the old days, we used MS DOS and later Windows. That’s why it became popular in business use. Now the situation is totally different. Just wait and see. I am not a Linux fan, but most certainly not a Windows fan anymore. Tired of the manipulating, privacy-invasing attitude of it. Not to mention the hautaine ‘we know it better’-attitude of Microsoft, it’s absolutely terrible customer ‘care’ etc. Especially Europeans have enough of this all. The winds of change are already blowing here. It’s not without reason that tighter and tighter privacy laws are implemented in the EU. They are not compatible with the practices of Windows 10 for sure. The general tendency here is an aversion against 10. Maybe in the US it will take longer. Time will tell.
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Noel wrote: “My first responses to the releases of each version of Windows have almost universally been ANYTHING but “rah rah”. Why? Because they did “way too much rush, not enough speed” virtually every time. “Never buy .0 software; always wait for the service pack.’”
A useful reminder that this nonsense did not begin with Satya Nadella. The business model dates back to Bill Gates.
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Here is a funny observation:
The other 43 % do not use Windoze 10.
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