There’s a new “feature” in Win10 Fall Creators Update that automatically restarts every program that was running when you reboot. Which is precisely w
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Win10 1709 programs come back from the dead on reboot
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I don’t know why, but my Win 10 v1709 hasn’t been restarting anything upon reboot/login. I don’t use Apps, and the one App I just tried to leave open as a test – Settings – didn’t come back after rebooting and logging back in.
I wish I could remember how I accomplished that. Maybe I disabled a key scheduled task…
-Noel
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I’m still unclear… Are you saying this entire discussion is about people not being able to differentiate between hibernating and actually shutting down Windows? It can’t really be about hybrid (fast) boot because that comes off more like a logoff + hibernation. Logging off implies applications would not be restarted.
Or are you saying that there’s a subtle difference between the way the reboot happens when hibernation is involved?
In other parts of this thread it appears people are talking about things showing up in the RunOnce registry key. Are you implying those things not being put there when hibernation is disabled?
In any case I just tested with something reported elsewhere to restart when the system is rebooted:
1. I started RegEdit.
2. I used Classic Shell’s Shutdown > Restart menu entry.
3. When the system rebooted, I logged in.
4. RegEdit was not restarted.It could also be Classic Shell’s doing, since others are implying alternate means of shutting down and restarting the system can avert the zombie restoral activity.
-Noel
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Using the command prompt to shutdown or restart will give you a clean boot (no auto-restart of currently-running programs unless they’re in your Startup folder).
Clumsy, but it beats having no alternatives at all… and you can always create shortcuts if you need to save keystrokes.
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Quite correct – as long as you allow the shutdown procedure to complete “normally.”
I’ve seen plenty of situations where that just isn’t possible.
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I get tripped up by that same problem, from time to time….
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Windows 10 is malware.
There… I said it.
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This “feature” does create RunOnce items in the user’s hive.
To check this, launch RegEdit and then shutdown the system.
Boot the system using alternate boot media like a thumbdrive with WinPE.
Load the user’s reg hive and navigate to “Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce”.
You’ll see a value named “Application Restart #0” (reg_sz) with data “C:\Windows\regedit.exe”.
Additional apps will be listed as “Application Restart #1”, “Application Restart #2”, etc.
Not all apps register for this. I tested a small handful of apps and saw the restart happen for Edge, RegEdit, MSPaint, Task Manager, and MSInfo32. But not for IE, File Explorer, Store, or Computer Management.
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The first word that sprang to mind upon reading the Woody on Windows article was unbelievable; then I came to my senses (the few I have left, that is): it’s Microsoft.
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It’s zombie.
On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
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Whenever I read something like this, I am reminded once again of how nice it is to have switched to Linux Mint.
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“Fast Startup” is just a log off and hibernate instead of shutdown (restarting from that is a resume a log back in). The run once key in question will still run in that situation, whether the keys are created in the first place on a “Fast Startup” style shutdown is another question.
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Just wondering if ‘reboot’ means Restart, or Shut down followed by a cold start,
Either, according to the limited documentation.
If the aim (as stated in the official Microsoft answer in the longest thread on this issue) is a “seamless experience”;
Why?
The desire is to create a seamless experience wherein, if you have to reboot a PC, you can pick back up quickly from where you left off and resume being productive. This has far-ranging impacts across the OS (in a good way).then I wonder why enterprise/education have been excepted from this “enhancement”;
Improved Boot Up Experience
Note: The feature is only available on PCs that are not managed by enterprises. This includes home PCs that are sync’d to enterprise (work, school, etc.) email.
Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16251 for PC
(if that is still the case six months later)I just tested restarting with eight apps open, but only two returned (Outlook and Task Manager). It can add a few minutes to startup time in some situations.
ghacks.net claims that Win+D (minimize all apps) followed by Alt-F4 (old-style shutdown dialog) will also workaround the “new behavior” (as well as command line shutdown /p etc.):
Block reopening of Programs on Windows 10 startThe fact that only some apps adopt the “new behavior” will just increase the confusion, as all the usual startup locations will be searched for one or two rogue entries.
I’d love to know whether this proposal was presented to some “leader” without any downside. How could the “pros” possibly outweigh the “cons”? “… and it will be so popular we won’t even need a proper opt-out switch”!
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The desire is to create a seamless experience
The desire is, as in most cases with Windows 10, to think for the user – because MS knows better than we do, what we need, right?
As you pointed out – an on/off switch would be nice. But with the current Settings design giving users all the options (like in the old Control Panel) would mean scrolling 12 screens in each category.
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It became evident over the past twenty years that the attitude of MS and much of the computer industry is that the personal computer user is dumb, clueless, and unable to think. Therefore, the smarter than thou designers and programmers needed to do the thinking. They had to set up and run everything for us. Only they could in their superior wisdom know what was best for us.
Excrement of gentleman cow is the scientific term that describes my response. I am NOT dumb, clueless, and unable to know how I want to use MY computer, thank you MS.
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Why?
The desire is to create a seamless experience wherein, if you have to reboot a PC, you can pick back up quickly from where you left off and resume being productive. This has far-ranging impacts across the OS (in a good way).My first response is to question the given: Why do I HAVE to reboot a PC?
My systems run for weeks and months without reboot. Applications may fail, but it strikes me that if users are primed to accept that an operating system has to be rebooted, then it will become okay for an operating system to have to be rebooted. That has far-ranging impacts that are decidedly NOT in a good way.
We left the days of an OS that requires regular reboots behind with the systems that preceded NT, back in the 1990s.
-Noel
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What is strange, I’ve read read reports of people using computers for Bitcoin mining complaining Win10 is updating/rebooting constantly and not resuming mining afterwards xD. Microsoft :).
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When I was testing Windows 10, there was actually one scenario where this “feature” was useful. Remember that Windows 10 has a penchant for rebooting your PC after installing patches. If you have a program open that’s running a very long operation, Windows 10 will interrupt what it was doing. Before this feature, the OS could reboot in the middle of the night and you’d come back to the computer in the morning, only to realize that you had lost hours of work because the machine had stopped your program and rebooted.
This “feature” actually alleviates that issue… given that you have little control over if and when to reboot your PC after Windows Updates are installed. The desired program picks up where it left off, thus minimizing the time lost.
So the core problem is Microsoft’s insistence on limiting your post-patch rebooting options. This ridiculous “active hours” thing should be given a 24-hour maximum window instead of 10 or 14 hours or whatever it is they have set it to now, so that you can stay in control of when your machine will reboot. Just leave me the heck alone, MS: *I* will reboot my PC when I’m good and ready — bug off!!
And needless to say, the scenarios where it’s useful to have a previously running program launch back up automatically after a reboot are rather limited. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the ratio of cases where this is harmful, versus where it’s useful, is 100 or even 1000 to 1.
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Well, last week I saw a useful open programs resume after a very harmful reboot *during a programming exam* of a colleague.
We had very little time for that exam, and we had to be very focused and time managing. Rebooting in this scenario is what I wanted the least and would be enough for me to kill Win10.
I’m using LMDE2 and this didn’t happen to me
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The desired program picks up where it left off, thus minimizing the time lost.
Are you speaking theoretically? What kind of program are you referring to?
NONE of the programs I have scheduled to run after hours would restart, or even if I wanted to specially code them to do so could easily restart. Usually they’re driven by batch scripts.
How would you restart a system image backup? I guess an incremental file backup might be able to be restarted, but can we be sure that a shutdown in the middle of a large file being copied wouldn’t just leave the backup file truncated? How would you restart a full software source code build? Or the gathering and compilation of a site security blacklist database?
There are use cases – professional ones – where a system rebooting spontaneously would NEVER be reasonable. In those cases the operator traditionally takes charge of applying updates and restarting the system when needed. The real issue is with closing off that possibility entirely.
There are a WHOLE LOT of uses for computers where 24/7 service is useful.
Let us never forget that the “Pro” configuration of the operating system is still the only reasonable small business choice being offered.
-Noel
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Not too many times in 30 years, no.
Windows Updates are generally the only reason any more.
-Noel
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You shouldn’t have to schedule the reboot; Windows should simply let you know that a reboot is needed, then leave it up to you to reboot if or when you choose to.
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18 hours, 14 hours of “active hours” — pffft, BFD. Nothing less than 24 hours is acceptable. Better yet, just scrap the whole “active hours” concept and return control of the process to us. Users should not have to adjust their schedule around Microsoft’s wishes. Mapping out the next week to figure out when will be a good time to reboot my computer because the Redmond nannies said it was time to do so, is something that I have ZERO interest in.
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Come on! Don’t be so ungrateful, people!
Microsoft has given you an “advanced Windows Update feature” and you complain?
Just close any app you don’t want on restart and – Voila! Case solved and closed!
As always Microsoft knows, what’s best for you!
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… if you hear a dripping sound, it may be my (poor) sarcasm.
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Surely this practice is unsafe for any OS in general?
What if you get a virus/exploit or malware that requires a reboot to activate infecting programs that startup, this ‘feature’ in itself is a potential security risk, or am I missing something?
I can see ransomware using this ‘feature’ as an attack vector in future, specifically for W10.
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I actually love this feature.
It’s good to hear perspectives from all directions.
Can you describe your use case?
If you’re shutting down the system and expecting things to be running again when you start it back up, why not just go into sleep or hibernation? Are there situations where the OS is corrupted or something and you HAVE to reboot it?
-Noel
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If a program hangs up, sometimes the only way to end the hangup is a reboot or shutdown. Does that mean every time you restart Win10 will intentionally re-hang the program? And the only way out is reinstall Win10?
Reinstall Windows 7 would be a better, more merciful toward your peace of mind (and blood pressure) choice.
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If something runs in a loop, or is on a loop, it runs continuously, so that the same things are repeated again and again.
“To prevent cyclical restarts, the system will only restart the application if it has been running for a minimum of 60 seconds”
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa373347(v=vs.85).aspxAnyhow, I can’t stand this kind of c***. That’s why I go through all scheduled tasks and services after every main update. Specially when there are random named suffixes.
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If I wanted my apps to stay running, I would use the hibernate feature (or hybrid sleep). That’s what it’s for.
They already have a feature that preloads them into memory, ready to activate if you need them. It’s been standard since at least Windows 7, if not Vista. But actually running them is too far.
But then, what do I expect from an OS that can’t figure out how to update components that can be restarted without restarting the whole system? Or that puts out 4 GB “updates” every so often that take hours to install, and then require you to fix everything back to the way you had it? Or that make everything cumulative so that updates will always get bigger?
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On my daughter’s desktop, w10 pro, freshly updated to 1709. Was watching Netflix. Was tired, stopped the movie, shut down the computer. When restarted, 2 days later, it opened the Netflix interface. Local account here. run as admin as well.
The 1709 version ruined the network usb d-link adaptator. The only driver I found, to have a decent internet speed, was a 2016 driver, for w8. And pc went from 130 mbits/s to 80 bits/s. (download) One most recent driver was a bit better, 110 on download but only 2 instead 20 on upload. No good. *sighs* I’ll have to buy another d-link adaptater, fully w10 compatible it seems. I hate window 10. . My daughter has no choice for the OS, as she runs many 3d heavy softwares. For myself, I finally quit windows to get Apple devices. ipad mini, macbook pro and imac. Too expensive, I know, but it suits to me perfectly. Thanks Woody to let us informed!
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I’m the Jan 24 anon poster #161781. (I have tried and tried to register here but I never get the email although I regularly get other email in the account I tried to register with here).
Anyhow, Noel said earlier in this thread that it could be third party Start menu programs that are the reason why some are not getting zombies on reboot. So, I repeated the test I reported on above on Jan 24. This time, I did NOT use Start10 to initiate rebooting. I instead switched to the builtin Windows 10 Start menu and rebooted from it.
I did not have Windows stop the reboot and ask for me to cancel and to go back and close MSPaint and Task Manager before trying again to reboot. Instead reboot proceeded as though I had not left programs open. To my dismay, there was MSPaint and Task Manager sitting open on my screen after rebooting. Fx was NOT open in the taskbar as I had left it but was closed.
Am I glad I have Start10! (I could not have used Windows 8.0 Pro for five years if I had not gotten Start8 so I am quite grateful to Stardock as without Windowblinds on both OSes as well Start8/10 I would not have a Windows computer since XP Pro days).
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We have had a few reports lately of issues with emails not being received upon registration – I suggest you email Woody.
This recent thread discussed the same problem.
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