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    Setting up (in work shop) an older Dell 8200 (Service Tag G7VWZ01) with a new HD and have Win2K Pro and Win XP HE. Have a lot of experience with W2K pro and none with Win XP. The Dell has only 512MB of memory now.

    The question is which OS may serve best. I have no experience with Win XP and have heard some bad ‘mouth about it. Comments please and thanks a lot.
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    Ray/FL

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    • #1254092

      Ray,

      I’m assuming that this is a standalone, i.e. not connected to a LAN. In that case I’d choose XP as the OS. It is still supported and has all the latest security patches available. Also, a much larger base of programs to run on it including a whole raft of free stuff that works great. Of course, this is My Opinion and I’m sure you’ll get lots of others. YMMV.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #1254093

      Along the same lines as RetiredGeek, in that how much connectivity to LANs and the Intenet is it going to have, what programs are going to be running, etc. Win2K is two support stages behind, whereas XP is still supported but even there, Microsoft is releasing programs that only work in 7 and not XP (the reason I say XP is one stage behind now).
      The only reason I can think of to run Win2KPro is if its more of a business computer that is running older business software that is compatible and is more or less a standalone system.

    • #1254125

      Today I follow your suggestions and installed Win XP. By the time I read the responses I had begun the install for W2K but stopped it, cleaned up the partial install and started over clean and fresh. My first experience with Win XP and I like it very much. I have Win 7 as my main machine and love it much. Thanks for the brief and rich help.
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      Ray/FL

    • #1254127

      Setting up (in work shop) an older Dell 8200 (Service Tag G7VWZ01) with a new HD and have Win2K Pro and Win XP HE. Have a lot of experience with W2K pro and none with Win XP. The Dell has only 512MB of memory now.

      The question is which OS may serve best. I have no experience with Win XP and have heard some bad ‘mouth about it. Comments please and thanks a lot.
      ……..
      Ray/FL

      I installed Win XP today and want to add some additional memory but find it difficult to shop for. Can anyone point the way to a good source to deal with and for a fair price. Thanks for the help gentlemen.
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      Ray/FL

      • #1254166

        I installed Win XP today and want to add some additional memory but find it difficult to shop for. Can anyone point the way to a good source to deal with and for a fair price. Thanks for the help gentlemen.
        ………..
        Ray/FL

        For many years I’ve used Crucial.com[/url]. Their pricing is competitive. The memory is guaranteed to work with your system. No hassle returns.

        Joe

        --Joe

    • #1254128

      Ray,

      It may take a while but be sure you run windows update over and over {rebooting after each cycle even if it doesn’t force you to} until it tells you that there are no more critical and/or important updates!

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #1254172

      Ray,

      If my old memory is working {the stuff between the ears} the Dell 8200 had RDRAM? If that is correct you’re in for a big surprise. I had an old Dell, I think it was an 8200, with RDRAM I was going to upgrade for VISTA. Found out, via Crucial.com, that it would cost me 2K to upgrade to 2Gb of RDRAM. Needless to say that computer was donated and I got a brand spankin’ new Dell with Quad core processor, larger faster HD, better Video Card (to handle Aero), etc. This machine is the one I’m now running w/Win-7 64Bit just fine. So you may want to rethink the upgrade. Just another note, if you do get a new machine check out how many memory slots it has and how much memory Dell puts in it. I did the research and bought this machine with the minimum, then immediately ordered 4Gb from Crucial. Had the Crucial memory when the Dell was delivered, tossed the dell memory in the parts bin and installed the Crucial. All for much less money than Dell wanted for an upgrade to 4Gb.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #1254175

      Based on a little research, I too think that there may be RDRAM in that system.

      For a time it was discontinued and became very scarce and prices went through the roof as RetiredGeek says. Hoever I’m wondering if now that there is practically no demand at all, prices may have dropped way back down again…if its available at all.

      Check out this link, http://www.rdram4less.com/dedi818240fs.html and see if it or some similar product fits your system’s requirement. Can’t vouce for the site but its a Yahoo affilitate so it looks legitimate to me.

      • #1254185

        Based on a little research, I too think that there may be RDRAM in that system.

        For a time it was discontinued and became very scarce and prices went through the roof as RetiredGeek says. Hoever I’m wondering if now that there is practically no demand at all, prices may have dropped way back down again…if its available at all.

        Check out this link, http://www.rdram4less.com/dedi818240fs.html and see if it or some similar product fits your system’s requirement. Can’t vouce for the site but its a Yahoo affilitate so it looks legitimate to me.

        It does use rdram and I’m checking with the company suggested. The service tag is G7VWZ01. It appears they offer for less. Thanks for the tip.

    • #1254208

      Ray,

      Byron is correct. I entered your service tag at the dell site and it showed you are using 400 MHz RDRAM. Your machine has 4 slots {memory goes in in pairs} and the max memory the machine will handle is 2Gb. For Win XP 1Gb should be just fine if you add one of the sets offered at the site Byron provided you should have more than enough to have a responsive system. Unless you do some very memory intensive tasks like creating videos and/or editing large photos in TIFF or RAW formats then you may want to get two sets and chuck your current ram.

      Edit: Here is the link to the Crucial entry on your machine, they don’t have any in stock but the link has some good information about your machine and memory in general.

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #1254228

      Now a new problem with the install of Win XP on a clean HD. I had to accept (on install setup) just one partition (of 140 GB size drive). Thought I could later partition within Win XP but don’t find a way to do so. Is there a program to DL that will partition with the OS install already on the drive and also make the few additional partitions desired on the HD? Again thanks.
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      Ray/FL

    • #1254234

      Is there a program to DL that will partition with the OS install already on the drive and also make the few additional partitions desired on the HD? Again thanks.

      Yes,

      http://www.partition-tool.com/

    • #1254238

      No sooner do I get a solution to a problem or question when another problem pops up. Recall please the OS installed is Win XP and now problems with it are acting out. During today, the second day building the completed install, the OS just drops dead as if the power plug was pulled and first it would start up but on the second and third the start-up was less simple. After several restarts it began to run fine and then it would drop dead again.

      There is not an indication of why or what went wrong. The last drop dead was several minuets into a DL from Windows Up Date. Today drivers were installed and Firefox and Thunderbird was installed but there is no correlation with any one program or thing. Any suggestion of what is going on or what I can do to fix it or how to deal with it. I am so accustomed to stability in the OS and this is throwing me big time. HELP please

      Since posting all above this point I have tried several times to restart. It goes through till the main first page is on and the loading indicator is ‘bouncing’ across the bottom However the background is all a series of vertical lines. The page for Window XP drops away and only the lines remain and the computer freezes. On occasion the menu page for various safe modes appear and when one is selected it will start up. I just read Gerald’s comments and will work the ones out I can.

      Will Win XP repair similar to W2K?

      ……….
      Ray/FL

    • #1254249

      Hi Ray,

      The symptoms may or may not be related to the OS. I would open the PC case and make sure every power and data connect point is firmly attached. Something may have come loose when you changed out the hard drive. Also check your ram sticks by removing them and reseating them in their slots. Make sure the heat sink and fan on your CPU are firmly in place and free of dust. A good can of compressed air made for the job can be found at any computer shop, Walmart, Office Depot, etc. If the CPU heatsink/fan are clogged, your PC may be shutting down to protect it from damage.

      It is also possible that your power supply is on its way out.

      • #1254264

        Hi Ray,

        The symptoms may or may not be related to the OS. I would open the PC case and make sure every power and data connect point is firmly attached. Something may have come loose when you changed out the hard drive. Also check your ram sticks by removing them and reseating them in their slots. Make sure the heat sink and fan on your CPU are firmly in place and free of dust. A good can of compressed air made for the job can be found at any computer shop, Walmart, Office Depot, etc. If the CPU heatsink/fan are clogged, your PC may be shutting down to protect it from damage.

        It is also possible that your power supply is on its way out.

        I have tried several times to restart the computer. It goes through till the main first page is on and the loading indicator is ‘bouncing’ across the bottom However the background is all a series of vertical blue lines on a black background. The page for Window XP drops away and only the lines remain and the computer freezes. On occasion the menu page for various safe modes appear and when one is selected it will start up. Does this information still make your suggestions valid.
        Will Win XP repair similar to W2K?

      • #1254365

        Hi Ray,

        The symptoms may or may not be related to the OS. I would open the PC case and make sure every power and data connect point is firmly attached. Something may have come loose when you changed out the hard drive. Also check your ram sticks by removing them and reseating them in their slots. Make sure the heat sink and fan on your CPU are firmly in place and free of dust. A good can of compressed air made for the job can be found at any computer shop, Walmart, Office Depot, etc. If the CPU heatsink/fan are clogged, your PC may be shutting down to protect it from damage.

        It is also possible that your power supply is on its way out.

        Gerald,
        Today I opened the case and went item by item down your list to consider each item and did not find a problem. I had checked the case and cleaned it throughout earlier but did it all again. After reading your comments I had to agree that all of the items mentioned should be checked. I felt you were very close to something that had to be checked.

        I could not (don’t know how to) check the power supply but did find a problem with the power cord being used. That cord would make and break so I replaced it with one that is good.

        I tried to start the computer again and now get to a DOS menu to start as usual or in safe mode each time. It will start up in safe mode just as it would yesterday. It appears the OS may be damaged but I don’t know Win XP. It is not going to run as it is apparently. Hope someone that knows this OS can point a way for me. Thanks to everyone and now there are several.
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        Ray/FL

    • #1254542

      Ray,

      Win XP is a ‘Plug N Play” operating system, meaning that XP actively hunts for devices within your computer & wants to install the drivers to those devices when installing. A lot of the time, XP is wrong in it’s selection of drivers, ok? But, XP still installs these drivers, therefore conflicts arise & cause complete havoc with your computer, like wanting to go into Safe Mode. Safe Mode is the computer’s way of telling you something is wrong & it protects itself, so you can fix it. Just a reminder, when doing troubleshooting in Safe Mode, only the most basic of computer components will work. CD ROMS or DVD ROMS will NOT work in Safe Mode.

      I believe what is happening now, is that your Device Manager is ‘overloaded’ with an excessive amount of devices listed & they are ‘conflicting’ with each other. One question, did you install the device drivers for your Dell? As I stated earlier, WinXP does tend to ‘find’ it’s own solutions to device drivers & sometimes XP is wrong, ok? Sounds strange, but installing a new HD & your OS is basically the same, as building your own computer from scratch. One of the most important points, when installing an OS from scratch, is to remember after the install, to make sure that all of the devices on your computer have their own drivers installed. Dell has a “Recovery CD”, if you still have that CD find the ‘drivers’ & install them. If, you did use your Recovery CD, XP still tries to find ‘certified drivers’ & will list them in Device Manager. Believe me, this can be frustrating getting this issue resolved. Been there, done that. But, when you learn how to troubleshoot this issue, it honestly is well worth it.

      If, you didn’t use the Dell Recovery CD, then go to the Dell website, type in your Service Tag Number & download all of the device drivers for your computer model. If, possible download drivers onto floppy disks, if the amount is less than 1.4MB. I know…Floppy Disks???!!! This old standby come in mighty handy when trying to troubleshoot in Safe Mode, since only the Floppy Disk works in Safe Mode, ok? If, you don’t have any old Floppy Disks around or the size of the download is too large, than put them on a CD, so you can install the drivers meant for your computer. Trust me, it can be done, I have repaired Dells for family & friends, & that is the first place I go for device drivers, since most have lost their Dell Recovery CD. You can also find out what kind of memory you will need to try & upgrade it. You might not be able to upgrade your memory, many times older motherboards have memory limits. So, if you want to know for sure, check that out at Dell’s website.

      If, you have never ‘messed’ with Device Manager, it can be scary. However, in my experience “Nothing ventured, Nothing gained.” My feeling is, so you screwed up, you can always re-format your HD & start from scratch. In all honesty, that is how I learned to troubleshoot Windows Operating Systems installs. I can’t tell you how many times, I installed & re-formatted my HD with Win 95, but it was this frustration that taught me how to troubleshoot installing operating systems. Yes, Win XP is more complicated than win 95, but basic installation troubleshooting is very similar. It was Win 95 that taught me well.

      Look at your Device Manager in Safe Mode. Check all of the categories by clicking on the + sign. When you see a whole list of devices, especially those that look really strange to you, remove them. Sometimes, you have to remove every device listed in the category, to make headway. Especially look at Network Adapters, Display Adapters, Sound, video & game controllers & Monitors. System Devices also, is a culprit, but that is a really tough one to correct, unless you have ‘fixed’ the other categories.

      Not sure, if I have helped you, but I really do think this is what is happening to your computer, at this point in time.

      Mickey aka MmeMoxie

    • #1254826

      Need to update this saga event Today I’m working on building a system that is working as it should but it hasn’t been easy. This post is about the second install while all of the thread before this point is about the first install. After my post #17 where I checked for tight and clean case content it remained crippled and very unstable. I attempted to partition the remaining part of the C: drive and it would not stay up to get it done. I attempted to check the disk and the system would crash. I attempted a major repair with the install disk and even that would stall to a stop before the drive was checked. I was ready to give up on WinXP and go back to W2K that I know but the latest issue of Window Secrets came in with a major report by Fred Langa on Win XP. After reading it for about two hours I changed my mind and decided to work more on doing Win XP and now I’m glad I did.

      Briefly I deleted C: and installed an all new copy of Win XP and firstly just DLed Windowes updates. And they all went fine through Service Pack 3 and all Critical updates. (The first install would not accept even Service Pack 2) Mid way through this process I tried Disk Check and it worked but very slowly. Drivers were installed at this point. After the second install not one crash or complaint. I’m going to get a bit more memory and use it in the shop.

      I owe a big thank you to this group and this WS news letter for all of the rich help offered. Again Thanks a Lot.
      ……….
      Ray/FL

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