We've been all wrong – Windows 10 is THE BEST Windows ever

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Interesting study:

https://blogs.windows.com/business/2017/04/04/updated-forrester-study-finds-windows-10-can-increase-roi-enterprises/

I guess the fact it was “on behalf of Microsoft” has absolutely no relevance here :).

I’d be particularly interested how it is possible to shorten “installation IT time” from 60 minutes to… 5 minutes :).

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I largely agree with your skepticism . . .

But I will say that our initial testing for rolling out Windows 10 ENT from a golden master image (said image includes large design applications pre-installed) onto high end workstations with SSD main drives via fast Ethernet or USB 3.0 is taking 4 to 7 minutes total once we boot into the imaging boot utility.

Now creating that golden image took a bit longer . . .  [grin]

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I can agree that deploying images might take a few minutes, but that wouldn’t be much different to deploying Win 7 or Win 8.1 images? At least in my company deploying 8.1 & 10 images looks the same.

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radosuaf wrote:

I can agree that deploying images might take a few minutes, but that wouldn’t be much different to deploying Win 7 or Win 8.1 images? At least in my company deploying 8.1 & 10 images looks the same.

For images to matching hardware, it’s about the same time to copy and boot and finish sysprep OOB on each machine for Windows 7 (we skipped 8 and 8.1) as it is for Windows 10.

For our golden image to dis-similar hardware workstations, deploying Win 10 images are MUCH faster than Win 7 – and far less prone to driver issues where we previously had to force driver updates after image deployment.

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NetDef wrote:

For our golden image to dis-similar hardware workstations, deploying Win 10 images are MUCH faster than Win 7 – and far less prone to driver issues where we previously had to force driver updates after image deployment.

This is simply because the system is newer and more drivers are bundled with it – so nothing special about Windows 10 itself. I suppose you could just slipstream repective drivers into W7 image and get more or less the same result.

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I wonder how much Microsoft paid Forrester for this “study”?

Here is the real meat of the Forrester “study”:

This study is commissioned by Microsoft and delivered by Forrester Consulting. It is not meant to be used as a competitive analysis.

Forrester makes no assumptions as to the potential ROI that other organizations will receive. Forrester strongly advises that readers use their own estimates within the framework provided in the report to determine the appropriateness of an investment in Microsoft Windows 10.

Microsoft reviewed and provided feedback to Forrester, but Forrester maintains editorial control over the study and its findings and does not accept changes to the study that contradict Forrester’s findings or obscure the meaning of the study.

Microsoft provided the customer names for the interviews but did not participate in the interviews. (In other words, Microsoft cherry-picked the “best” customers for the interviews.)

It is telling that Microsoft could come up with only one “study” to show the benefits of Windows 10.

If Microsoft would spend more money creating something their customers actually want, and less money creating the perception that Windows 10 is something that their customers want, we would all be a lot better off.

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https://wincom.blob.core.windows.net/documents/Windows%2010%20TEI%20Study.pdf

The GM of IT services for a national public health department summarized how quickly
it was able to deploy Windows 10 (which it started in early November
2015): “By the end of November, we already had over a thousand
employees that had upgraded with the self-serve option. In December,
we moved well past 25% of all employees once we started overnight,
unattended upgrades. It gives you an idea of how quickly we can
deploy.”
Organization can also save installation time for new hardware purchases
— with its volume licensing program that includes Software Assurance, it
has standardized on Windows 10 Enterprise edition. Organization, with
the correct authorization and license keys, can “flip the bit” to enable
Enterprise edition on new desktops, laptops, and tablets without
reimaging the devices received from hardware vendors (OEMs).
It also estimates that IT effort required for OS deployment has reduced
from nearly an hour to just 5 minutes, on average, per client device, due
to increased self-service installation, unattended installation, and
integration with System Center Configuration Manager, enabling the IT
team to automate deployment by “waking” client devices overnight and
initiating installation. “For the Windows 7 program over the course of
years, we would have had hundreds of people at any one time engaged
against it,” said the GM of IT services for the public health department,
“[With Windows 10], the upgrade has been very seamless, and we
achieved this with the core team of five people.”

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We had a team of 3 people coming from our IT Dept. in another city for 3 days to deploy Win 10 on 20-30 machines (which were pretty standarised Thinkpads T4x0s with standard software suite). So YMMV, to say the least.

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I think it is safe to assert that MS’s only concern is Enterprise and Cloud Solutions. The remaining products/service revsolve themselves as beta testing in a worldwide distributed effort to evolve MS’s ROI.

Naive perhaps, tin foil perhaps, but the old adage is “if you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.” They just took that adage and rammed into a EULA and TOS.

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