Several of you have written to tell me that you can’t download Susan Bradley’s Master Patch List. There’s a reason for that. We’re gradually enforcing
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Thanks Woody.
Is there, or could there be please, a way of showing within our profile when we last made a donation? I appreciate I can go back through credit card statements (if it’s clearly named), but I don’t want to miss annual renewals and let it lapse to the point where my status changes, so it would be handy to get a prompt within the profile whenever the anniversary has come round and another donation is due.
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While I completely understand about the newsletter being premium content and would understand it being fully for actual paying members, locking the MPL this way seems to me to take away a core part of the site is about from regular (in the sense of common, not necessarily regularly returning, though of course that as well) visitors. And for that matter, the first bad move there was moving it to a downloadable file instead of a regular page…
— Cavalary
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I agree, particularly on the change of format to a downloadable file. I would prefer to have access to the MPL also in the old way, through a regular Web page, because the file now needs downloading before it can be read comfortably, as the writing appears in tiny letters if one tries to read it directly, without downloading it. I believe that it should be possible to convert the PDF or Excel file to html. If so, that will be something both helpful and worth doing, in my opinion.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
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Woody, I really don’t think that restricting access to the Master Patch List is a good idea. The only way that would make sense would be if the entire site here was restricted to Plus Membership users (not that I’m suggesting that). As long as the site — and these discussion forums — are open to one and all, then limiting who can access the MPL is just going to cause confusion and needless question-and-answer threads. For example,
Hey, does anybody know if KBxxxxxxx is safe to install yet? How many updates were released last month for Win 8/8.1? What’s the latest security-only update for Win 7 this month? Does anyone know why some folks here are saying to hold off on installing KBxxxxxxx for Office 2016? How many security-only patches were released for Office 2013 last month, and are they all considered OK to install now? etc. etc.
You get the idea. These forums are going to be flooded with questions like my examples above. And all for no reason. They are all questions that are answered by looking thru Susan’s Master Patch List. Clogging up the forums with needless Q&A threads like that just doesn’t seem practical or productive. I wish you would really reconsider that plan.
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Hi everyone,
I completely understand that AskWoody needs to be able to pay its bills. Signing up and donating to AskWoody isn’t rocket science. For me, it was money well spent. I hope that everyone, after browsing the forum categories, after seeing what knowledge is available, and also seeing how others take the time help others, would consider it to be a no-brainer to sign up and donate to the continuing existence of AskWoody.
Oh, and what else is now GONE from the forum? Advertising! If you want to see how incredibly disrupting and intrusive inline advertising on a website can be, simply visit space.com for a really bad taste for how the AskWoody forum could readily choose to pay its bills. So ask yourself, is it worth having an incredibly useful and helpful forum which you can enjoy, and in which you are not inundated by advertising? I certainly hope so.
Sign up. Make a donation and earn Premium Membership. You will get a Badge next to your avatar which shows that you are a Premium Member and that you do care about this extremely helpful forum. Your Badge shows everyone that you are not dirt cheap!
Susan spends a lot of time creating and vetting her Master Patch Lists. She and others also spend a lot of time researching and writing their very informative Newsletter articles. So yeah, I think that Susan’s Master Patch List should be available only to the forum’s Plus members, given that Woody has killed all forum third party advertising.
This forum will be useless to everyone if it does not survive. I hope that everyone thinks of this forum as a history book which is continuously being written, such that it is an ongoing and living and valuable archive of information which continues to help all of us. I hope that everyone who posts useful information or posts helpful information for others, will realize that they do become a part of this forum’s living history which, collectively, all of us are writing.
In summary, I have two very simple questions for everyone who is not a Plus member. If this forum is really useful to you, would you like this forum to survive? If you want this forum to survive, are you willing to help this forum survive in whatever modest way that you can and which is within your means?
Woody created AskWoody to help others. I pray that all of us will Pay It Forward by financially supporting this forum and Woody’s vision.
Best regards,
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Oh, and what else is now GONE from the forum? Advertising! If you want to see how incredibly disrupting and intrusive inline advertising on a website can be, simply visit space.com for a really bad taste for how the AskWoody forum could readily choose to pay its bills. So ask yourself, is it worth having an incredibly useful and helpful forum which you can enjoy, and in which you are not inundated by advertising? I certainly hope so.
I didn’t mind the ads here at all. They were actually USEFUL and I hate ads usually and block them (with a few exceptions) since I got my first computer in 1999 (back then blocked with the Proxomitron). I made a point here though to exclude this site from ad blockers I have for various browsers (Proxo made it all the way through Windows XP but when I got Windows 8, I had to find other blockers). Plus, I did the Amazon thing here also but I avoid shopping on the internet as delivery is frequently torture here on the Big Island so I doubt my doing that helped this site much at all…but I tried and I did click on the ads every time I came here.
Sites like space.com (which I had never heard of until now) I would never visit after the first visit where the site tells me to turn off my ad blocker as it just did on my default browser Basilisk. Well, actually, if I really wanted to visit that site, I would simply visit it on a browser that doesn’t need an ad blocker but ads are always blocked. I just went there on that browser and could see the whole site with no ads. We are in the middle of a major turning point for the internet and I’m not going to help turn the net into paywalled sites as representative of the vast majority of sites. I fear that is the future of the internet and that is very sad given Web1 which was so exciting and such a breath of fresh air for the world.
As for Susan’s Master Patch List, it is not just for Enterprise. I used it a lot because I have Windows Updates disabled and I update 1803 via reading her list (and Woody’s posts) and then I go to the Microsoft catalog and download what I need.
Of course, this site is very useful but what about all the other very useful sites that are now paywalled where you cannot choose to see ads instead of paying? I’m not starting down that road of painfully picking and choosing which I can and cannot afford to pay to see. So, I say bring back the ads so I can see Susan’s list (I don’t particularly care about the newsletter so if I never see it that is ok).
So, yeah, I will “pay it forward” if you bring back the ads that I can deliberately click on.
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Is there, or could there be please, a way of showing within our profile when we last made a donation? I appreciate I can go back through credit card statements (if it’s clearly named), but I don’t want to miss annual renewals and let it lapse to the point where my status changes, so it would be handy to get a prompt within the profile whenever the anniversary has come round and another donation is due.
The information is there already. Go to My account, Subscriptions – you will see the list of payments made (but no date). Press the View button for your Active subscription and the Last Order Date (start date) and the End Date (due date) will show. My end date is in January 2020.
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I agree with GTP and I also can see the dilemma that Tom-R refers to about the MPL. Personally I always contributed to WS and now to AW because it’s worth it to keep it going.
Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does
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I am trying to figure out how to renew my Plus subscription. I don’t see any way to renew it early. My subscription expires on 2020-01-15. I would like to have the ability to renew it before then, and for another year.
Or perhaps I click on the JOIN TODAY! link so that I can renew my subscription? Inquiring minds might want to know how to renew subscriptions.
Update…
I clicked on the Join Today link, and I easily renewed my Plus subscription via Paypal. Wow. That was easy and painless.
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Just as a point of interest, that “Click here for details and to sign up” link for Plus memberships on each AskWoody page, can be used for donating also, without subscribing – just untick the Subscription button.
So for those with a lifetime subscription, it’s still possible for them to contribute to keep the site afloat that way
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It extends one year from the date you renewed on. I renewed early.
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I agree about the MPL, because it provides the kind of information that people would come here to get, in one place and right away, on most known problems, or the lack of them, for example with the latest Windows patches. Whether they come regularly, as I do myself, or occasionally, they would be doing so as long as it is freely available. Paywalls tend to discourage people form accessing newspaper’s sites on a casual basis; this can happen also with useful sites such as this, and more’s the pity. There is also the possible fallout of MVPs having to answer more questions on things where the information is available only to Premium loungers, as others have pointed out. However, I also think that paywalling the Newsletter to incentivize people to become paying users might not be such a bad idea, as long as those articles about actual and serious problems with updates and other MS software and, or existing serious malware threats afoot, are not excluded from the main page of this site for all to read. After all we have not had a Newsletter for years, and who ever stopped using Woody’s because of that? The only (bad) difference would have been if the kind of information I have just mentioned would have been made available only to registered loungers and not to “anonymous” ones as well.
Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).
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The AskWoody link for Amazon was drawing a whopping $13/month before I finally gave up on it.
I dropped Google ads as well.
Somebody has to pay the bills. It’s been coming out of my pocket. If there’s enough community support to keep AskWoody going, that’s great. If there isn’t, I don’t have much choice.
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All in, the site and newsletter cost more than $10,000/month
So.. what you’re saying is you’ve been paying the majority of that out of pocket all this time? That’s way more than I would have expected.
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Much more than the majority
You’re a good man, Woody. I take back what I said, you do whatever you have to do. That’s a ton of money for one man to be putting into a website. I’m thankful just to be able to participate here at all.
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If anyone believes their account is not correctly displaying their valid Plus subscription/membership (i.e the badge isn’t showing on their avatar, and they can’t access the Master Patch List), please contact CustomerSupport with your account name, and the details of your subscription, as well as your subscription email address.
It is possible that some accounts aren’t correctly showing a valid Plus status, in a limited number of cases – hey, it is technology, after all
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I agree with the move to put the Master Patch List in the paid area. It is probably of most use to enterprise users rather than individuals, in which case they can get their company to pay the small subscription amount if they are unwilling/unable to pay it themselves.
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Thank you for making this helpful website available.
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geekdom wrote:
Thank you for making this helpful website available.+1
A few simple thoughts from a long-time fan:
I love this site… it rocks!
And I love woody for building it and maintaining it… woody rocks! (yep, pretty sure that’s an oxymoron, just let it go)
Bills gotta be paid. Sure, site-associated hardware and hosting and web development and ???… but also other somewhat important stuff, like rent or a mortgage, utilities, food for the family, healthcare, etc.
This site is a fantastic resource, with good people and great content… and it is in all of our best interests, folks, for woody to make the changes he needs to make to keep it going, under his control, without bankrupting himself and his family’s future.
Yes, like many here I’ve benefited from having access to susan’s master patch list (the force is strong in that one – there’s a reason she gets to hang with yoda), but I also remember well that a short 18 months ago her “patch watch” column was posted behind a paywall on a different site – available only to those paying for access…
https://www.askwoody.com/2018/breaking-susan-bradley-to-contribute-to-the-askwoody-site/
So, woody, thank you for bringing susan’s sage advice and patch pronouncements to askwoody – and thank you, susan, for your effort and insight! Although restricting the master patch list to paying members may generate more questions as noted above by Tom-R, hopefully it will also generate more revenue from those able and willing to pay for continued access to susan’s specific patch recommendations.
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That’s quite correct. Susan’s Patch Watch column ran for many years in the paid Windows Secrets Newsletter, which cost $39/year. The volume of patches has increased enormously since then – as has the severity of the bugs.
When Susan was putting together the HTML-based version of the Patch Lists, she spent hours and hours (and hours!) wrangling with the unfriendliness of HTML. Most of you can identify with that. The switch to spreadsheets was inevitable.
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Woody I support the changes you indicated and agree with samak’s comments above. There might however, be some confusion with open posts and closed newsletter (even if justclosed for a week). For example the newsletter article may already address a poster’s question. Perhaps if a new post is posted in reference to a newsletter, a note at the top of the post indicating something like comments are in reference to askwoody newsletter available to plus members (open to all after a week or whatever is appropriate at that time)
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This will be an interesting ride! I can sort of visualize questions raised in the “open” Lounge being partly replied to in the Lounge and partly replied via referral to “closed” Newsletter(s) and MPL. Said differently, if a non-Plus visitor raises a question in the Lounge, he/she won’t (or may not) get the full answer without signing up to Plus. As mentioned, confusion could be the result. Or visitors going elsewhere as I doubt they’ll wait a week or so to get access…
Don’t get me wrong, this site is great and it saved my butt during a recent migration from W7 to W10. And I think a donation/subscription model is indeed reasonable. However, the way it’s implemented is of the essence. Personally (imho) I think an “open” model may be better and I would be happy to donate extra $$$ if it stayed that way. Just one small voice…
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It’s a real quandary. Paul solved it by having “Premium” posts and two tracks of comments on all articles (Paid and Free). But that has problems, too.
As for keeping it all open and relying on donations… man, I wish! My experiences to date tell me that won’t even come close to matching expenses.
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It’s already there at the foot of the newsletter as well as the General Rules
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Consider placing copyright on the website home page, not just the newsletter.
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The Plus Membership benefits are listed as:
As an AskWoody Plus member, you receive:
- One year of the full AskWoody Plus Newsletter — weekly, in-depth PC info and help from experts you trust, with clear explanations for all versions of Windows, Office, and beyond
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Most of all, your Plus subscription helps our efforts to hold Microsoft accountable to all Windows and Office customers. Through your support, AskWoody remains a fiercely independent voice in an increasingly sycophantic tech world. We’ve got your back.
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I have no problem with paying for access to the Patch Watch advice (as other have pointed out, it was paid for in Windows Secrets). It is probably the most valuable single feature of AskWoody to me.
At the end of the day, there are three ways to fund valuable information (if, as Woody says, charity does not work here). You can pay for it, ads can fund it or you can allow providers to collect your personal data and sell it. There are no ads on this site and, to my knowledge, Woody does not collect and monetise any of our personal data and I am happy for both of those conditions to remain. That leaves paying for it.
There are no free lunches, and I pay for mine with cash.
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Those are good questions, but the real issue is, how do we all keep this site alive and going?
Woody doesn’t currently do auto-renew. So I suggest doing as I do — whenever you find some particularly great content that you know you could never get anywhere else, use the method mentioned in Kirsty’s post above – go to:
That “Click here for details and to sign up” link for Plus memberships on each AskWoody page, can be used for donating also, without subscribing – just untick the Subscription button (which appears on the next page after you have selected the amount, and where you select the method).
and Donate!
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people wish to make money for their efforts so they can put food on the table and keep the lights onHmmmm, for most people I know that’s not quite right. Maybe try this:
“peoplewishneed to make money for their efforts so they can put food on the table and keep the lights on”
Yes, that’s better. FTFYBut seriously, dude, with respect, it isn’t clear at all to me why the particular details of whatever legal structures woody has been advised to use for whatever business entities woody has been advised to create to support his business activities should matter much to any of us. IMHO that’s really between him and his legal advisor and his accountant.
Stated differently, regardless of whether woody is currently losing significant amounts of money running this site as a commercial/for-profit entity (more likely) or as a non-profit entity (less likely), from my perspective what really matters is this: _WOODY IS CURRENTLY LOSING MONEY RUNNING THIS SITE!_
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the real issue is, how do we all keep this site alive and going?+1
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Hmmmm, for most people I know that’s not quite right. Maybe try this:
“peoplewishneed to make money for their efforts so they can put food on the table and keep the lights on”
Yes, that’s better. FTFYWith 60 books for sale on Amazon.com and regular columns published at Computerworld and ITworld, I don’t think Woody needs profits from this site to keep food on the table.
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But it still stands to reason Woody is under no obligation to keep spending money on the site and the newsletter without expecting at least some of his efforts (and the rest of the Ask Woody team) to be fairly compensated. This means making some content subscription-only. Voluntary donations just don’t cut it.
-- rc primak
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AskWoody LLC is a for-profit that isn’t making a profit. Tax returns and all.
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Coming from the WS site I paid for a subscription NOT for the not so good newsletter ( at least toward the end) but to support the Lounge. ( the user friendly features of which I sorely miss, finding what I had not read was soooo much less time consuming with the WS s/w ) I will do so here for the forum and the MPL. I for one do not mind advertising if it does not bog down my browser, in many sites that is a problem, dozens of scripting sites added on makes for a weary experience. Any way Woody keep up the good work!
Just because you don't know where you are going doesn't mean any road will get you there.
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Oh for Pete’s sake, pay for the d**n service people. No one is asking anyone to break the bank but after hearing how much Woody is putting out monthly to provide everyone with this site, the least people who come here could do is contribute to the upkeep. I fully support a paid subscription model. Do it. Think of what all the advice you’re getting here is really worth monetarily. Why should those who are taking their time to provide the knowledge give it for free? They shouldn’t. No one works for free, but Woody will still let you access the site even if you don’t wanna pay. I can’t even thank him, Fred Langa, Susan Bradley, and all the others who help me keep my computer safe. Pay up and if you don’t want to, stop whining.
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All of the opinions for and against paying into the Plus Membership benefits don’t surprise me.
— For me, I don’t have a problem paying into it.When I was younger and started to become interested in computers, I subscribed to a couple of paid computer subscription magazines over the years and I never saw a subscriber complain about paying the annual cost of their subscription.
— It’s easy to say that’s different from what Woody needs to do but the comparison is appropriate.HP EliteBook 8540w laptop Windows 10 Pro (x64)
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The most recent newsletter, this thread in particular, made me go exploring in my account. I discovered that I wasn’t a Plus member
If you have been receiving an emailed newsletter, you would have an active subscription!
And yes, just before subscriptions expire, an email gets issued to permit a renewal before that event occurs.
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The most recent newsletter, this thread in particular, made me go exploring in my account. I discovered that I wasn’t a Plus member
If you have been receiving an emailed newsletter, you would have an active subscription!
And yes, just before subscriptions expire, an email gets issued to permit a renewal before that event occurs.
Well, yes, I’ve been receiving the emailed newsletter, but after seeing this forum topic, I discovered that I couldn’t access the Master Patch List, so I guess there must have been something wrong with my account. I don’t care anymore because I’ve rejoined/subscribed.
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