Websites that still require Flash after EOL

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[brian1248]

There are still numerous websites out there that require Flash.

Citibank’s website https://online.citi.com still requires Flash, and I could not make a payment without clicking to allow Flash to run.  Oddly, even though Flash is past end of life, it still worked.  I use Firefox 84.0.2, which still allows Flash to run.  According to Mozilla, version 85 will not. As I still need to be able to manage my Citibank account, this means that I cannot upgrade Firefox.  I have notified Citibank of this problem.

Other sites, such as https://nutritiondata.self.com , a popular nutrition site owned by Conde Nast, still require Flash, and the Flash-enabled part of the site is now broken, which basically renders a large portion of the site useless.

I have contacted them numerous times going back to last year, telling them that their site will no longer work, but have received no response, and the site has not been updated.

In their case, it is not a surprise, since the FAQ for the site is 15 years out of date.

One question in the FAQ, for example, says:

Nutrition Data isn’t appearing correctly in my Web browser. How can I fix it?

We currently support the following environments:

• Microsoft Windows XP with Internet Explorer 6.0
• Microsoft Windows XP with Internet Explorer 7.0
• Microsoft Windows XP with Firefox 2.0 (recommended)
• Macintosh with Safari 3.1 (recommended)
• Macintosh with Firefox 2.0

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Yes, they recommend Firefox 2.0 (released in 2006).

Does anyone see any other sites out there that still require Flash, which might be broken?

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[Alex5723]

see : https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/adobe-flash-not-working-for-school-test/#post-2335317

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Wow.  Ordinarily I’d say this is hard to believe, but these days, not so hard.

Being 20 something in the 70's was far more fun than being 70 something in the insane 20's

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[brian1248]

Yes, I don’t get it.  In the past, Citibank was often ahead on tech.  I remember when working on Y2K back in the day, late 90s (one of my clients was a Credit Bureau affiliate that worked with banks), and we got word that Citibank had started working on remediating Y2K as early as 1985.

That shows that they were forward-thinking back then, but now, to still have Flash required on a consumer-facing site for payments is just unbelievable.

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and now that bank site is behind the times

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Consumer Cellular still requires Flash to listen to voicemail on line.  You can download and listen with your usual MP4 player, but not while on-line.  I contacted them in early December 2020, and they say they are working on it, but still doesn’t work as of today.

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I view a lot of webcams. Some from local and state governments, some are federal, some private —– there’s tons of them.  Even today, many still require flash, including one State who has traffic cameras still using flash.  But to hear a major bank —- who stands the most to lose and who would be legally and financially liable for any breaches —- still using Flash is …. to borrow a word from Mr. Spock, “illogical.”

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The Neopets website at http://www.neopets.com still requires Flash for many unconverted elements such as Games like Destruct-O-Match, Test Your Strength, etc. For unconverted elements, there is a picture of a Flash Tombstone along with a message that says “Uh oh! Some elements<span class=”aCOpRe”> may not display correctly without Flash support. We’re hard at work converting this into a more modern & secure format. Thank you for your patience.” The Neopets release notes at http://www.neopets.com/releasenotes state that they are working hard on converting everything that relied on Flash Player to HTML5 such as World Maps, Wheels, Scratchcards, etc. To see for yourself, you’ll need a Neopets account though. There’s also a Neopets Producer Chat video about the end of Flash titled “What’s happening to Neopets when Flash ends?” available on YouTube. The link to the video is at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoeOQZqd4Ns</span&gt;

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There were stories circulating not long ago that Adobe was not only going to stop supporting Flash, but also was going to block it from being used, the benign interpretation was that this was  going to happen just at Web sites and not in user computers. So that was just talk?

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The Flash player does not affect the source. If the source is Flash you need a player.

cheers, Paul

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OscarCP wrote:

There were stories circulating not long ago that Adobe was not only going to stop supporting Flash, but also was going to block it from being used

These were not stories.

Since Adobe no longer supports Flash Player after December 31, 2020 and blocked Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning January 12, 2021, Adobe strongly recommends all users immediately uninstall Flash Player to help protect their systems.

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Perhaps I misunderstand them, but it seems to me that several people here are saying that now, in late January of 2021, they still have to use Flash, because Web sites they need to access still use Flash, when Adobe has already blocked Flash content.

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Adobe player no longer works (is blocked). This does not affect stuff the web server sends to your browser.

cheers, Paul

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I still do not understand something here: what is meant by “blocked”? This question has been asked before in some form or another here and has not received a clear answer, at least that I have been able to find.

If sites are still sending on request Flash content and one has Flash Player still installed in one’s computer and wants to use it to access that content, what does it mean that it is “blocked”? By whom, besides the owner of the computer and how, if it is done without the owner’s consent and actual voluntary action to stop it from working?

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[brian1248]

They mean that Flash no longer displays Flash content (with some exceptions.  It still worked on the Citibank site.)

Look at the attached screen shot from https://nutritiondata.self.com
for an example

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[brian1248]

That is correct.  Citibank’s web site requires Flash on some of its pages, and some of those pages would not work properly without clicking to allow Flash to run.

In particular, I could not complete a payment transaction unless I clicked to allow Flash to run.  After granting permission for Flash to run, I was able to complete my transaction and make a payment.

Citibank’s site did not have problems with running Flash as shown for the https://nutritiondata.self.com/ website, for which I gave a screenshot in a separate reply.

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brian1248 wrote:

Citibank’s website https://online.citi.com still requires Flash, and I could not make a payment without clicking to allow Flash to run.

Got to make you wonder that with so little attention on needed interfaces to transact payments what the security big picture might be like. I still feel vindicated in my continued refusal “to get” with it and do modern banking. Maybe more vindication is coming.

It seems more attention is being paid these days to mobile apps than traditional Desktop usages. I hope their security is good there.

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I, too, tried contacting the folks over at https://nutritiondata.self.com/ but to no avail. It’s a shame as I really like their website. Fortunately cronometer – although it requires an account – provides the same detailed macro/micro nutrients and no Flash required.

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I emailed the contacts at https://nutritiondata.self.com/ at least 4 times over the past year (both for the website and the parent company, Conde Nast), and never even got an acknowledgement or response.

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Looks like it’s not only websites that are affected.
HP is reportedly having problems with it’s ‘Solution Center’ as the application relies partly on adobe flash!!

Users of the HP Solution Center are facing an unpleasant experience since January 2021: The software is broken. A window with an f character as well as an I appears – and it is no longer possible to scan on all-in-one printers…

more info on borncity

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I use the “HP Smart” app to control my HP all in one. It still seems to function, and is apparently a Windows app.

HP Solution Center is a printer management program for HP printers developed and released by HP before 2010.

Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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Media Player app PotPlayer 2021 removed Flash player support.

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/01/29/first-potplayer-2021-release-removes-flash-playback-support/

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brian1248: Thanks for your reply here #2338652 but what you are showing in that screenshot looks like is something on the side of the Nutrition Data’s Web site, not on your browser side. And since others can use Adobe Flash to see what is in their bank accounts, as some are saying here, it looks like “blocking Flash” is not something Adobe actually does by reaching into the Web sites that still use it and ripping Flash off them, or something. Or doing that to those users that still have Flash up and running in their computers. So I might be entirely wrong about this, but I am starting to get  the impression that the word “blocking” has been used very loosely here. Would, perhaps, “discouraging” (as in Adobe is discouraging the use of Flash, but if you want to live dangerously, be my guest) convey the situation more accurately?

And I would sincerely appreciate getting an answer to this question.

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You could have read the Adobe Flash Player site.

Since Adobe no longer supports Flash Player after 31 December 2020 and blocked Flash content from running in Flash Player beginning 12 January 2021

cheers, Paul

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[OscarCP]

Thanks, Unfortunately, that is an answer  that has been given to me before here and I have, every time, asked to have it explained further, because it does not tell me enough to make sense of it given a number of statements made by others here that, the way I see it, in practical terms flatly contradict it. At least if it is interpreted exactly as written. So I shall appreciate if someone could explain this more fully in his or her own words.

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If that’s the case, and I assumed that it was, then one could simply set their computer clock back one year and Flash would run again!

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It is not something specific to the website.  It is what what Abode makes it do.

Here are some other examples.  Go to the site and click to allow Flash.  You get the same thing.

https://www.dhs.state.il.us/accessibility/tests/flash/video.html

Same here

https://www.ultrasounds.com/

and I could link more.

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[brian1248]

Another example.

https://www.cnn.com/

Though it sometimes appears here, and sometimes does not, so I wonder if the Flash requirement is in some script code for ads or something that appear from time to time.

See screenshot.

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[Alex5723]

CNN.com displays fine using Chrome Version 89.0.4389.23 (Official Build) beta (64-bit) and uBlock Origin (no ads).
CNN on my screen is full paged, your has blank spaces.

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brian1248: Thanks for those URL links. I do not have Flash any longer installed in my computer, having got rid of it even before its end of life because of its vulnerabilities to malicious attacks. So when I click on those links I end up in pages where, not being any longer able to see the test Flash content put there to check if Flash is working (in my computer, I assume), I click further there and get to a page where, among other things, is the “Adobe has locked Flash content” mantra that I don’t think that, so far, anybody here has truly decoded.

Now, if someone is wondering why I am asking about this if I no longer use Flash? The answer is: because I want to know how things work; besides, it might be Flash this time, but something else might be pronounced “locked” some other time.

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I went into Citibank early this month, as soon as my statement was ready, and I was able to schedule a payment without Flash being required.  I stayed on Firefox 84 in case it would still be needed. The Flash add-on prompt still shows on the login page, but not on the payment page, which is internal to the website,

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If you want to see if your browser still supports flash go here.

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Hi! I use Tunecore Music Distribution. Haven’t had problems uploading files until recently, when signing up for the Unlimited release subscription package. They appear to have changed the upload spec, as my previously accepted, correct format WAV 16bit, 44.1 files now won’t upload. I checked the help articles and they clearly ask, actually require users to download the latest version of their browser – anddd  the latest version of Adobe Flashplayer! Including a link to ‘latest version’ which is subsequently blocked by browsers when trying to access it, as Adobe was blocked by all majors. I’ve tried contacting their Support services pointing out the issue, but haven’t had any response regarding that, just told to send my audio via Google Drive and they will upload it to my account, which I don’t want to have to do. I paid to use a service that I apparently can’t by myself without Flashplayer, and the site is effectively asking users to install malware by requiring it? Thoughts, advice? Thks!

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