Updating from 1607 to 1809 via ISO

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Greetings,

Just re-acquainting myself with the new site etc. after many years with predecessor.

I have a PC that is running 1607 (I know….it is old).   I have backed things up, updated my bios and all drivers, and ready to bite the bullet and go to 1809. I know 1903 is/will be out soon  but want to be safe….

Given how many patches have happened since then, my plan is to use the ISO of 1809 I created with the media creation tool a few months ago.  I also read to make sure that the following services are running: Windows update service, BITS, Workstation service, Crytographic Service, and Windows Installer service.

I have a few questions because given my experience upgrading within and to many versions of Windows, it is always better to figure out potential issues in advance vs. after-the-fact:

-I plan to run an in-place upgrade not a clean install from the ISO.  Seems like this is preferable vs. trying to download all of the patches one by one.  And I just don’t have the time for a clean install which I know is preferred as it always is.  I will do one when I build my next PC.

-I see conflicting advice as to whether to run the ISO method update as administrator (so mount ISO and right click on setup.exe “run as administrator”) or just double-click setup.exe. What is the preferred “Woody’s” method to run?

-I read if I bootup to my desktop, and start setup.exe from there, I will get a “download and install updates” option which some say to not do during the install.  In fact, I have read if installing from the ISO to disconnect from the internet. Good idea? I have disconnected from the internet and not downloaded updates during the upgrade in the past. Still a good practice?

– I have my documents, pictures, music etc. set to a second hard drive. I understand this is no longer supposed to be a problem but wanted to check.  The last time I was ready to do this was when that “delete my documents” issue was made public!

– The walkthrough I saw had the “ready to install” screen where “Install Windows 10 Pro” is checked along with “Keep personal files and apps” and a “change what to keep” hyperlink.  I did not see a screen where you choose that….it seems to default to it? I just want to keep my programs and not have it delete my data on drive 2 that has my documents, music, and pictures.  I almost want to upgrade without that drive connected but there are probably some links that will break or something and create more problems.

-I plan to uninstall my antivirus before the upgrade.

Are there any other settings or up-front work I should do before the upgrade?

Is my strategy of upgrading via the ISO the correct one?

Are there any other “known issues” during the upgrade I should be aware of?

I already know there will be new security issues with this version of windows as to my local NAS folder shares security.  I need to go and research that.

Thanks in advance for your help,

WSBJB

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Your first order of business is to make an image of your present system, and a separate backup of your data so you have a way to go back.

Second, I would recommend you create a current ISO. That should give you v1809 Build 17763.379 – some of the problems with v1809 have probably been rectified since the older ISO.

Be sure to update your drivers before you start, or at least download the install files for them from the computer mfg or the hardware mfg.

There is a procedure here for upgrading v1703 to v1709. The procedure should be the same for you upgrade from the ISO to v1809.

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WSBJB

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BKcano, I have an on site and off site image and a fileadership by file copy of data files so good there. Copy on the new ISO tip and will checkout that link.

 

Thanks to both for the tips. Any input on my specific questions?

 

WSBJB

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Check the procedure to upgrade linked in my post just above. The same procedure should work for you with the upgrade you plan even the versions are different. It may answer some of your questions.

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WSBJB

are you running Win10 v1607 Home or v1607 Pro?
type winver.exe in the Run dialog box to display the Win10 version and edition

the “Keep personal files and apps” option is only available if you are upgrading from the same edition

ex. 1607 Home > 1809 Home
1607 Pro > 1809 Pro

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WSBJB

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EP, I am running 1607 pro and as noted I have updated the bios and drivers. I thought that if you created the ISO it matched your upgrade version to the one you have?

WSBJB

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I believe that you are given the option to create an ISO for the machine you are on, or one that you can use more universally. If you create one for the machine you are on, it should match OS version. If you use the more universal ISO, you would need to choose the correct version.

Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter

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If you make bootable media with the ISO or mount the ISO in your current installation:

You can boot from the media and do a clean install (wipe out everything) you will need to chose the version that matches your product key (whatever 1607 was).

It you Upgrade from within your current installation (do not boot from the media, but execute setup.exe from within your current installation) you have a choice to save your programs and data, your data only, or nothing. And it will install the same version (Home or Pro) that you have.

Please read the procedure here – the versions are different, but the procedure is the same. I think this will answer manu of your questions.

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Hi PKCano,

I’m following this topic with interest as I plan to upgrade my 1803 pro to 1809.

I have the iso from the end of March sat on my NAS. Microsoft state that this can be mounted and use to upgrade but I’m concerned that it won’t work if the mounted volume is on the NAS (Gbit connected). Is this possible or do I have to move it to my c:\ drive?

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My personal choice is to do the install from a DVD or USB stick and not from the OS you are trying to upgrade. The NAS drive should work, IF you can mount the ISO on the NAS drive AND you do not loose connections during the install. I’d be leery of a wifi connection (but that’s just me).

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Thanks for the advice PKCano.

I’ll take the USB option – easy to create anyway.

Is there a guide to which areas to check for custom settings reset etc when I install the update?

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Check the procedure linked (twice) above. The versions are different, but the way to go about it is the same.

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John

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PKCano,

just a little question.

I have bitlocker enabled. Do I have to do anything with it to enable the upgrade?

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Ooooh! Not my field of expertise. I have never used/been around bitlocker/encrypted drives. Someone else will have to answer that one for you.

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You should not have to do anything special. I have bitlocker enabled and install every Insider Preview build without doing anything about bitlocker.

--Joe

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John

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Thanks joep517,

I’ll go with it enabled.

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PKCano,
I hope this does not double post.  Website locked up during posting.

I have read through your very helpful post on going from 1703 to 1709 and still had a few questions. I will be upgrading to 1809 Build 17763.379 as that is what downloaded today. I ran dism…. /index to verify the build and version.  Pro is in there…

– I plan to upgrade from a mounted ISO on a second internal hard drive (not the OS drive).  Is this safe or should I be using a flash drive?
– Reading the link, it looks like I can run setup without administrator privileges (it says double click) unless that assume the login I am under already has them.
– Is there ANY concern left with this family regarding losing “my documents” etc. as in the prior version if they are on a second hard drive with windows pointing to that?
– Is uninstalling your antivirus (I use ESET) necessary prior to upgrading? I guess better safe than sorry.
– Any suggestions on a trusted link or website that talks to the changes made from 1607 to 1809 RE NAS security/share/login access?  I of course can google but I do not think I am searching on correct technical term. I do recall a change and problems from others back then.

Thanks again for all of your help and others on this thread.  Posts and links are most helpful!<
WSBJB

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Running setup from the second drive should work fine – you should be logged in to your 1607 with an administrative IP (ie your ID should not be “Standard” account, I’m not talking about the “God Administrator” when I say administrative ID).

You should make a drive image and a separate file backup of everything under your User ID folder BEFORE you start. If you don’t and there is a problem, you will have no way to go back.

I usually turn off my AV, but don’t uninstall it. But if you have the installer for it, it certainly can not hurt to uninstall. You may need to use Defender instead of ESET after the upgrade.

Yes, there are changes between 1607 and 1809. You will have to sort that out after the fact.

Good luck.

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Thanks to all  for all the advice.  I did uninstall antivirus as a precaution, ran the installment my usual account with admin privileges, and the upgrade went great.

Thanks!

WSBJB

 

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