Unexpected .Net 5.0.15 Update

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Until today I didn’t have .Net 5 installed on my system.  Out of the blue WU advises that it wants to install the .Net 5.0.15 update (KB5012416).  This doesn’t make any sense to me so I start checking around and Edge and .Net 5.0.14  Runtime show in Apps and Control Panel Program Feature as having been installed today.  I know that Edge and other store apps update automatically but the .Net 5.0.14 Runtime installation seems odd to me.  I’m wondering if its a mistake by Microsoft and I should hold-off on letting WU install the update.

Has anybody seen this before?

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EricB wrote:

Has anybody seen this before?

Are you asking about NET 5.0.14? or NET 5.0.15?

I asked about NET 5.0.15 at #2435918 and there are some answers there.

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WCHS wrote:

Are you asking about NET 5.0.14? or NET 5.0.15?

1) Does it make sense that the .Net 5.0.14 Runtime was installed in connection with an Edge update?  .Net 5 reaches End Of Support on May 8.  I don’t understand why it was installed now and don’t discount the possibility that it was a Microsoft error.  But without a clear understanding I’m reluctant to uninstall it.

2) If the installation of the .Net 5.0.14 Runtime was a Microsoft mistake then there’s no reason to install the 5.0.15 update.

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OK, I see that you are talking about .NET Runtime. I checked my Control Panel>Program and Features and I see .Net 5.0.15 Runtime was installed yesterday and Edge was updated today.

Is Runtime specific to Edge? I think so.

My guess is that .NET 5.0.15 is for all apps (other than Edge) that call for .NET 5 and .NET 5.0.x Runtime is for Edge. (I could be wrong about this.)

What happens when you open Edge today? Do you get .NET 5.0.15 Runtime installed?

My understanding is that 5.0.15 (Runtime or not) is a security update.

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You sure that you haven’t installed some other software that would have installed .net?

It does not make sense that it would be with an Edge update – I don’t see it here. Typically WU offers up updates once it senses that the software needs updating. You can always uninstall it and see what complains.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

You sure that you haven’t installed some other software that would have installed .net?

No new apps installed.

WU announced with a download button that Cumulative Update for .NET 5.0 15 Security Update for x64 Client was in the queue and I installed it on April 1. Is that why 5.0.15 Runtime shows up in Apps & Features and in the Control Panel also with a date of April 1? The CU shows up in WU History and the RUNTIME shows up in the Control Panel & Apps & Feature. Are the CU and the RUNTIME somehow related to one another?

And for @EricB, interestingly, my other laptop shows 5.0.14 Runtime in the Control Panel and in Apps & Features, but I haven’t seen a CU for .NET 5.0.14 in the WU queue nor in WU History. So, here it seems that the CU and the Runtime do NOT relate to one another.

So on April 1, on one machine I have the CU 5.0.15 and Runtime 5.0.15 installed and on the other machine, I have only Runtime 5.0.14 installed. Is this odd or not?

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You have Edge beta on there, not just Edge. Let me find a machine that has the beta on there.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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The .Net 5.0.15 Update is a security update and replaces the Feb. 2022 5.0.14 Security Update.  And, at least on my system, this update is not shown as a CU by Windows Update.

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Checking .Net updates and version installed.

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I have the .NET 5.0.5 Runtime version .15 on my Windows 10 Pro computer since early March but I went and fetched it then after reading a post here about it. I keep WU disabled most of the time so I have to manually find updates and install them. I’ve done it this way for so many years I can’t recall when I last let WU run wild all the time.

I have versions of .NET going back as far as version one on this 4 year old computer.

I just fetched Windows Desktop Runtime 6.0.3 x64 since .NET 5 is going out of support very soon. If I were you, I would only question why you were not offered the 5.0.5.15 update sooner and I would install it now. (There are possible advantages sometimes to fetching such updates manually as I did instead of waiting for Microsoft to get around to offering it on WU).

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Mele20 wrote:

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From where is this screenshot?

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EricB wrote:

so I start checking around and Edge and .Net 5.0.14 Runtime show in Apps and Control Panel Program Feature as having been installed today. I know that Edge and other store apps update automatically but the .Net 5.0.14 Runtime installation seems odd to me. I’m wondering if its a mistake by Microsoft and I should hold-off on letting WU install the update.

Has anybody seen this before?

Yes, I saw it on one of my laptops with a date of April 1 — happened the day before it happened to you. But, it (5.0.14) didn’t get installed via WU. It got installed under the radar, somehow. And no signs of a 5.0.15 now or ever in the WU queue.

On the other laptop, on the same day, WU delivered CU 5.0.15 and no signs of 5.0.14 ever having been installed before that.

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WCHS wrote:

Mele20 wrote:

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From where is this screenshot?

From here:

https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet/6.0

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I have Edge but not .NET runtime.
You must have installed some software that added the runtime.

cheers, Paul

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Susan Bradley wrote:

You sure that you haven’t installed some other software that would have installed .net?

I don’t use Edge and absolutely, positively did not install any software.  The .Net 5.0.14 Runtime showed up all on its own.

From Apps and Features – Only Edge and .Net have the 4/2/2022 date

From Control Pane Programs and  Features

From Application Event Log

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It would not have installed on it’s own.  Something brought it down.  And then once it was on your machine, it then needed updating as the March update is a security patch.

It could be a printer software – it could be graphic card software – back in the day AMD used to install this ANNOYING .net based graphic card interface that would trigger .net updates.

Something installed needs .net 5, but not Edge.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

It would not have installed on its own. Something brought it down. And then once it was on your machine, it then needed updating as the March update is a security patch.

I’m in the same boat as @Eric B, but my bone is with 5.0.15 (and not 5.0.14). It came down in the WU queue for one of my laptops on April 1 (or maybe April 2).
No other Microsoft.NETCore.App has ever been installed on this machine, as indicated by ASoft .NET Version Detector. See attached. So, there’s nothing there that 5.0.15 was updating. It is totally new and seems to have come out of the blue.

If some software needed it, I have no idea what it could be, as I haven’t installed any new software for a very long time. And if WAS some software that needed 5.0.14 or 5.0.13 or some version even before that, there would be some indication in .NET Version Detector that one or more of these earlier versions had been installed sometime in the past. But, no earlier version is listed in .NET Version Detector.

There’s no .NET 5 anything, other than this new 5.0.15

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Like we did in the era of .net 3.5 you can always uninstall it and then see what complains.

The first time I did it and then the AMD graphics portal didn’t work I was like…. uh that’s what installed it!

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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But, it’s a Security Update. So, doesn’t that say “Don’t uninstall it”?

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Back in the .net 3.5 day I’d uninstall .net completely.  So in this case, not just uninstall the .net security update, remove .net 5 completely and see what complains. Of course take a backup first

I’ll ask around and see if there is an easy way to track down what’s using .net in the 5 era.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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The timing with an Edge update could be mere coincidence.  Since I don’t know what installed the .Net 5.0.14 Runtime I don’t want to experiment and uninstall it to see what might break.   At this point I’m going to install the security update and live with it.  I don’t like it but I think I’m better off leaving it alone.

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Edge updated this morning.  I have no .NET 5 anything.

Windows 10 Pro x64 v22H2 and Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 (RIP)

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My Edge updated to v100.0.1185.29 on 04/02/22 and I also have no .Net 5 installed.

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Susan Bradley wrote:

I’ll ask around and see if there is an easy way to track down what’s using .net in the 5 era.

I am using video editing HandBrake app. The new version required .NET 5, now .NET 6

For Windows Users, please be aware that HandBrake requires Microsoft .NET Desktop Runtime 6.

https://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?t=42066

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I need some advice on which .NET 5.0.15 to install on one of my machines in a download from the MS-Catalog.

I have two similar devices, both Win10/Pro 21H2 x64, both DELLs. One is older and not eligible for Win 11; it is model 7569; the other is a newer model 5482 and IS eligible for Win 11, although I haven’t installed it.

They are basically clones of one another – i.e., they have the same software on them (because when I install software on one device, I install it on the other) and they both have the same data files (because I synchronize those files between the two machines).

My current situation is that WU delivered .NET 5.0.15 to the 7569, but not to the 5482. The 7569 never had the superceded .NET 5.0.14 on it, but WU delivered .NET 5.0.15 to it anyway. The 5482 DOES have the superceded .NET 5.0.14 on it, but WU has NOT delivered 5.0.15 – not yet at least.

Since .NET 5.0.15 is a Security Update, I think I need to get it on the 5482 by downloading it and installing it.
But, I need some help in choosing which .NET 5.0.15 to download from the MS-Catalog.

Here are some facts:
This is the .NET 5.0.15 (a Security Update) that was installed on my 7569 (a Win10/Pro 21H2 x64-bit machine) as listed in WU History.

Afterwards .NET Version Detector lists it as this on the 7569.

On the 5482,.NET Version Detector lists .NET 5.0.14 as currently installed:

MS Catalog lists 12 downloads for KB5012416:

I am guessing that my choice would be either a) aspnetcore-runtime-5.0.15-win-x64 or b) dotnet-runtime-5.0.15-win-x64.
But, perhaps someone here can tell me which of these is the right one to select for download?

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Open a command prompt window and enter the command:  dotnet –info

After installing the .Net 5.0.15 Security Update this is what the results look like on my system

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EricB wrote:

Open a command prompt window and enter the command: dotnet –info

Here are the Command Prompt responses on each machine. As you can see the 7569 (royal blue title bar) has 5.0.15 (b/c WU installed it) and the 5482 (teal green title bar) has 5.0.14 (b/c at sometime in the distant past, it was installed [how or when I don’t know]. I am trying to figure out if I need to download 5.0.15 to the 5482, (b/c it is a security patch to 5.0.14) and if so, which download file I should select b/c 12 files are listed for KB5012416 in the MS Catalog.

But, Susan says at #2437407:

Susan Bradley wrote:

If .net security update is not offered up to a machine via the WU interface you probably don’t need it.

But, I have a question about her link b/c it is for .NET Framework. But, these 5.0.14 and 5.0.15’s are .NET Core. Is .NET Framework the same as .NET Core (Runtimes)? Or different?

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.Net Core and .Net Framework are different.  BTW, Microsoft dropped “Core” as part of the name beginning with version 5.  I didn’t install the security update manually, WU took care of it.  You might want to give WU some more time and also make sure that you haven’t inadvertently hidden any updates.

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WU detection 99.99999% of the time is spot on.  If it thinks something needs a patch it offers it up.  If .net security update is not offered up to a machine via the WU interface you probably don’t need it.  Don’t immediately jump to the conclusion that machines are identical – there could be vendor apps that are different.

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-quickly-check-net-framework-version-windows-10

Do that on each machine and see what you get back as a result?

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Do that on each machine and see what you get back as a result?

This is a link for .NET Framework. Isn’t .NET Core different?

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Yes, .Net is different.  Look at my earlier post about using the command prompt.

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EricB wrote:

Yes, .Net is different. Look at my earlier post about using the command prompt.

Do you mean .NET Core? See my post at #2437438, where the results of the Command Prompt for ‘>dotnet –info’ on the two devices are shown. [Note: there are two hyphens before ‘info’; they show up in this post as a dash] The results say ‘.NET runtimes installed’ and the app title is ‘Microsoft.NETCore.App 5.0.x’

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Microsoft changed their naming — dropped “Core” beginning with v5.

See descriptions at https://github.com/dotnet/core/blob/main/release-notes/README.md

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EricB wrote:

BTW, Microsoft dropped “Core” as part of the name beginning with version 5.

Thanks for solving that confusion for me!!

EricB wrote:

You might want to give WU some more time and also make sure that you haven’t inadvertently hidden any updates.

I’ve waited two weeks and I have also checked WUSHOWHIDE.
I also make a record of everything that gets hidden ever in WUSHOWHIDE and make a note when I unhide something. I also keep a record of WU History throughout the machine’s various versions of Win10 (1903, 1909, 2004, 20H2, 21H1, 21H2) and I can find no record of 5.0.14 nor its KB file 5011093. Maybe, it’s in Events somewhere, but I’d have to figure out how to look. So, it’s still a mystery as to how or when 5.0.14 got installed on this machine in the first place. It had to have been done in the background, unbeknownst to me, when I used some app sometime (but what app and when, I don’t know).

5.0.15 is supposed to be a Security Update, and since 5.0.14 is on that machine, you’d think that WU would be delivering it. But, that might not be the correct thinking either, b/c 5.0.15 got installed on the other machine without 5.0.14 ever having been installed.

I’m straight out befuddled about no 5.0.15 coming down from WU for the 5482, but now I’m straight on .NET Framework vs .NET (Core in the name now dropped since 5.0)

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Windows 10 21H2.
Never got .NET 5.0.14 but got 5.0.15 via WUmgr.
.NET 6.0.3 updated manually.

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I don’t know if it makes a difference but I used Group Policy for Windows Update on my Win 10 Pro system to enable updates for “Other Microsoft Products”.

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Alex5723 wrote:

Windows 10 21H2.
Never got .NET 5.0.14 but got 5.0.15 via WUmgr.
.NET 6.0.3 updated manually.

So, what is this post supposed to be telling me???
It says the same thing I’ve said above (except that I don’t have 6.0), but it doesn’t answer any of my questions.

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EricB wrote:

I don’t know if it makes a difference but I used Group Policy for Windows Update on my Win 10 Pro system to enable updates for “Other Microsoft Products”.

I bet that’s it!! I have Win10/Pro and I know that I didn’t specify any Group Policy setting for ‘install updates for other Microsoft Microsoft Products’, but I just now checked Windows Update > Advanced Options > Update options and I had it turned off on the 5482 machine. [All of which means there are two places where you can effect this setting.]

I checked the same WU setting on the 7569 and it is turned on.

Now, on the 5482, I’ve turned it on. We’ll see what happens.

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I now get to say “SEE this is why I say choose ” ‘install updates for other Microsoft Microsoft Products” to anyone who asks why that setting is important.  (note this isn’t specifically for WCHS, this is because this setting came up the other day in the forum and some folks were saying that they never set this).  Excellent detection work and kudos!!

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Susan Bradley wrote:

” ‘install updates for other Microsoft Microsoft Products”

I have this setting disabled yet I got .Net 5.0.15 update via WUmgr.

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Most likely it came from the MS Store since MS Store updates are not controlled by WUmgr settings.

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There’s nothing like that in MS Stores, as far as I can tell — no .NET 5.0.x’s at all.

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.NET, also referred to as dot net, information and downloads are here:
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/en-us/download/dotnet

.NET is a software development platform which means that if someone builds an application with this platform, you have to have the runtime package to run the application. If you wrote software, you would be interested in reading information which includes the links to the runtime downloads that I provided above:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/introduction

Short form. Somewhere on one or both of your computers, you have an application that demands a .NET runtime package.

Updates arrive through Windows Update.

And that’s all I know.

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Just another Forum Poster wrote:

Most likely it came from the MS Store since MS Store updates are not controlled by WUmgr settings.

No. Microsoft store downloads are blocked on my PC and I don’t think that WUmgr has access to Microsoft store.

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Alex5723 wrote:

…and I don’t think that WUmgr has access to Microsoft store.

In WuMgr, under the Auto Update tab, there is a box to check or uncheck for Disable Store Auto Update. This refers to Microsoft Stores.

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EricB wrote:

I don’t know if it makes a difference but I used Group Policy for Windows Update on my Win 10 Pro system to enable updates for “Other Microsoft Products”.

WCHS wrote:

Now, on the 5482, I’ve turned it on. We’ll see what happens.

Today, on the 5482 WU delivered 5.0.15 after I had turned on WU>Advanced options> Receive updates for other Microsoft products when you update Windows two days ago.

It came down when the WU queue was refreshed according to the Windows schedule for doing so. I have GP=2 notify download/install so I clicked on the ‘Download’ button to install it.

Whew!!

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Glad to hear the the problem is solved.  It’s Miller Time!!

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