Good note from DC: I like you assumed that standalone KB updates should install without running any Windows Update checks however this doesn’t appear
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Turn off Windows Update if you want to force-feed individual patches
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GuestApril 30, 2016 at 3:23 am #43604I’m sorry but I can’t agree with having to be offline to install either of these two patches. I’ve manually installed these two remotely on 6 computers (so far) and I didn’t encounter any problems at all on any of them. I do agree with you on the first part though, it is important to kill the WU service first.
On all of the systems I updated remotely I changed the WU setting to never check for updates and rebooted them before installing the patches and both of the patches installed immediately requiring a restart after each of them.
After both patches were installed I then changed the WU setting back to check but don’t download & restarted them again and I was quite pleased to see the “Updates are available” bubble pop up within a few minutes.
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Gareth
GuestApril 30, 2016 at 3:57 am #43605When I tried to install KB3145739 I got the endless ‘downloading’ message. Searching around for a solution someone mentioned changing your Windows Update setting to ‘Never check for updates (not recommended)’. When I did that it went in straight away. I guess this is a related solution to the one mentioned above?
Pleased to report that all the updates that Woody gave the green light to this week installed in 15 minutes.
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AskWoody_MVPApril 30, 2016 at 6:30 am #43607Useful workaround. I experienced some delay in the past while trying to install msu files, one minute or so. I never paid much attention as I don’t experience the huge delays that other people experience, likely because I am almost always patched up to date. I have always thought that the msu does a sort of certificate check up with Microsoft to validate the file but as I said earlier, I didn’t pay much attention, probably because I am not trying to run the msu files too often.
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GuestApril 30, 2016 at 4:43 pm #43609Standalone update refused to run until Windows Update was turned back on: seven hours until it finally asked if I really wanted to install KB3138612. Expecting a delay of seven hours until it asks about KB3145739, it probably would have been better just to have gone with Windows Update in the first place.
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GuestMay 1, 2016 at 1:42 am #43612The reason I suggested disabling the internet connection (in addition to stopping the Windows Update service) was that I had seen instances where the standalone installer initiated an internet connection by reactivating the Windows Update service. When both items are unavailable the install seems to start as expected.
I suspect that temporarily setting the Windows Update settings to “Never check for updates (not recommended)” may also achieve the same results. The critical thing is that the Windows Update service remains stopped and is thus unable to initiate an internet check with the MS Update servers.
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Ed
GuestMay 1, 2016 at 5:31 am #43613Woody… if disabling the internet connection is required how would you suggest manually installing these two patches remotely?
To add to my previous post above, I’ve updated two more systems remotely for a total of 8 now. I believe setting the WU settings to never check and restarting the computer before attempting to manually install either of these patches is the key. It’s important to restart the computer after changing the WU setting, if you don’t do that you’re wasting your time… and I think some folks are neglecting to do that restart.
I haven’t experienced a lag longer than 10-15 seconds on any of the eight systems I’ve manually installed these patches on remotely.
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Frahaleah
GuestMay 1, 2016 at 8:12 am #43616Woody, I know this may not pertain to the WU update, but still deals with Windows Update. I have tried to get the updates in before tuesday, I have it set to have me choose to download & install, yet when I go to, it gets to the downloading updates, but ‘appears’ to hang on 0kb 0% downloaded. Any idea how to fix it? I’ve tried a clean boot, still ‘appears’ to hang on 0kb 0% downloaded, even though some updates did download.
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woody
ManagerMay 1, 2016 at 12:22 pm #43617Excellent question. I just submitted a VERY long article for InfoWorld that looks at problems people are having with updates and how to work around them.
I didn’t include this one in the article. But chances are good you need to delete everything that’s in the SoftwareDistribution folder.
Easiest way to do that is by running the Windows Update troubleshooter.
If that works, let me know and I’ll sneak it in when the edits come around.
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GuestMay 1, 2016 at 3:18 pm #43623Woody, in addition to my prior reply, and to make it more clear as to the size of the problem, my problem is with all of the current outstanding April updates having this “gets to the downloading updates, but hangs on 0kb 0% downloaded.” Now we are talking many updates to have to manual update even with a “good stable” method to do so.
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AskWoody_MVPMay 2, 2016 at 4:36 pm #43627Ed, just stop the Windows Update service and set it to Disabled before the installation. There is no need to disconnect from the Internet. The other possible option would be the set for Never Check for Updates while leaving the service in its Automatic (Delayed) state as it is the default.
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Ed
GuestMay 3, 2016 at 12:12 am #43628For clarification purposes I am not trying to find an alternative method, the one I used in post #5 above worked perfectly for me. For the record CH I downloaded the patches once onto my system and used file transfer to distribute them to all of the remote systems.
Apparently the update Gods were with me on this venture since apparently many others had issues that I never encountered. I just completed updating the last two systems earlier this evening and all ten of them are happily checking, downloading & installing Windows updates in a very short amount of time now.
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AskWoody_MVPMay 14, 2017 at 11:56 am #115200From https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/joscon/2009/07/15/addressing-some-comments-given-so-far/:
‘[Question] 2. Installing updates/small hotfixes is also slow because after double-clicking the MSU, it โsearchesโ for quite a long time before applying the update.
[Answer] โI say: What is going on there is weโre checking the package to make sure its complete and pulling down any deltas that might be needed for the fix to your \SoftwareDistribution folder.ย Deltas are smaller packages that might be needed for the update to work properly.’
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MrBrian
AskWoody_MVPNovember 2, 2017 at 1:33 pm #143394I have two hypotheses about this issue.
Hypothesis #1: One reason that standalone .MSU updates can sometimes take nontrivial time to process “Searching for updates on this computer” is because Windows Update can do only one thing at a time. If Windows Update is doing anything else, such as searching for updates (whether initiated manually or automatically), then “Searching for updates on this computer” seems to not even start processing until the previous Windows Update operation(s) are complete. This explains why Ed’s technique works: it ensures that no previous Windows Update operations are ongoing when installing the .MSU file. This also explains why stopping the Windows Update service beforehand works: stopping the Windows Update service cancels ongoing Windows Update operations.
Hypothesis #2: Another reason that standalone .MSU updates can sometimes take nontrivial time to process “Searching for updates on this computer” is because of inefficient algorithms that were the same cause of slow checks for updates in Windows 7. This was fixed in Windows 7 with updates KB3020369 and KB3172605.
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AskWoody_MVPNovember 3, 2017 at 6:09 am #143586Testing has revealed that hypothesis #1 is likely correct.
My tests have not shown evidence supporting hypothesis #2. However, assuming that hypothesis #1 is correct, then having Windows 7 updates KB3020369 and KB3172605 installed can reduce the time Windows Update takes to search for updates, which in turn can reduce the time that a standalone .MSU update takes for โSearching for updates on this computerโ processing for situations in which Windows Update was already searching for updates prior to running the .MSU and neither of the fixes in hypothesis #1 is used.
In my opinion, the best solution is Ed’s solution: “I believe setting the WU settings to never check and restarting the computer before attempting to manually install […] is the key. Itโs important to restart the computer after changing the WU setting […].”
In my opinion, stopping the Windows Update service while Windows Update operations are ongoing should not be done due to the possibility that doing so could cause serious Windows Update issues.
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AskWoody LoungerNovember 3, 2017 at 6:21 am #143589Mr.Brian:ย ย ย As I mentioned, IMHO, your assessment, and hypothesis #1 is definitely supported by the information you have researched.ย Excellent work, as always, Mr.Brian!
Thank you, as always, for your outstanding, amazing, help!ย ย ๐ย ๐
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AskWoody_MVPNovember 2, 2017 at 2:29 pm #143418Can stopping the Windows Update service while an update is installing cause issues? Walker said that his Windows Update problems started when he stopped the Windows Update service. Also, I found a post from Arthur Li in this topic that Walker’s error number may be caused by stopping the Windows Update service:
“Generally, the Windows Update issue can be caused by one of the following factors:
1. The Windows Update service has been stopped.
2. Corrupted Windows Update Temporary folder.”1 user thanked author for this post.
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AskWoody LoungerNovember 3, 2017 at 6:05 am #143584Mr.Briain:ย ย Yes, I vividly recall when I began having the nightmare problems with the error which prevented me from getting the updates.ย ย The error code 8007038.ย ย I never had any problems with this previously, before the Windows Update Service was stopped.
Since I do not have a “Windows Update Temporary folder”, that could not have been the problem.ย ย ย Mr.Brian was able to solve that problem after working arduously, non-stop to correct it.ย ย ย An amazing feat!ย Thank you for all of the above messages you posted which are relevant to this issue. ย ย Thank you once again, Mr.Brian!!ย ย ๐ย ๐
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MrBrian
AskWoody_MVPApril 4, 2018 at 4:55 am #181174I found an answer from “Mark Phaedrus, Software Engineer, Windows Update Agent, Microsoft” at https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-manually-download-all-the-Windows-updates-from-Microsoft: “And yes, Louis mentioned a problem that you may encounter โ since MSU files use Windows Update technology to install, if thereโs already a scan in progress, the MSU install may appear to hang as well, since it โwaits in lineโ behind the scan. Believe it or not, yanking the Ethernet cord out of the wall may not actually solve this problem (though it may be cathartic). On machines experiencing the problem, the part of the scan that involves a connection to the Internet still takes only its normal time, usually only a few seconds. Itโs the part after that โ where Windows Update decides which of those updates are actually applicable โ that can take hours and hours. Yanking the cord will prevent an online scan from starting, but wonโt stop a scan thatโs already in progress. So the best solution is to stop the local Windows Update service, then immediately run the MSU file. You can use Task Manager as Louis described to stop the service, or you can run the command NET STOP WUAUSERV. You may need to reboot the computer if the service just wonโt stop.”
My hypothesis #1 is correct.
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