Tuesday’s officially over, and still no updates

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Our usual 4th Tuesday (“D Week”) updates didn’t arrive. Given the manifest problems, especially with the Intel microcode patches dated “2018-07” you h
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Yep, and I am still holding at June 2018. June seems to have been the single reprieve from this year’s monthly botched updates. A lot of people are still holding at December 2017. I don’t blame them.

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We updated till August. July installed without .NET updates. No problem so far, just one partly NIC problem in1 machine from 70 machines. But servers…. DC in ruins, nothing to do with it.

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Two isses, which are not relevant for endusers:

* A Banking SW didn’t like .Net security changes which are included in this months Server 2016 Rollup (the .Net 4.7.2 package was not deployed). These registry keys fixed this:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\.NETFramework\v4.0.30319]
“SchUseStrongCrypto”=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\.NETFramework\v4.0.30319]
“SchUseStrongCrypto”=dword:00000001

* And Exchange Sec Fix KB4340731 has issues. Although installed in elevated cmd as described in the KB, OWA and ECP are broken due to missing files after a seemingly successful installation.

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Like many of you, I’m waiting with bated breath.

I understand that people are anxious to apply updates. Please forgive me for countering with a little reality…

Seriously,

• Do you have bugs that are holding you back and need resolving?
  
• Are you seeing out-of-control malware infections?
  
• Is Microsoft about to release a new feature you must have?
  
• Do you have extra time on your hands you don’t know what to do with?

No? Then don’t worry, be happy that you can do something useful rather than sweat over the latest Windows Updates.

I know, I know, Windows Updates HAVE actually become a halfway decent excuse for not doing real work. Sooner or later someone’s going to expect something to get done, though…

-Noel

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For those of you who are new to AskWoody, IMO, Noel’s comment Directly relates to this:

MS-DEFCON 2: Patch reliability is unclear. Unless you have an immediate, pressing need to install a specific patch, don’t do it.

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Myst, Demeter, Noel Carboni

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Good advice

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Had to push out August updates early to one of our servers thanks to it somehow having the July 2018 update installed, along with .Net 4.7.2 which was recommended.  This was on an Exchange server.

Transport issues where the service seemed to stop responding.  Only affected SMTP traffic, MAPI was fine (I think MAPI doesn’t go through Transport).  Haven’t seen any issues yet, confident enough to push out to desktops for now.

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Incredibly frustrating that they are so silent on when updates will be released.  Even if they gave us 24 hours notice that there will be something released.  Or are they in that much disarray that they don’t even know until the last minute if a patch is going to be pushed out or not?

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Do you have bugs that are holding you back and need resolving?”  Actually yes, the broken sso adfs issue on Windows 7 machines.

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Noel Carboni wrote:

I know, I know, Windows Updates HAVE actually become a halfway decent excuse for not doing real work.

How did you know?

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I took advantage of the lull to install the June 21st BIOS update to my Dell computer.  I figure after a couple of months it should be safe to install.  So far so good.

I took a full image of my C: drive beforehand, so hopefully we’ll be able to install the August patches this weekend.

The Windows 7 patches for both July and August were pushed out to my work machine already.

The July Windows 7 updates do not play nice if you’ve altered your registry to disable libraries, so you should restore the default library settings prior to installing.

The August Windows 7 updates can cause false alarm connectivity problems if you’re using a proxy server to connect to the internet as I detailed here:

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/2018-08-rollup-for-win-7-kb4343900/

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So now people are also worrying about not seeing new out-of-sequence updates? Really?

Isn’t that something to be happy (or at least less stressed) about? Just asking.

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As Woody mentioned, these aren’t unscheduled patches!

The “C” and “D” releases occur the third and fourth weeks of the month, respectively. These preview releases contain only non-security updates, and are intended to provide visibility and testing of the planned non-security fixes targeted for the next month’s Update Tuesday release. These updates are then shipped as part of the following month’s “B” or Update Tuesday release.

Microsoft specified the schedule after Susan Bradley’s open letter.

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The absence of patches to scheduled patches from two weeks ago is indeed refreshing.

However, a long time pattern involved the appearance of “preview” packages that included items to come in next month’s scheduled patches. The absence of these usually seen offers indicates an abnormal condition.

Given the pattern of events over the course of the last two years, give or take, within the Microsoft updating environment, abnormal equals problems. And problems mean more headaches dealing with more failures.

This feeling could be alleviated by this new thing called transparency. Microsoft tells me it is one of their guiding principles.

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Anonymous  #213951 :

” Given the pattern of events over the course of the last two years, give or take, within the Microsoft updating environment, abnormal equals problems. And problems mean more headaches dealing with more failures. ”

Well… maybe “no previews” means “no September patches”?

Because, really, truly, finally, they are not needed at all?

Perhaps this is actually good news?

(Oh, a man can only dream!)

In any event, I’ll wait for the headaches to come to me, rather for me to make a first move and go to them, preemptively.

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OscarCP wrote:
In any event, I’ll wait for the headaches to come to me, rather for me to make a first move and go to them, preemptively.

Well, I had taken your original post as sarcastic rather than indicating actual confusion. So I hoped to gently show the sarcasm was misdirected. It is not that we are missing the bad things. It is that the normal things are missing. That is another failure in the broken system. The headaches are not sought, but will be delivered all the same.

I hoped to explain in simple terms for anyone who had missed what I took as sarcasm. But if you see a benefit, then do carry on.

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Anonymous #213981 :

First post sarcastic? Well, I’d prefer “jocular”. But never mind: your remark on it is, if not spot on, certainly in the right ballpark.

As to the statement on “waiting for (suspected, potential) headaches to come to me…”: that’s my life’s motto, no more — and no less.

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Now, I have to add “confusing” to the mix. Although the July patches never had the DEFCON approval, as early as Aug 4th you said you had installed the Group B patch KB4338823 (even though it contained the same known issues as the SQMR). then went on to say in #208685

Following the preceding entry from DrBonzo, and entirely driven by an abiding desire to advance Patching Science, I decided to continue with the experiment already described further up by installing KB4345459, even while am convinced that is very unlikely to be needed in my PC Windows 7 Pro SP1 x64 , CPU I-7 “Sandy Bridge”, given the way I use and am likely to continue to use my by now 7-year old machine.

I am wondering how this fits with your “life’s motto”?

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OscarCP wrote:

Well… maybe “no previews” means “no September patches”?

(Oh, a man can only dream!)

What it means to me is that the September patches won’t be beta tested. Sigh.

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JCCWSusser #214041 :

” What it means to me [no preview patches] is that the September patches won’t be beta tested. Sigh. ”

They will be, as usual, by us. So just hang in there at least until enough of our fellow Woody citizens have volunteered to install the new patches and reported back here. (Some also with the appropriate show of hair pulling, ash pouring on said hair, and corresponding lamentations.) When things finally go quiet for at least a week, be a daredevil and patch away. That’s what I’ll do, anyway.

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Hi all!

Just a question that slowly but surely starts to worry us. Maybe this is not the right place to ask, but I don’t know where else to place. The situation is as follows: we run a small business with a handfull of Windows 10 computers. They are all on 1709, updates set to Semni Annual, 365 days deferral against feature updates (AKA upgrades). We installed 1709 in March this year. The questions:

– Do the 365 days start from the moment of installing the update, or from the moment Microsoft released it as ‘business ready’?

– We can’t afford to run upgrades this September, that’s a very busy month and we would lose aasignments because of that. Also, 1803 isn’t known as very stable…

– As far as I understood 1709 was business ready at Jan. 11 2018. I deerly hope that we will not get treated on an update on Jan 11 2019, because that is also a very busy period for us, just after holidays.

– Is there ANY way to get a bit more certainty about when we get an upgrade pushed?

– Is there a way to already gain some extra days (even if it would be only a couple of weeks, that would already be great) after Jan 11 2019?

 

Thanks for reading this!

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Read the post “How to upgrade from Win 10 Pro 1703 to 1709 – and not 1803” 3 posts below.

You will find detailed answers and alternatives to your situation within that.  How to select which version you would like, and how to download and hide what you don’t want.

I believe that the timer on ver 1709 started on October 17, 2017 regardless of when you installed.  And has and End of Service on April 9, 2019.

Also there are quite a few within here that think 1803 is not too bad at this point if you take the leap, but read the post it goes through all this.

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Ok, thanks! Will read through it. The thing is, if 1803 or whatever version is good doesn’t matter that much to us. The main problem is that upgrading is a risky, time consuming process. Which often requires removal and reinsallation of AV-software, checking all settings Microsoft changes against our will etc. A computer here isn’t a toy, but something to earn money with. And to be very honest, we start to have more then enough of this Windows as a ‘service’. For small companies it causes lots of stress and is nearly unworkable. Looking at alternatives now, MacBooks for mobile working look the most tempting at the moment. We have one iMac now and it’s much better to maintain etc. So tired of 10 :-/

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Your thoughts and concerns are in line with most followers here.

I am on the same version (1709) timing etc as you. Many of us are, so next version decision time is coming upon us. Whether to hold, go to 1803 or soon 1809, and how not to get a version you don’t want.

If I recall correctly, Woody himself is on 1703 contemplating a change to 1803.

So read through the other post, and stay tuned.  I’m sure there will be much more regarding 1803 as others decide on their next version.

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Anonymous #214077  :

Maybe you could try a different operating system in one of your machines, or in another one borrowed or bought for this purpose, to see if you would like it as an alternative to Windows? Or do you absolutely need to stay with Windows, regardless of how bad this is, and still can get, for you?

I do not know the practical details, but there have been some people explaining some of this elsewhere here at Woody’s (e.g. in “Macs for Windows Wonks”), but as an “easy-listening” alternative to Windows, as far as switching over to something with a user-friendly graphical user interface goes and compatible with many Windows applications as well as peripherals (printers, monitors, external hard disks, etc), I would seriously recommend looking into Macs. They are expensive compared to Windows PCs, but you could get a refurbished old one much cheaper and try it this way. The bad thing about this is that, were you to chose to go with Macs, you would have to buy several Macs to shift from Win PCs to Macs. Maybe someone here might have a better idea.

Just a thought. Hope this helps you.

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anonymous wrote:

The situation is as follows: we run a small business with a handfull of Windows 10 computers. They are all on 1709, updates set to Semni Annual, 365 days deferral against feature updates (AKA upgrades). We installed 1709 in March this year. The questions:

– Do the 365 days start from the moment of installing the update, or from the moment Microsoft released it as ‘business ready’?

Neither. You’re deferring the NEXT feature update(s) by that number of days. So, one year from 7/10/2018 as that’s when 1803 was released to Semi-Annual Channel (Broad, not Targeted).

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Previews seem to be showing up today? I saw the previews for Windows 8.1 come in today (dated 8-31-18 – tomorrow for some reason) in windows update. KB4343891(Win 8.1 rollup) and KB4346082 (.net) that are dated 8-30-18 in the Windows Catalog.

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Yes, in the last few hours, but still nothing for Win10 – Win7, 8.1 & Server 2012 showing in catalog.microsoft.com

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