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She had a well filled life.  Through all the toils and troubles, through living through the Blitz during World War II to jumping out of airplanes with
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Isn’t it crazy that to this day there are queens and kings ruling people?! What makes them so special?!

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Dear Susan,

Thankyou for your kind words. I am a Brit and an avid reader of AskWoody so I appreciate it. She was a wonderful woman. She served her people well for over 70 years. She was my Queen (and most Brit’s Queen) for all of my life.

Jeff

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Thank you Susan, her passing is a great loss to the UK.

Whether one agrees with Monarchy or not, no one can deny the work and sheer dedication with which she carried her duty

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To David F and Jeff  I can merely agree.

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Avid reader, and brit here. Its a very sad day. That is all.

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I have some good memories of “Betty Windsor” as she was known with both kind and less than kind intent in Australia when I lived there: her end-of year speeches at Christmas were always oddly comforting to me.

As there were no communication satellites at the time, when she was crowned the film of her coronation ceremony was flown to many countries, including mine at the time, where I saw it with my parents and some relatives, when I was a boy.

She did her bit, and very aptly as well, to modernize the British Crown approach to public relations, among things that needed dusting up — and in some other ways. And she weathered, well enough I think, the many odd issues repeatedly uppermost in the public eye, of the other members of her unusual family. She lived and was, at times, in the hot seat during all these particularly turbulent times in World and British history.

It seems, from the news, that she got ill, took to bed and died, just like that, like the famous mythical horse-drawn cart that, once it gets to the point when it can’t work anymore, falls completely apart and disintegrates. At least I hope so.

She was 96 and had been Queen for 70 years. Her passing feels to me more like the deeply regretted end of an old-fashioned show (e.g. that of the Oil Carte Company that staged all those Gilbert and Sullivan comic operettas enjoyed by many, including when put up by local players in all those nights of “dinner and a show”) that has kept going, or else being replayed, thanks to the dedicated support of its fans. Which in her case have been in the millions.

Regardless of people’s opinions on the place, if any, of a monarchy in the 21st Century, she was always there, but now she is not. And that makes me sad.

In Memoriam Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor.

 

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I am an Australian living in Canada now.  I remember learning ‘God save the Queen’ when I started school (70 years ago).  They will have to change the words for Charles III.  Our money will have the King’s ‘head’ on it soon on – another change.  Had never heard her referred to as Betty Windsor. Her real last name is German (Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) – changed in 1917 and I understand that she was primarily called Lizbeth.  Names don’t really matter on this occasion as she was a well loved and respected woman.

Her death marks the end of the 2nd Elizabethan era. A woman, a Queen, an inspiration.

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Yes, NoLoki, and as a Canadian now living in the States, I too remember singing God Save the Queen at school at the start of every day. I hadn’t thought of the little changes that will occur now there is a king and not a queen. Thanks for the memories!

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As an Australian Citizen now living in the USA, the (unofficial) anthem in Oz was “Advance Australian Fair”, and “God Save the Queen” the official one, when I lived there, some forty years ago. That has changed, and now “Advance” is the National Anthem and “God save” the Royal Anthem, sang only in very special occasions.

“God Save the Queen” was the official anthem, because Elizabeth II was (and remained) also Queen of Australia and, therefore, my very own Queen! And now Charles is my King. (The Aussie anti-monarchist movement has not succeeded, yet, but it’s still trying and might be even gaining some traction.)

To clarify a few points about her name and nicknames:

At least when I lived in Oz, she was also known informally there as “Betty Windsor.” Her nickname back in the UK, among her close relatives and personal friends, was “Lilibet”, supposedly because that was how she mispronounced her name when learning to talk.

Also, her family name was no longer Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, because she was baptized and officially registered as a Windsor, as all members of the British Royal Family have been since WWI. That’s history.

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Thanks Susan.

As another Brit, I have long admired the Queen for her extraordinary lifetime of service to the UK and the Commonwealth. Her devotion to duty was unparalleled, and she was widely respected and admired by monarchists and republicans alike. We have lost a unique head of state, and sadly it is unlikely that her kind will ever come again. My profound sympathy to her family.

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Save_Us_from_MS wrote:

Isn’t it crazy that to this day there are queens and kings ruling people?! What makes them so special?!

It’s peculiar what royalty does to Americans.
With the death of Elisabeth II one of the very last representatives of an ancient civilization has passed away.
R.I.P.

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Perhaps the comment did not have an American origin.

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I didn’t say this had to do with the country of origin of this comment.
This is a very legitimate way of looking at an old way of governing.
I was reminding of an older English civilization that represented one of history.

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Save_as_from_MS: “Isn’t it crazy that to this day there are queens and kings ruling people?! What makes them so special?!”

She “ruled” but did not govern. The British Prime Minister, the Parliament and the Courts did and do.

And I don’t know about “them”, kings and queens, being “so special.”

But she was special to her people in her own right, as a person, and that’s what counts.

And she was special to others as well:

https://apnews.com/article/queen-elizabeth-ii-health-live-updates-28537519c60312a666576e2bb18cf31a?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_2

Quote: “The U.N. Security Council stood in silent tribute to Queen Elizabeth II at the start of a meeting on Ukraine on Thursday after France’s U.N. ambassador, Nicolas De Riviere, the current council president, sent condolences on behalf of its 15 members to the government and people of the United Kingdom, her family and friends.”

In times of most bitter confrontation, she still unifies, as she often did, if only for a moment.

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If you really believe some people’s blood is special and it automatically grants them the right to rule other people for generations forever, I don’t know what to tell you…

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It’s a shame that you feel the need to troll this thread about the lifelong devotion of duty on the part of an inspirational lady still working up to her death at 96 with anti-monarchy rhetoric, in doing so confusing the roles of the monarch and the government. Shame on you.

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It’s not trolling to have a dissenting opinion.  In America where I grew up I respected Princess Diana.  The way the queen treated her like garbage, most likely got her killed.  Most people are anti monarchy and prefer freedom.  Enough kings / queens / ayatollahs etc.

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There’s a time and a place for dissenting opinions about the monarchy versus republicanism. This thread is not that time or place.

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I agree fully with Sef ( #2476639 ).

To all those that seem to believe here that people in the UK are groaning under the oppression of their kings and queens:

Monarchs in several parliamentary democracies, such as The Netherlands, the UK, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. do not rule. They are Heads of State with purely ceremonial roles, except in a few rare occasions when they have, for example, to decide who is going to be Prime minister when there is a hung Parliament, meaning that no party or coalition has enough votes there, among its members, to elect a new Prime Minister. They are suppose to give their approval to laws passed by Parliament, but the approval is automatic in practice and it would be considered a very serious, actually an egregious, breach of trust if the monarch actually rejected a law so passed.
(In the case of Australia and New Zealand, the Queen functions are delegated to a Crown representative: the Governor-General.)

The functions of the monarch are exercised, in other parliamentary democracies, Germany and Israel, for example, by a Head of State usually known as the “President”, also with a mostly ceremonial role, except in rare occasions.

The main relevant reason for disagreement among the citizens of those democratic countries with monarchies is about whether keeping their monarchy is worth the cost of its upkeep, that is always considerable.

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OK I ask in all humility, just what did she do besides vacation all over the world?
Good work if you can get it no?
Her son (and his late wife) did seem to do some good, but I am ignorant as too it all.
Just an honest answer is what i am asking

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wavy wrote:

OK I ask in all humility, just what did she do besides vacation all over the world?
Good work if you can get it no?
Her son (and his late wife) did seem to do some good, but I am ignorant as too it all.
Just an honest answer is what i am asking

.@ Wavy  see please:  #2478012

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A sad loss. Stoicism and a sense of duty were the defining characteristics of her reign, rare attributes among public figures these days.
May she rest in peace.

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An Stoic Queen…poor thing suffering in a castle surrounded by what looks like heaven on earth LOL

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Not a huge fan of royalty but I always admired the Queen and how she conducted herself as a positive force for all. There will be many that will miss her ability to preside with grace.

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Thank you Susan, your post is much appreciated by this 79 year old Brit who well remembers her Coronation day. We watched it on our small screen monochrome TV with many neighbours packed into our front room. It was a wet day but the fancy dress parade and sports went ahead on the village cricket pitch. This is certainly the end of an era for the UK.

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Queen Elizabeth II. RIP.
The titular Head of State of the British system of Government. A political system, imperfect, flawed; but copied around the globe.
She represented the UK, at an apolitical, impartial level of governance. A grand lady, sorely missed. AK

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The world would be a better place if all leaders conducted themselves with the class and dignity displayed by Queen Elizabeth II.  Rest in peace.

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[Fred]

This remains an all-time story about the Queen EII R :

 

https://twitter.com/davidmackau/status/1567894552744271872?t=yQCFD1W1yFv1DMAn7witUQ&s=09

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Delightful! Thanks so much for posting it, Fred!

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I truly love the way you phrased it, that we’ve long ago left their governance but we still appreciate how this Queen’s life was very well lived. To me, she demonstrated that she couldn’t really be a leader without having first been a follower — she worked in the Royal Army motor pool as a driver and mechanic during World War II

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Thank you for your lovely comments, Susan. To me, Queen Elizabeth embodied the qualities of true leadership: integrity, grit, steadfastness, reliability, honour, accountability. She adapted to so many changes in her lifetime and did so with grace and good humour. At the time she became queen, we were still living in Canada. As a young Brownie, waving my small Union Jack flag,  I got to see the newly crowned queen leave Canada’s Parliament buildings. I can still remember the thrill I felt as I saw her drive past only a few feet away. The world has lost a very special human being.

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In a somewhat lighter and informative way:

So: “the British/Australian, etc. King/Queen is dead. God save the British/Australian, etc. Queen/King!”

Although, as being among other things an Australian citizen, Charles is now officially my King (one more among other things he now has to worry about), I don’t really pay much attention.
But I know, from personal observation, that there are some who are really keen on this.
If you are one of them, have a treat:

First, the whole British Royal Family current descendance tree and then, in more detail, a brief explanation of where each member stands in the line of succession these days, would Charles pass away (he’s 74) and enough of the others followed his lead, to become my next King or Queen, if I lived long enough:

Or: Who’s first and who’s No. 22?

Just keep scrolling:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23272491

 

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Seeing the notation that this topic had 17 reply threads reminded me that King Edward III of the 14th century had 17 children. As of the start of World War I, it was officially estimated in the UK from birth records that He had approximately 100,000 official living descendants at that time (far more now). Among them are the Spencer family that Princess Diana was a member of. Since there is some dubious speculation as to whether King Charles III’s family are actually also his descendants (the Queen may not be descended from John of Gaunt and Edward III, the lineage on which the Tudor claim to the throne originated), the fact that William, The Prince of Wales, is also the son of Diana Spencer, the former Princess of Wales, whose lineage is not contested, should put the question to rest. As to “what makes their blood so special,” nothing really, just history and tradition. As OscarCP stated so well above, their role in the UK’s parliamentary democracy is purely ceremonial as Head of State. They have no essential governmental role other than that. But history and tradition are very big in the UK; and the history of the British Monarchy is exceedingly rich with conquest and valiant leadership in defending that nation and making it into the great country it is today. The Monarchy also contributes enormously to the British economy, far far more than it takes from the treasury to support it, given how much of their economy depends on tourism; and the efforts of the Royals in supporting charities is enormous as well. Since King Charles III is just four months older than myself, it likely will not be that long before Prince William takes his place as King after him. I think the people of the UK will be very pleased with their Royal Family then.

 

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I once heard a story about Queen Elizabeth: A guest was dining at her table. The guest mistakenly took a sip from their finger-washing bowl. In order to save her guest any embarrassment, the Queen also took a sip from her finger-washing bowl. True nobility on the part of the Queen.

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I’ve heard that same story, Mr. Jim Phelps and, apocryphal or not, it does show her character and consideration of others.

Linda

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I just read this today online …

Since 1947, the law has required new citizens of Canada to swear an oath to the monarch and their successors. While the wording has been changed on a few occasions since Queen Elizabeth’s reign began, new Canadians have been swearing their oaths to her for 70 years now.

That changed Thursday afternoon following her passing. those attending a virtual citizenship ceremony were among the first to swear an oath of allegiance to the new monarch, King Charles III.

(credit to the Canadian Broadcasting Company online news).

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Sparing also a thought for the new King:

I think Charles has his heart in the right place. So I’ll not be hasty in prejudging how he may conduct his royal business.

But, then again, he’s not going to have that much actual influence in government, as already explained more than once here. And now a new King with rather liberal ideas and not much enthusiastic public support (yet) is going to have to deal with an also new PM that may be quite the conservative. Which, for whatever reason, brings to memory this totally unrelated phrase:

“You might very well think that; I couldn’t possibly comment.”

From an old BBC TV show I think? “To Play the King”?
Or an even earlier one somehow related to that one?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Play_the_King

But then again, he might have watched the same show and kept it in mind all along:

https://fortune.com/2022/09/10/king-charles-give-up-environmentalist-activist-past-as-king/

Excerpts:

“Prince Charles may have been one of the world’s most vocal environmentalists, but King Charles III likely won’t be able to speak as candidly.”

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“The lifelong environmentalist’s ascent to such a prominent public position appears predestined. King Charles III becomes Britain’s monarch just as an energy crisis begins to sweep the U.K. and the rest of Europe, with soaring electricity and heating bills exposing the continent’s reliance on foreign fossil fuels and igniting calls for a faster, more decisive switch to renewable energy.

But by the new regent’s own admission, there is a world of difference between being a king and being a prince. In spite of his record as an outspoken champion of environmental issues, King Charles III implied long before taking the throne that not even he could make an activist king a reality.”

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“Asked at the time [during an interview in 2018] whether he would continue his public campaigning as monarch, the future king responded bluntly.

“No, it won’t. I’m not that stupid,” he said.“

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MrJimPhelps wrote:

I once heard a story about Queen Elizabeth: A guest was dining at her table. The guest mistakenly took a sip from their finger-washing bowl. In order to save her guest any embarrassment, the Queen also took a sip from her finger-washing bowl. True nobility on the part of the Queen.

An almost certainly apocryphal story, that goes back at least as far as queen Victoria

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[Fred]

Some reality too, tuning down heatingcosts.

reporting for The Guardian:
Adam Gabbatt and agencies
Fri 24 Sep 2010 14.47 BST

The Queen requested a poverty grant to help heat her palaces, but was refused because government ministers feared it would cause a public relations backlash.
In an effort to cut the royal household’s soaring electricity and gas bills, a senior aide wrote to the Department for Culture, Media and Sport in 2004 to ask if the Queen would be eligible for a handout from a £60m energy-saving fund.

The cost of utilities doubled in 2004 and the aide said the £1m bill for the royal palaces was “untenable”. He also complained that the £15m government grant to maintain the Queen’s palaces was inadequate.</p>

However, the request for a grant to replace four combined heat and power units at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle was turned down in August 2004, according to documents obtained by the Independent under the Freedom of Information Act.

In an email sent to the palace, it was explained that the handouts were aimed at schools, hospitals, councils and housing associations for heating programmes that benefited low-income families.</p>
The official also expressed concern that if Buckingham Palace was given money from the fund it would lead to “probable adverse press coverage”.
“I think this is where the Community Energy Funding is directed and ties in with most allocations going to community heating schemes run by local authorities, housing associations, universities etc,” the email said.
“I also feel a bit uneasy about the probable adverse press coverage if the palace were given a grant at the expense of say a hospital. Sorry this doesn’t sound more positive.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/sep/24/queen-poverty-grant-buckingham-palace

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman declined to comment on the disclosures.

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Fred, this was in the newspapers everywhere. Many of the comments here are clearly from AskWoody subscribers in the UK, so most likely they already knew this.

And in fact, if one thinks about it, she did have a point: if people want to have a monarchy with all the trimmings, they better pay for it. Because an old pile like Buckingham Palace must get really cold inside in winter unless it is well heated, and that is not going to be cheap.

But she did not get the money: she was rebuked. Which is an example of how modern kings and queens are in those offices and stay there only with the consent of their people. And ultimately it is for their people to decide what to do about them, and no one else has a say on that.

I am no monarchist, but whether to keep or get rid of it, among what to me are the 10 most important issues of our times, this is number 186.

Finally, I believe this is a thread meant for people to express their sympathies, and their personal grief, something clear in many comments written here, on the occasion of the death of Queen Elizabeth, someone who has been a comforting presence for so many for so long. Respecting those feelings, the monarchy itself is a topic better discussed elsewhere, for example in “Rants.” Start a thread there, and I may have something to write in it.

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wavy wrote:

OK I ask in all humility, just what did she do besides vacation all over the world?
Good work if you can get it no?
Her son (and his late wife) did seem to do some good, but I am ignorant as too it all.
Just an honest answer is what i am asking

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none of that works for me

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This ought to work, just recent…

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I guess some people just cant take a hint.

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Hear, hear, Oscar. There is a place for those comments and it isn’t here. Thanks for speaking up.

Linda

P.S. Loved the family/succession tree!

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Guess I probably shouldn’t post as I’m not well-versed on other parts of the world and I’m not much on the monarchy but I will say she sure seemed to exhibit class, dignity, and compassion from what I’ve seen in my years. Doesn’t mean I think she was perfect or that I agreed with all of what she’s done. She broke tradition to play our National Anthem after 9/11. She loved dogs! ‘Nuff for me!

I wish her family the best and pray they will find peace and comfort. This American is saddened by her death!

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Me, too, cyberSAR … and also because I was born in Canada and grew up singing “God Save the Queen” every morning in elementary school. Besides, I loved her hats and her oh-so-perfectly co-ordinated outfits! Such elegance.

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OscarCP wrote:

Finally, I believe this is a thread meant for people to express their sympathies, and their personal grief, something clear in many comments written here, on the occasion of the death of Queen Elizabeth, someone who has been a comforting presence for so many for so long. Respecting those feelings, the monarchy itself is a topic better discussed elsewhere, for example in “Rants.” Start a thread there, and I may have something to write in it.

Indeed. I heartily agree.

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OscarCP wrote:

And in fact, if one thinks about it, she did have a point: if people want to have a monarchy with all the trimmings, they better pay for it. Because an old pile like Buckingham Palace must get really cold inside in winter unless it is well heated, and that is not going to be cheap.

Perhaps, one should think a little further before judging people that bring facts instead of feelings:

Inside ‘The Firm’: How The Royal Family’s $28 Billion Money Machine Really Works

https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/03/10/inside-the-firm-how-the-royal-familys-28-billion-money-machine-really-works/?sh=25f827642bcc

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Perhaps, before criticizing, one should understand first the whole point being made.

And now I am done with this for good. Please, have it your way.

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[Fred]

the end of an era

Your complete guide to the Queen’s funeral
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60617519

Queen Elizabeth’s funeral: Order of service at Westminster Abbey
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62948934

The order of service for Queen’s committal at St George’s Chapel at Windsor Castle
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62952665

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/queen-elizabeth-ii-funeral-watch-live-stream-today-2022-09-19/

R.I.P.

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Watching the coverage on BBC America.

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A recollection of another funeral occasion that comes to mind and might be appropriate to mention here:

When Diana was killed in a car accident, I was living for a while in Holland and saw there, on a real-time rebroadcast of BBC TV, the arrival of her body to London and its procession to Westminster Abbey, I think it was, for a final service there. In her coffin, she was coming back from a tour of England and probably also Wales, because of her title, perhaps Scotland too, and everywhere multitudes had lined the road in deepest silence as she went by. And so it was as well in her last journey through London.

It was haunting:

The BBC commenter in voiceover said: “Never since the Middle Ages such an expression of popular grief has been seen in this country as it is happening now.”

As the funeral cortege approached it, the bells of the church sent shivers up and down my spine as they suddenly started pealing the two notes of a tolling for the dead. Very loud and very, very jarringly.

I shall never forget those bells.

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I am glad that Diana Spencer is remembered so lovingly.
She has been “forgotten” in the formal and latest ceremonies this week;
she was good and tender.

The people loved her dearly.

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