The InfoWorld review: Windows 10 Creators Update is worth waiting for

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But don’t be in a hurry to install it.
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Did I read that headline correctly? A Windows update that’s worth waiting for? IS THE WORLD COMING TO AN END?!

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Microfix, joseph_l_duran45

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Let’s not forget… The important part of this headline is WAITING!

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Woody, thanks for a far more balanced and practical review than we’re likely to see from Messrs. Bott, Thurrott et al. ?

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Woody, there’s a typo in your update, the release date should read April 11.

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woody

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UPDATE: Microsoft has just confirmed general availability for March 11.

MikeFromMarkham wrote:

Woody, there’s a typo in your update, the release date should read April 11.

That’s just Microsoft trying to redefine reality again.

The software is numbered 1703 (2017, 3rd month), so they’re redefining April as March so the release won’t be late.

-Noel

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Great article Woody!

When I only saw the title, I knew it would be second degree!

There are two main things for me that are more salient in all this.

First is the ability to snooze update. I find this is the biggest new feature in terms of impact to productivity. I love the fact that you can prevent a restart of your computer when you don’t feel like it for up to 3 days. I’d like it to be like previous Windows, but hey, it is better than all Windows 10 before, at least. After killing windows and replacing them by full screen apps in Windows 8, restoring them for Windows 10, we might hope to have a series of new features where they reintroduce things people took for granted in the previous Windows versions. That is the kind of new features that gets me excited.

Second, “I’m particularly concerned by the setting that says Microsoft can use diagnostic data to “get more relevant tips and recommendations to tailor Microsoft products and services for your needs.” If Microsoft is using “diagnostic data” to target tips and recommendations—presumably advertising—we should all be suspicious of “diagnostic data.””

If find that a bit unsettling actually. What information do we give that is good enough for them to tailor ads? Hopefully, it is only when diagnostic data is set to full that it gets enough info for that and not when in basic. In fact, didn’t Microsoft promised to reduce the amount gathered for those who chose basic in CU?

Oh, by the way, my friend the artist is so excited to use Paint 3D he considers not buying professional software anymore and switch from Mac because Windows has clearly surpassed any tool used by creative professionals with this version. Plus it is now so much simpler than Mac to use.

 

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AlexEiffel wrote:

Oh, by the way, my friend the artist is so excited to use Paint 3D he considers not buying professional software anymore and switch from Mac because Windows has clearly surpassed any tool used by creative professionals with this version. Plus it is now so much simpler than Mac to use.

WHAT???!!! Did Adobe shares just drop 99%?

Somehow I cannot believe Paint 3D can replace any professional software…

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CorelDRAW suite has just been shot down in flames also! ¬ 

Windows - commercial by definition and now function...

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Pardon me for being cynical, but “the best version of Windows 10” still doesn’t have a good ring to it.

If you’re absolutely positively h*** bent on running 10, sure, go right ahead. If you don’t have to, don’t. It’s a shame we’ve come this far and one of the positives is the ability to SNOOZE an update; you still can’t REFUSE them, you still have telemetry, you still have ads… but I guess it’s “better than nothing” if that’s the realm you have to live in.

 

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W7 & 8.1 aside, if W10 was that good, there would be no need for this lounge or website!

(No offence intended)

Edit: Also the same date Windows Vista is due for support retirement

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Not to mention that you gotta unnecessarily learn a new way of doing things for no added value whatsoever.

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After carefully reading Woody’s review of Creators Update, my apathy toward the upcoming latest and greatest from WaaS is now officially confirmed: I found not one new “feature” in Creator’s Update to be of any use to me whatsoever. Soooo … I don’t need it, I don’t want it, and I won’t voluntarily accept it on any of my current computers. Which, BTW, all have leftover glitches and bugs and things that no longer work or don’t work right, but that I’ve had to live with since up… upd…upda… updat … (dang, this is hard to get out) … updating (there) to the Anniversary Upgrade.

After literally months of agonizing, researching, and fixing what WaaS broke, bricked and hosed, I just don’t want to ever go through anything like that nightmare again. Ever. I’m definitely taking Woody’s advice and holding off on this Creators thingy for as long as MS will let me. Maybe even longer on my older computers. There IS a Windows Update Off switch … for now, anyhow.

And I’ve always been one to go after the “latest and greatest” all my life. I cut my (computing) teeth on Novell DOS, the Macintosh 128k, and Windows 3.1. My first home computer was a Packard-Bell with Windows 3.1. Through the years, when the old machines got too old to upgrade to the latest OS, I bought new machines. I’ve done that until the Anniversary Upgrade (although I skipped WIN 8. Tried it a few times on a test partition, but never could pull the trigger on that piece of garbage).

Now, with the new WaaS, I’m staying put unless and until MS makes some mighty big changes for the better. Should any of my current computers expire before then, I’ll go to plan B. Whatever that might be, I can’t say. But I’ll be here on Ask Woody and The Forum daily getting the best help and advice from the most helpful group of folks, from regular computer users to IT experts and those in between — like me — you can find anywhere on the Internet.

Thanks, ya’ll!

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After reading Woody’s review I am struck by the fact there are no most have, got-get ASAP features. A few niche “features” that most will never use or may already have a better solution. This seems to be the basic, underlying problem with W10, nothing there to excite people no matter what the market drones foam at the mouth with. It points to a problem with all software, one is dealing with mature products that already have the capability most users will ever need plus some. MS can try various schemes to hide that fact such as not allowing W7 to work on the latest Intel chips but it is still true.

All readily available OSes are mature products that come with the features users need already built in. Other than gamesmanship over inconsequential, niche features they all the do the basic job users want. The only issue is user financial investment into a platform and willingness to move to another OS.

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I wonder, given the inherent dynamic nature of a “last version of Windows” , whether Windows 10 can ever be regarded as mature.

Earlier Windows versions had their feature-set set in concrete. If you liked it you upgraded to it, safe in the knowledge that there would be no major changes. If you didn’t like it, you stayed with an earlier Windows version.

What’s a Windows 10 user to do when they dislike a major change? Learn to live with it, or stop accepting updates, or move to a pre-Windows 10 version. Not really much of a choice…

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W10 may be the last version. Two possibilities seem to be likely. First, most users find that using a Chromebook, Mac, or switching to a Linux distro fulfils their needs. Windows becomes a niche product probably heavily used by enterprise and rarely seen elsewhere. This might be the best possible outcome for MS financially. Enterprises do not mind paying license fees to a vendor for supposedly needed support. Second MS figures out that all users want stability and consistency over ever changing niche features being added and subtracted on a whim. W10 becomes a true rolling/semi-rolling release OS with a pared down base and optional features added from a repository. W10 would resemble Arch Linux or Chakra Linux in behavior and feel. In either case, the advertising and telemetry must go. Telemetry must be under full user control and default to none. The second option would probably keep Windows as the dominant desktop OS but would saddle MS with supporting a large number of low margin customers who are not paying regular fees to MS. With these customers also have a wider variety of hardware and software configurations than a typical enterprise user.

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You have just described the reason why sware vendors MUST keep changing their products and avoid stability — mature, satisfactory products may have been profitable, but are no longer.

So there’s change for change’s sake, not for value added to the user.

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@Lurks_about Yeah you hit the nail on the head there really is not “Must Have Features” in Win10. Thet should really work on the stability issues first and quality not the quantity of new versions or updates that they can churn out. As you have intimated The real reason theres no new totally updated version on the horizon is theres probably no where to go as in radical shift in “Windoze” as we know it for the forseeable future. Probably if Quantum computing ever makes it to the desktop/laptop we may see a new version but I bet you, despite being able to compute in apparently 4 places at one time, it will still lock up on a regular basis and probably managing to do that in 4 different places all at one time lol

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iew_IV83_5g

 

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So doing some browser tests I noticed using Octane 2.0 that Edge is slower on Creator than Anniversary. But Chrome is faster by quite a bit. Using a Dell 3050 desktop with a Intel J1800 CPU I managed 7900 Score with Edge in Anniversary and 7600 in Creator. Chrome scored 8000 in Anniversary and 8600 in Creator. Just from using both browsers in Creator they seem to bear out the results. Wonder if any other testers have noticed similar results?

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Fascinating!

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Missing pieces: What Microsoft failed to deliver in the Windows 10 Creators Update

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3185550/windows/missing-pieces-what-microsoft-failed-to-deliver-in-windows-10-creators-update.html

 

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Doesn’t provide much in the way of stopping updates. But at least if you can defer them for a while in critical times. Like those binge gaming sessions. Obviously Home users don’t get many update tools as Pro and for a while I considered Pro upgrade just for the control. But thought better of it unless I can find a good upgrade deal. Think my next PC purchase will be with Win 10 Pro not Home. Creator for me just is a refinement release hopefully and really nothing else. Consensus already on the gaming mode seems pretty muted and not a significant advantage. More incremental Edge improvements which I don’t use anyway, and will probably see more Microsoft nag ads for there products. Yippee!

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