The good and bad of 24H2

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PATCH WATCH By Susan Bradley We’re getting closer to the next round of Microsoft’s feature releases, this time in the form of Windows 11 24H2. Microso
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I am not panicking. For the moment, this is an opt-in technology that will not be enabled by default.

Recall is enabled by default.

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It can’t be enabled on hardware which does not support it. Probably most PCs people now own will not make the 24H2 upgrade.

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rc primak wrote:

Probably most PCs people now own will not make the 24H2 upgrade.

Which requirement will prevent that?

This minute change won’t make any difference to Windows 11 users today. All modern systems that support Windows 11 already have SSE 4.2. In fact, SSE4.2 has been around for nearly 20 years, and almost every processor has supported it for just as long.
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Systems that can run Windows 11 today or come with Windows 11 will be able to run 24H2 without any problems.

Microsoft blocks some PCs from Windows 11 24H2 — CPU must support SSE4.2 or the OS will not boot

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I’d be willing to bet that many of the people running Win11 23H2 have older hardware and have used Rufus or Registry settings to bypass Win11 requirements. Will these also be able to run Win11 24H2?

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Yes:

Flyby11: open source tool to upgrade to Windows 11 [24H2] on unsupported hardware

How to install Windows 11 24H2 on unsupported hardware

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I’ve seen it reported both ways so I’m reserving judgement until I get my hands on it.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Alex5723 wrote:

I am not panicking. For the moment, this is an opt-in technology that will not be enabled by default.

Recall is enabled by default.

From what I’ve read, it only works on the ARM port. Is the Recall code in the x86 version at all?

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No way am I going to use a Microsoft Account login or enable Bitlocker on my PCs.

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Why not? (I use both on Windows 11 version 24H2.)

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That doesn’t make it everyone’s choice.

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I’m curious about what people have against convenience and security.

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b wrote:

I’m curious about what people have against convenience and security.

TRUST! or the lack of due to trickery since 29th July 2015 about sums that up!

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b wrote:

I’m curious about what people have against convenience and security.

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems, we don’t need anyone’s approval, and we don’t all have to do the same things.

While I do have Microsoft 365 and use OneDrive, and OneDrive requires a Microsoft account, it does not have to be an account on my PC.  OneDrive logs in automatically without me having to log into my PC with a Microsoft account.

I have only local accounts on my machines, and that’s all I need; I’ve satisfied my personal need for convenience and security.  That’s just my preference, and you’re welcome to yours.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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No to Bitlocker — it complicates backup and recovery, especially since I use Macrium Reflect and it has an offline USB WinRE recovery environment which does not like Bitlocker.

No to a Microsoft Account because my storage is local, my backups are local and my email is not through Outlook. I have no need or desire to sync data across Windows, Android or Linux devices through a Cloud Service. (One exception is photos from my Android Phone. Those use Google Services, not Microsoft.)

The only other “benefit” I can see for using a Microsoft Account login is to have Microsoft doing “telemetry” on all my activities, eventually serving up ads or using Copilot instead of the current Troubleshooters. Not a good change, if you ask me.

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rc primak wrote:

The only other “benefit” I can see for using a Microsoft Account login is to have Microsoft doing “telemetry” on all my activities, eventually serving up ads …

Is there any evidence that logging in with a Microsoft account increases telemetry or ads?

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Is there any evidence that logging in with a Microsoft account increases telemetry or ads?

In my experience, the burden is on Microsoft here.  Is there any verifiable evidence that logging in with a Microsoft account does not increase telemetry and/or ads?

What is Microsoft’s imperative for requiring logging in with a Microsoft account, going so far as to make the process of not setting up a Microsoft account difficult for users?

I, for one, do not want to sync my devices via a Microsoft account.  They each have distinct uses to suit my digital environment, and syncing them would serve no useful purpose whatsoever.

Copilot requires logging in with a Microsoft account.  No Microsoft account, no Copilot; that’s a win/win for me.

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Windows Spotlight and copilot become more active and more personalized when using a Microsoft Cloud Account as a login. So do the core group of preinstalled MS Store Apps.  I’m not saying people should avoid this login method. Only that for me it makes zero sense. Maybe less than zero. Syncing my devices is the last thing I would want.

Is privacy compromised by using a Microsoft Account login? No. So what? It’s still an annoyance to me, not a benefit.

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Susan asks and answers an interesting question at the end: “Am I willing to start recommending everyone rip out Windows and start deploying Mint? No.” This is the situation that I face regarding two of my three Windows PCs. They are (evidently) not capable of running Windows 11, yet I don’t like the idea of throwing them on the trash heap when Windows 10 expires. So I am thinking that I need to convert them to Linux Mint and somehow convert my current processes to run under that operating system. I wonder if others have experience with such a transformation.

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I don’t use Linux Mint, but I do use Kubuntu Linux, and I have experience with making the transition from Windows.

The basic idea is that most everything that you can do in Windows, you can do in Linux with either (1) its own specialized applications, or (2) Windows programs ported over to Linux, or (3) the Windows emulator WINE, which will enable you to run many programs written for Windows. (For the nitpickers: yes, I know they say “WINE is not an emulator”, but really that’s the most practical term for what they do.)

There are a number of AskWoody members in various stages of switching to Linux who can share their experiences with you. Feel free to ask!

 

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@huntpt – Start a new topic about moving from Windows to Linux/Mint and I bet you’ll get a lot of responses about the good, bad, and yes, sometimes even the ugly, of ditching Windows for Mint.

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huntpt wrote:

Susan asks and answers an interesting question at the end: “Am I willing to start recommending everyone rip out Windows and start deploying Mint? No.” This is the situation that I face regarding two of my three Windows PCs. They are (evidently) not capable of running Windows 11, yet I don’t like the idea of throwing them on the trash heap when Windows 10 expires. So I am thinking that I need to convert them to Linux Mint and somehow convert my current processes to run under that operating system. I wonder if others have experience with such a transformation.

You could just continue to use Windows 10 and keep it secure with 0patch for a pretty small subscription.

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Been using Linux mint (XFCE) for several years now as my daily driver. ( i went through a lot of distros and wanted LT stability, hence mint and I have control!) ..I do not miss MS at all. Especially the issues that arise..the only reason I keep several Win machines functional is it my job to support software that 95% of folks use in a Win environment…the other 5% is apple stuff – thank goodness I do own any of that stuff – more headaches and they ar eon their own. BTW, with WINE and Tricks most all the win stuff runs..occasionally porting problems.

not looking fwd to the issues of 24H2 going to be a PITB

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My daily driver these days is Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). It uses the same Cinnamon Desktop as Linux Mint, but has all  the Ubuntu components removed. Its kernel is not based on Ubuntu, but on Debian Stable. The repo is missing a few Ubuntu components, and sometimes it’s difficult to find similar replacements. But it does avoid the current uproar about how Canonical is creating an “immutable core OS” and tuning Debian packages into Snaps. In other words, Canonical seems intent on turning mainstream Ubuntu into Windows-S. No thanks!

Otherwise, I have found similar alternatives for everything I have been using on Windows. YMMV, as some applications still do not have Linux or good WINE implementations, and a few will never have true equivalents.

I do have two PCs running Windows 11, 23H2, and they both should be able to move up to 24H2 except for not having NPUs for the Copilot features. My Linux distros are running from external enclosures connected by USB or Thunderbolt connections. Those are fast enough for Linux Mint. With a little tweaking, they can even be Trimmed.

So if you’re willing to learn something new, and do a little homework, Linux Mint is a good Windows alternative. Not for everyone, but for many of us just what we like.

-- rc primak

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[Microfix]

Alex5723 wrote:

Recall is enabled by default.

24H2 clutterware
‘Recall’ is enabled by default only on new OEM devices only as far as I’m led to believe. If not, someone, somewhere will provide an answer to mitigate 😉

Edit: that was quick! 😉
see the following: https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10/changelog

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• This reply was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by Microfix. Reason: additional info to mitigate recall

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Luckily 24H2 is not forced to be installed. It is an optional update.
I have chosen not to install on my main PC

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Davin Peterson wrote:

Luckily 24H2 is not forced to be installed. It is an optional update.
I have chosen not to install on my main PC

For now, yes. You’ll have until November 2025 before 23H2 goes out of support.

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um David & steeviebops

Windows 11 24H2 is not yet out to the general public (aka. general availability) until sometime in the 2nd half of 2024.
24H2 is currently in the release preview channel for Windows insiders

just need to remind everyone (including Susan) that 24H2 is not officially out yet

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EP wrote:

um David & steeviebops

Windows 11 24H2 is not yet out to the general public (aka. general availability) until sometime in the 2nd half of 2024.
24H2 is currently in the release preview channel for Windows insiders

just need to remind everyone (including Susan) that 24H2 is not officially out yet

I know that 24H2 isn’t out yet, the point I was making is that feature updates don’t stay optional forever, they need to be installed eventually to stay in support.

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Seff wrote:

0patch… subscription

I prevent patching by disabling the update service via script that I have task scheduler execute frequently.

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