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Question please. Running w 7 64 bit and i like ie 9 so far no problems and dont want any. Susan says in her article that you should keep ie updated and there is all this discussion about ie 10 and 11 what kind of trouble am i asking for? Thank you.
Phil.

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You should update to IE10 if you are still using IE9, there’s not too much of a noticeable difference.
I’m using IE10 in Windows 8 at the moment and I’m in no rush to upgrade it to 11.
Personally I think it’s a bit buggy and over the top security wise at the moment.

Example:
1 For a while when I was downloading something in IE11, I would get a “_” before the exe, instead of a “.” it was a bit irritating.
2 I felt some of the security settings like smart screen filter was a bit over the top too.

It’s not that bad though, one can work around it, but for me, like I said, it was a bit irritating.

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I second Clint’s opinion. I am still with IE 10 on Windows 7 and I have hidden the update to upgrade to IE 11. Seems it wasn’t quite ready to see the light of day, IMO.

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Phil,

IE 10 would be a viable update for Win 7. Especially in Win 7, IE 11 may not yet be a good choice. In fact, even in Win 8.1, IE 11 can be finicky. I believe that ultimately it will be my browser of choice (I prefer IE over FF or Chrome), but for now I’m using both IE 11 and FF 25.0.1 for my browsing.

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IE11 didn’t play well with my on-line banking site. Reverted to IE10 and all is well,

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IE11 did the same with my banking. After beating on the keyboard for an hour I finally stumbled on the solution. When I opened the home page for IE11, I clicked on “page” (setup?) and associated my bank home page (Added to the list). Banking now works as it should. I use two different computers with my laptop running Win7 Pro, 32bit and my desktop runs Win7 Home Premium, 64bit.

My Facebook account will not run correctly on my desktop, it says that I am running IE8! One step at a time.:mad:

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My Facebook account will not run correctly on my desktop, it says that I am running IE8! One step at a time.:mad:

Hi and welcome to the Lounge.

See if the discussion here helps (start at post#10): http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//157806-Some-webpages-see-older-version-of-IE

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Thanks for your input Gentleman much appreciated. What are the dangers of staying with IE9?
Phil.

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Thanks for your input Gentleman much appreciated. What are the dangers of staying with IE9?
Phil.

Being 2 versions behind. There are more security features with most any new browser released, regardless of brand. IE9 is only one step above IE8, though it is much better than the latter.

I recommend IE10 at the minimum, as there’s security risks with using older browsers to conduct transactions on. Security risks that not all security apps will cover. Plus, unlike FF & Chrome, there’s very little support as far as extensions goes. Of which both the latter, as well as Opera, has plenty of choices.

Cat

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Cat,
Thank you for your comment with the help of Rui and Ted I have updated to IE 10.
Phil.

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I wouldn’t say there are specific dangers, as long as Microsoft keeps updating it, which I don’t know how long they’ll keep doing it.

I think it’s safe to move to IE 10, it’s pretty stable, it’s more standards compliant than 9, so I would probably give it a try.

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Phil, when I was running Windows 7 32-bit (a few months ago), I upgraded from IE9 to IE10. I immediately started having problems when I browsed. (It’s been a while, so I don’t recall exactly what the problems were.)

I then uninstalled IE10, which brought me back to IE9. The problems stopped after I did that.

It was easy to go from 10 back to 9, so it wouldn’t hurt if you tried 10; you can easily go back to 9 if there are issues.

I can’t speak about IE11, because I’ve never used it.

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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My point exactly. Why mess with something that is working well unless you are really exposing yourself to dangers. Unfortunately i dont know what standards compliant means.

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Unfortunately i dont know what standards compliant means.

It means that some sites will behave better or look better with a browser that understand and implement the standards on web technologies, like HTML and CSS, which are the technologies web pages are built with.

As I said before, the problem with 9 is that it may not be supported for that long. 9 is available only for Vista, and 7. Vista, I believe, is nearing its support cycle and once that ends, probably there will be no more patching. IE 10 is a faster, better browser, overall.

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Phil,

From my perspective, it is very easy to try IE 10 to see how it works for you. Every system is different. What works for one may not work for the next. Here’s what I would do:

Create a new Image.

Download and install IE 10 separately from WU.

See if it works for you by using it for a while.

If it does great, if not open CP Programs and Features. Click the link on the left View Installed Updates. Select IE 10 and uninstall. IE 9 will be re-enabled.

OR

Restore your Image.

By using this method you can safely try this later IE version to see if it’s right for you.

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Unfortunately i have to ask when you say Download and install seperately from WU are you refering to windows update and downloading from microsoft downloads? Thanks and sorry for all the questions.

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You should have no troubles either way.

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Phil,

The link I supplied gives you the opportunity to download IE as an executable that you can save to your PC to run as you wish. WU (Windows Update) installs the selected updates immediately. Many prefer to install this larger updates by downloading the .exe rather than working through WU. YMMV.

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Thanks to all of you for the benefit of your time and knowledge.
phl.

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Advise that you click on “help” and tell it not to update automatically to IE 11 if that is your choice!

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I now use IE11 on all systems (3 win7, 3 win 8.1) and, for the most part it works. I’ve found that I have to use the Compatibility settings for several web pages (got rid of the ‘_exe’ problem that way). I’ve not noted many differences between it and IE10 but believe the MS hype that it’s more secure. The only website I continue to have problems with is the Verizon Wireless site – cannot log on to my account at all, URL flips and flips then closes tab. I use FireFox to go to websites I need that don’t play well with IE.

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You’re welcome, Phil :).

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You are very welcome Phil.

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Thanks again to everyone a couple of more questions. I did as suggested backed up computer and created a repair disk before downloading i.e.10 first thing I did was checked my Banking all worked even the one that told me I needed to use Java which I continued with ignoring that message and it worked without it but I remember reading in this publication to get rid of Java which I did some time ago have I violated something in the article I read it said Java was a risk also I lost my spell checker I was using Speckie but I notice as I write this there is a spell checker working that I never saw before when I communicated on this forum but I have sent e mails before I wrote this and after i.e. 10 and had no spell checker. I have read that there is a spell checker that comes with i.e. 10 but you have to activate it which it said to open Internet Explorer and go to tools and check the box obviously either something was left out or I don’t understand is that in accessories I cant remember now where else I looked. thanks ahead of time
Phil.

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This will help you enable or disable the spell checker: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/264311-internet-explorer-10-ie10-spelling-correction-enable-disable.html

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My IE 10 and now IE 11 spell checker was activated as soon as I installed or updated to the later browser. Give a try by intentionally miss-spelling a word. You should see a red underline on the miss-spelled word. Right click on the word and spelling suggestions will be shown.

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Perhaps this was an option when setting up Win 8 and Win 8.1 originally, but I believe it was enabled by default as I did not enable it in my case. It was just there.

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I’m running I.E. 11 on both Windows 7 and 8.1 and have no problems with either. I will agree with Clint that the security settings were a little over the top, but once set you should be ok. I haven’t had any sites that don’t play nice with 11, on Windows 7, but I am having an issue with my banking site on my Surface RT 8.1 in that the pop up keyboard blocks the input box of a security code that I need. BofA is looking into it though.

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Ted and ruirib thanks for you replies ruirib that tutorial you sent was perfect and did the trick. Was I right about Java is it still something to stay away from also I remember that there was an advisory article that you should disable the screen gadgets is that still important and why does Secunia still tell me that i.e. 10 is still not safe for browsing just like it did with 9? Either one of you use Hotmail as I do and got switched to Outlook and know how to get rid of the blank part of the page on the side I have been able to get rid of the ads but not gain the page back. Hopefully after these questions I wont have to bother you guys anymore. Thanks.
Phil.

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Phil,

Java is still a security risk, it’s always being constantly patched. Whether you should remove it or not, it’s more up to you. If you use Secunia, it will tell you when it needs updating.
Some sites (although admittedly few these days), require Java. If you have one of those, you can still install Java and disable its use in your browsers, and then activate it just when you visit a site that needs Java.

I haven’t run Secunia in a long time, but the I remember the warning about IE. If it is still similar, it must be a flaw that Microsoft regards as unimportant and Secunia as important. I don’t like IE, and actually I like it less and less each time I need to compare it with Chrome or Firefox, so I confess I don’t really care about the security flaw, as i hardly use it.

I am not sure about what you mean on Outlook.com. Maybe show a screen capture?

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Rui thanks for the reply. Thanks again for the help with the spell check thing very much appreciated. I don’t use Java and haven’t for quite a while also it was just a question. I use Secunia because I don’t know about anything else for that sort of thing you got suggestions? In regards to the Outlook.com page problem you make me laugh I don’t have the first clue how to do a screen capture I am still laughing.
Phil.

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Phil,

Secunia is fine to make sure you have the latest version apps. There are alternatives, but Secunia works fine, IMO, I have just been slacking on that front.

To capture the screen, you can use a nifty Windows 7 native utility, the Snipping tool. Just click the start button, type snip and the top result will be the snipping tool. Open it and you can draw a rectangle with your mouse and everything within the rectangle will be copied. Once you do it, the app will show you what you have captured and allow you to save it -> File Save. You can then upload it here.

Here is my Outlook.com. Were you talking about the gray area?

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If you have blocked the ads, I fear you won’t be able to get rid of the area. This is a free service, so it’s natural for Microsoft to try and make money with the ads. There are paid Outlook.com accounts and those are ad-free.

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Rui,
That’s interesting I never knew that its amazing what I learn from you. Yes that is exactly what I was referring to the space on the right and personally I would rather have it blank than with the Ads.. From what I understand you can pay like $20.00 a year to get an account that is ad free I just thought that with all the stuff you know I figured you might know something else about a way around it. What does IMO mean? Thanks very much for your time and expertise very much appreciated.
Phil.

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Hi,

I am glad I can be of help.

IMO means In My Opinion (there are other common variants – IMHO, In My Humble Opinion, IMVHO, etc.).

Outlook.com is a web app, which means you don’t have that much control over what it shows, unless you target it very specifically with code to change what it displays and how it is displayed. Removing ads is a generic task, common to many websites, so ad blocking can tackle the problem in a generic way that will work for many websites.
I confess I don’t remove ads. Most places I go don’t use them in annoying ways and although we have come to love free, nothing is really free, so I understand that especially those that offer free services, often need to get paid in other ways. Everybody needs to make a living.

Regards

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Thanks again for the response. With all the stuff I don’t know I thought IMO might be some program like Secunia that’s why I had to ask. I personally hate Ads I even use the mute on my TV for them. You don’t need to respond but I got to say thanks for everything again.
Phil.

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No problem, Phil, glad to be of help.

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Phil, I found Secunia was pretty good for security apps, but I generally like Update Checkerfrom FileHippo.com. See the link for the Update Checker in the upper right corner of the web page.

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Here is a full list of alternatives to Secunia: http://alternativeto.net/software/personal-software-inspector-psi/

Seems the one from FileHippo is quite popular, but I have also read good things on Ninite Updater, which is a paid app, though. I am pretty sure I have seen it mentioned in Windows Secrets. Fred Langa also covered the subject in a newsletter: http://windowssecrets.com/top-story/software-that-updates-your-other-software/

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Rui,
Thanks above and beyond the call of duty.
Phil.

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Ted,
Thanks I use that also I just wondered what else there might be? Just for your information the spell check was there in ie10 in w7 but it had to be activated Rui was good enough to send me a tutorial that explained it nicely. What about scans for Virus and Malware? I use MSE and there Safety scanner and Malware scanner even though I know some people don’t like MSE and free Malware-Bytes what else is there along those lines? You got any other tips?
Phil.

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Ted,
Thanks I use that also I just wondered what else there might be? Just for your information the spell check was there in ie10 in w7 but it had to be activated Rui was good enough to send me a tutorial that explained it nicely. What about scans for Virus and Malware? I use MSE and there Safety scanner and Malware scanner even though I know some people don’t like MSE and free Malware-Bytes what else is there along those lines? You got any other tips?
Phil.

Phil:

I use Trend Micro for antivirus/malware protection. I am very pleased with it, both from an effectiveness standpoint and that there is no noticeable slowdown when it is running. And it is very highly rated by the computer magazines. However, it is about $50 per year for up to three computers.

If you don’t want to pay, then I recommend Avast. The only problem with Avast is that you have to manually update it on a regular basis; the free version doesn’t include that feature. But I’m guessing that if you knew how, you could probably set it up to auto update via the Windows Task Scheduler.

And as others have said, use common sense when you’re surfing the web.

Jim

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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Jim,
Thanks for that also.
Phil.

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I use AVG AV 2014 Pro, but the free version is quite good. Just a few less features. I also use Malwarebytes Anti-malware Pro, which gives me the advantage of running AVG and Malwarebytes both in real time (running continuously) Malwarebytes plays well with most AV/AM apps. I used MSE (WD in Win 8) for quite some time and had good luck with it as well. I switched to AVG because I received an offer for 3 licenses with a mail in rebate that made it free. I use 2 licenses on Mine and my Wife’s PCs, and the 3rd license on my smart phone. Her smartphone has the free version. Unfortunately this deal is not available any more. I believe it originally came from Newegg. If you do a search you might find it a little less expensive although it’s not terribly expensive any way.

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Ted,
Thanks for that info I will be back at you with a question or two as soon as I can.
Phil.

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Phil,

This may be of interest to your question on AVs: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//158199-Windows-Defender-sufficient-protection

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Rui,
You sure got that right all my questions and many I would never even think of. Thanks for the notice of the conversation I will be back to you and Ted as soon as I can got a kids Birthday to take care of.
Phil.

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Always glad to be of help, Phil :).

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Rui,
Glad you caught me. You and Ted have always been very kind and considerate with you time and knowledge and it is much appreciated now as soon as I get time to read all that stuff I will be back at you.
Thanks,
Phil.

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Phil, I am very glad to have been of assistance. I am unable to spend as much time in the Lounge as I once did, but still can post almost daily. Feel free to ask any questions that pop into mind. I may not have an answer, but will always try.

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In answer to someone’s question a few pages back, all Internet Explorer (IE) versions from the original one that came with the operating system are supported by Microsoft, i.e. have critical (security) updates provided for them, until that OS is no longer supported by Microsoft.

Microsoft state this opaquely as “Releases known as Components follow the Support Lifecycle of their parent Major Product”. FYI the full Product Lifecycle listing is available here.

I can verify the ‘original browser’ thing personally as I still have IE6 installed on an old XP system, and receive critical updates for it. (I don’t use it to go online, but have a favorite XP program which doesn’t work with newer versions of IE.)

A number of months ago some major websites started displaying warning and even error messages when IE6 was used, and I don’t think for instance Youtube works at all any more with such an old browser. So some websites by design, rather than Microsoft, would generally be the limiting factor on how long an old IE version could be used. Plus some pages don’t display fully or properly on very old browsers.

IE9 is the newest version installed on the Windows 7 systems I support. Newer versions have more security features which about invariably require more effort to learn and maintain. I’ve trained the family member whose computers I support well, so she very rarely visits suspect websites. In newer versions of IE the added new types of security alerts would just be confusing to her, she would not learn how to use them and would be incapable of maintaining the exception lists required to use some of them properly.

I mainly use Firefox myself, only using IE when a webpage doesn’t work properly on FF (which is rare).

Asus N53SM & N53SN 64-bit laptops (Win7 Pro & Win10 Pro 64-bit multiboots), venerable HP Pavilion t760 32-bit desktop (XP & Win7 Pro multiboot), Oracle VirtualBox VM's: XP & Win7 32-bit, XP Mode, aged Samsung Galaxy S4, Samsung Galaxy Tab A 2019s (8" & 10.1"), Blu-ray burners, digital cameras, ext. HDDs (latest 5TB!), AnyDVD, Easeus ToDo Backup Home, Waterfox, more. Me: Aussie card-carrying Windows geek.

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I mainly use Firefox myself, only using IE when a webpage doesn’t work properly on FF (which is rare).

My internet provider is Cox; and in the past, when you logged onto your account on their website, if you wanted to download a PDF copy of your bill, it never worked with IE, but it always worked with Firefox.

That was a few years ago. I’m not sure if this problem still exists or not, because I haven’t downloaded a bill in several years.

Group "L" (Linux Mint)
with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server

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My internet provider is Cox; and in the past, when you logged onto your account on their website, if you wanted to download a PDF copy of your bill, it never worked with IE, but it always worked with Firefox.

That was a few years ago. I’m not sure if this problem still exists or not, because I haven’t downloaded a bill in several years.

Slightly off topic, but try one of the PDF viewers (not Adobe Reader). I use PDF-Xchange Editor. It works in IE and FF, probably in Chrome as well. You can set it up to either open in the browser or in the app directly.

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Ted,
Thanks very much for your time and assistance as soon as I can finish reading all of that post on Security stuff I will be back at you and Rui to figure out what I should do probably copy one of you or some combination of you guys. Looking forward to your opinions, thanks.
Phil.

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Will be here to help, Phil :).

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Rui,
Will be back at you and Medico in another couple of days i still haven’t gotten all that Virus & Malware stuff read and I sure do have questions also one about Acronis. How many Backups do you guys keep on it and also you sent me that info on the snipping tool and mentioned sent it to a file what file, which one or how so, and I don’t have any idea of how to attach something for a post to the Forum. You forgot who you are dealing with. Thanks ahead of time.
Phil.

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Rui,
Will be back at you and Medico in another couple of days i still haven’t gotten all that Virus & Malware stuff read and I sure do have questions also one about Acronis. How many Backups do you guys keep on it and also you sent me that info on the snipping tool and mentioned sent it to a file what file, which one or how so, and I don’t have any idea of how to attach something for a post to the Forum. You forgot who you are dealing with. Thanks ahead of time.
Phil.

Hi Phil,

I keep 4 images of each of my main PCs, 2 in each of my 2 external drives. I also keep an original image of my laptop, in case I need to reset it to factory settings. Just playing safe.

About attaching images to posts, please see here: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//152142-WSL-Tutorial-Attaching-a-file-to-a-post

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Didn’t realize it until doing a check today, all of my Windows 7 installs (3) has IE11. Though I primarily use FF & Chrome, I did use this opportunity to test IE11 out, on all installs, it’s as usable as IE9/10 was. Though Windows 7 shipped with IE8, I had never liked & avoided using that browser, it was so heavy, also poorly designed as far as actual browser space goes (too many toolbars by default).

bigbadsteve, have been working on rebuilding XP Mode on one of my notebooks today, starting Windows Update from IE6 got me nowhere, even with automatic updates selected. Had to manually download/install IE8 to get going & still had to fight the svchost.exe issue (99% CPU usage). I believe MS is in full throttle mode to discourage XP usage in every way possible, as I’ve clean installed 2 other XP machines (one of my own), the same issue with those. For years, this was a non-issue for me, until just 2-3 months ago.

Anyway, IE11 is worth trying out, if not running properly or as desired, uninstall & the previously installed IE will be reverted back.

Cat

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I usually have 4 or 5 Images for both our PCs. Generally I will keep making new Images monthly, then when I get too many I will just eliminate the oldest Images. I also have my Win 7 final Image for each, and my Win 8 final Image for each. I put these in a separate subfolder labeled Win 7 final and Win 8 final (so original, I know). So I have folders for 3 PCs, mine, my wife’s and my granddaughters original Image. I also keep both our File History backups in folders in the Ext. HD. These are all on a 1 Tb Ext HD and I still have almost half of the drive available.

My Imaging needs are not nearly as critical as some others so I find a monthly Image is fine. My first Image with a new OS includes both the C Drive and Data Drive. Subsequent Images generally only include the C Drive.

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Rui & Medico,
Thanks for that info am I the only one that doesn’t know this stuff? Very good idea to put on an external I will do so. I have been doing 2 Backups a month one on the
2nd of the month because for me here we are 15 hrs. ahead of the States at this time of year in case something comes out on the 1st and one on the 2nd Wednesday of the Month for Patch Tuesday for the same reason and I know I don’t deal with the stuff you guys do so I think I will just do one on the Wednesday except when I do something major like download i.e. 10. A couple more things on Backups. When you have it automatically scheduled does it create an Image and backup of files and when you manually press on create an Image the one in the left box does it do Image and files and on the right hand side when you use Backup now does it do both? Rui thanks for the link on the attachment I haven’t read it yet so don’t know if I will understand it but I will hope so and on my computer what file do I download the image to? Thank you both very much again. One question I forgot to ask is wen you are deleting Backups do you ever get to the point where to reformat the disk?
Phil.

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I don’t schedule my backups, Phil, I do it manually all the time. What app will you be using or are you using to image?

The type of backup so many of us recommend is called an image because it behaves as if it took a snapshot of your disk. This snapshot is then stored, preferably in an external and can be used to restore the disk to the precise state it was at the moment the snapshot was taken.

Being a complete image of your disk, such a backup has everything. Windows system files, your files and documents, everything.

I delete images manually, as well. An image is simply a file, with an extension, in my case a .tib extension, since I use Acronis True Image to create my extensions. There is no need to reformat the external disk. I don’t think I ever formatted any of my external disks.

I didn’t understand that question about what file do you download the image to. Is this related to posting images here? Please explain.

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Rui,
As always thank you for you response. I do the one Backup to have for before I download the updates for patch Tuesday in case anything goes wrong I have learned that from you guys. In regards to what app I use and I am not sure I am answering correctly I use Windows Backup in conjunction with Acronis. My question was are all the methods offered in Windows Back up the same such as Backup now, create a system image and a scheduled backup do they all do an image and the rest of the things? In regards to formatting the disk I was referring to the one in the computer because what I do is after I have a couple on the computer and several on Acronis I was wondering when you are going to delete some I get rid of the ones on the hard drive first and reformat the disk yes or no and then keep the most recent on Acronis and start fresh on the computer hard drive. In regards to the question of file download I was referring to using the snipping tool. where is the file on my computer I download the image made from it to upload to the Forum with the attachment of the file? Unfortunately you always have to keep in mind you are dealing with a novice or someone who knows nothing about this stuff.
Thanks,
Phil.

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Phil,

I never use Windows Backup. However, I know it can allow you to backup everything you have in your Libraries (basically the stuff you have in your Documents, Pictures, Music,etc) and it can also allow you to create a system image. Now, what it actually does, depends on how you configured it, so I really can’t say. Can you provide info on how you use it?

Where to you stored the stuff you backup with Windows Backup and where do you store the stuff you backup using Acronis?

Regarding the snipping tool, after you capture something, you can simply save it on your disk. When you do this, it’s like any other Windows program, you just define the name you want to give it. Usually the app names it Capture.jpg, which is acceptable if you don’t want to lose any more time choosing a name. I usually delete these files, once I have uploaded them.

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Rui,
You got me laughing again at least you keep me in a good humorous mood. I have heard people say that installing Windows is formatting to me it is an installation and I can barely do that. I don’t know how to format anything however the Backup was set up on installation it what it is I wouldn’t begin to know how to change it. My computer is used mostly for e mails and making mp3s for music which I make and then get rid of the music, no business, no pictures no nothing. I don’t store anything I don’t really have anything to save. I probably am making even more mistakes that I don’t realize but what can I say. You I am sure that I have told you this stuff I am sure you know more than I do about how the backup is formatted. I have to say though your replies are always interesting and informative.
Phil.

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Oh well, at least you’re in good humour :).

To check what Backup is doing, you can open the Control Panel and choose Backup and Restore (so, Start Button->Control Panel->Backup and Restore).

How are you using Acronis?

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Rui,
Okay it is set up on a schedule to run at a specific time that I have chosen is that what you mean? It doesn’t say anything about Acronis.
Phil.

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Rui,
Okay it is set up on a schedule to run at a specific time that I have chosen is that what you mean? It doesn’t say anything about Acronis.
Phil.

Sorry, Phil, I am not sure I understand. Acronis runs on a schedule? You set it up like that? How frequent is the backup and what type of image are you creating – full, differential, incremental?

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Rui,
Let me see if I can save you some time here and if I have guessed right. Are you trying to get me to do my Backups using Acronis and completely going around windows Backup? Today for me here in S.E. Asia it is Wednesday in the States it is Patch Tuesday in the States so I did my defrag and clean up as best I know how and did my updates and then did a Backup as I just said now if I download that backup and others I have to an external Hard Drive am I now doing Backups like you and Ted do or have I guessed wrong? If I am right can I now reformat that Drive just for drills and proper upkeep since I wont be using it?
Phil.

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Phil,

My backup regime is as follows:

Once per month, right AFTER patch Tuesday I create a new Image of our PCs. Prior to creating the Images, I run through my maintenance and cleanup routine, then defrag the HD. I do not see any sense in Imaging a bunch of temp. files and folders, and I want the PC defragged as much as possible. By Imaging right AFTER the patch Tuesday changes, I have the latest patches in my Image in case something bad happens to my PC. If something bad happens just prior to my new Image, the present Image is less than a month old.

I then go through and run File History on both PCs. During the interim between these backups, I back up my data to my wife’s PC and vice versa.

If I make a major change to the PC between Images (I just renewed my subscription and upgraded from AVG 2013 to AVG 2014 and went from PDF-Xchange Viewer to PDF-Xchange Editor) I will make an intermediate Image which includes these changes.

As with most of the “average users” out there, this backup regime should be sufficient for their needs. The more changes you make, the more Images you should consider making. The larger you data becomes, and the more often it changes, the more often your data backup should be done. You will have to decide how much is just right for your needs. If for example you have minimal data changes per day, then a manual backup to another media (I use our 2 PCs) of that data should suffice. If you do not make a lot of changes to the system and apps, then perhaps a monthly regime will work for your as well. Many of the members here have far more or extensive needs than I do at home and consequently back up more often and through other incremental means. You have to decide.

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Ted,
I got to get back to you tomorrow I understand about half of what your talking about as always very thankful for your input.
Phil.

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Phil,

My backup regime is as follows:

Once per month, right AFTER patch Tuesday I create a new Image of our PCs. Prior to creating the Images, I run through my maintenance and cleanup routine, then defrag the HD. I do not see any sense in Imaging a bunch of temp. files and folders, and I want the PC defragged as much as possible. By Imaging right AFTER the patch Tuesday changes, I have the latest patches in my Image in case something bad happens to my PC. If something bad happens just prior to my new Image, the present Image is less than a month old.

I then go through and run File History on both PCs. During the interim between these backups, I back up my data to my wife’s PC and vice versa.

If I make a major change to the PC between Images (I just renewed my subscription and upgraded from AVG 2013 to AVG 2014 and went from PDF-Xchange Viewer to PDF-Xchange Editor) I will make an intermediate Image which includes these changes.

As with most of the “average users” out there, this backup regime should be sufficient for their needs. The more changes you make, the more Images you should consider making. The larger you data becomes, and the more often it changes, the more often your data backup should be done. You will have to decide how much is just right for your needs. If for example you have minimal data changes per day, then a manual backup to another media (I use our 2 PCs) of that data should suffice. If you do not make a lot of changes to the system and apps, then perhaps a monthly regime will work for your as well. Many of the members here have far more or extensive needs than I do at home and consequently back up more often and through other incremental means. You have to decide.

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Phil:
I’m your typical non-geek user. Medico’s comments above contains the only thing I’ve ever totally disagreed with him. He recommends taking an image After applying patches. He’ll disagree with me, but that makes no sense to me.

I take an image BEFORE applying any patches (or making any other changes to my system (installing a program, etc.)

If I ever have a problem, my image is only 1 day old at most, not a month.

I’ll put on my hard hat, and wait for incoming . . .

Dick

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Dick,
Thanks for your input that is what I have always done And being a Vietnam Vet I will also get ready for incoming but it wont be the first time.
Phil.

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Dick, no incoming at all. I just feel that my PC does not change a lot during that month. My data is separate and backed up separately. If I were to make my Image before the updates, then say a week later things crashed, I would have to restore the PC, then install the updates once again. Since there have been no changes since my last Image a month ago (remember I also said if I make changes I do another intermediary Image) it is quicker for me if my Image contains the updates. Then I do not have to redo the updates after restoration.

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Ted,
Thanks for explaining it that way and now I do understand what you are saying being that it is Wednesday here in S.E. Asia and Patch Tuesday for you folks in the States I just did the updates and did as you recommended and will continue to do so. I still have to get back to you on the A.V. and Malware stuff but have to get this Backup info from Rui done first. Once again thank you for your knowledge and kindness.
Phil.

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Phil,

I am not trying to do that, I am just trying to understand what you do now and where you want to go regarding backups. I am asking about Acronis because you mentioned it.

So, let’s get things back in perspective. Are you just using Windows backup for backups or are you using Acronis too? What are your goals regarding backups:
1. do you want to keep using Windows backup?
2. do you want to just backup data?
3. do you want to be able to recover even from a system meltdown?
4. Do you own and use Acronis?

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Hi Rui,
Yes I do use Acronis because you and Medico told me quite a while ago (about 6 months 0r so ) that you don’t trust Windows Backup so I bought a Family Pack of Acronis and mostly it is for any kind of an incident that may happen so I don’t have to do a reinstall. Advice please. Thanks.
Phil.

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Ok, Phil, and what about the other questions?

Also, just to make this more objective, what type of advice or recommendations would you like to have regarding these issues?

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Should I use both Windows Backup and Acronis or is it okay to just bypass widows I guess that’s pretty much it and then I guess I just keep what I feel I need correct?.
Phil.

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Well, you know I use Acronis and that is enough for me. Do you feel comfortable using Acronis? What has been your experience with it so far?

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I have experienced no problems with Acronis but I haven’t had any problems with Windows either I think I would prefer just reformatting d drive and using Acronis it will make my scans faster which I will like. What’s your opinion your the Dr.?
Phil.

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There are advantages and disadvantages to both, Phil, we just make some choices about what we want to value.

I began to use Acronis well before Windows offered anything similar. Acronis always worked well for me so I keep using it. I started with Acronis TI 8.0, the last version of which was released in August 2005. Since it has served me well and the native Windows app doesn’t seem to be better, I have kept using Acronis.

Probably, the Windows app can be used with as much success as Acronis, but as long as Acronis doesn’t get bad or too expensive, I will keep using it. I have skipped a few versions, though.

As you already have licenses, I see no reason for you not to use it. It’s a little more flexible than the Windows native app.

Now, why are you talking about reformatting the drive using Acronis?

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Rui,
Since I am not going to be using D drive which is just there for Windows Backups just going to reformat it so scans run faster and it is clean. I have to go and do some things and will get your answer later. Thank you very much again you have once more made me think differently about things and taught me stuff and been of immense help thank you very much again.
Phil.

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You’re always welcome, Phil.

So Acronis it is. Do you need any help with it?
Do you keep multiple Acronis images of your current installation?

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Phil, I did post Step by Step Instructions for Acronis a while back. These instructions were for first V2010, then 2011, but most are still appropriate for v2013 and I suspect for v2014.

2010

2011

The missing screen shots in the 2010 instructions are mostly shown in the 2011 instructions. These were done on the old Lounge and thus the screen shots were not placed in the correct positions.

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Rui & Medico,
Are you kidding I always need help. I have 3 Disk & partition back ups on Acronis made over the last 6 weeks I have the CD I made when I went from 32 Bit to 64 Bit 6 months ago or when ever it was both before and after I didn’t dig it out to check the date and the CD from before I went to i.e.10 and after I went to i.e.10 you guys tell me? I am running Acronis 2013 so Ted I will definitely look up your posts if either one of you have ideas or advice I am more than willing to listen and learn. Next I am going to try and learn this snipping tool thing Rui brought up it looks pretty slick. I missed a deal on Amazon for a Family Pack for AVG AV 2014 PRO for $50.00 that was good for 2 years is that pretty normal in so far as the year part goes? I think I will wait on that and Malware-Bytes Pro or something like it until after the Holidays to see what kind of deals are out there. Once again I will be thankful for any input you guys have. Thank you both for your help, time, and wisdom.
Gratefully yours,
Phil.

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Phil,

If you want a top rated AV for 3 PCs for much less than $50, Emsisoft Antimalware are offering 3 licenses for price of one, which I think will be in the $25-$30 range (not sure what the price is precisely as I see it as 19.98 euros. Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/

I can recommend it, it’s the one I use, it’s a top notch app that actually detected malware like the recently infamous CryptoLocker out of the box. I am running it on my 4 computers and my company bought it, as well. Not only it is great, but the price is very good too.

You seem to be doing fine with Acronis, so what help do you need regarding that.

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Rui,
You are the gift that just keeps on giving. In regards to Acronis I think things are fine so long as it keeps working which when it doesn’t is when you will hear a scream all the way from Thailand to Portugal. How often should you buy a new copy? Thanks very much on the tip on the AV I will definitely be checking that out even I the novice knows that there where a lot of AVs that missed Crypto locker. You are too kind and thanks again for all your help. You know I learned all that Acronis stuff and back up Cds and all the rest of it from you and Ted.
Phil.

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Phil, I highly recommend AVG AV 2014 Pro. Newegg has a 3 license pack for $39.99 USD. I do not use the Security Suite from AVG, just the AV product. This is a highly rated product that I have used for quite some time. AVG AV 2014 also has a free product with the same AV engine, but fewer features.

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Medico,
Well as usual you guys have all the answers you have the Virus and Rui has the Malware I will check out Newegg. I am correct on those distinctions yours is the Virus stopper and Rui is Malware right? Thank you Medico. All I said to Rui goes to you also its you two guys that have helped me with all this stuff. Thanks very much.
Phil.

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Ok, Phil, re Acronis. If anything goes bad, just post as you usually do, but things should go well, hopefully.

If you have a copy of Acronis TI that works for a given operating system, there is really no compelling reason to upgrade, unless a new version brings a new, valuable feature. I upgrade from 2010 to 2013 as 2013 had Windows 8 support. I ended up upgrading to 2014 because I got an excellent opportunity to go with the Premium version, for 3 licenses, for just around $20 (16 euros). I had the regular version before, and this was too good a deal to let it “escape”.

Regards

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Rui,
your Emsisoft is $19.95 U.S. I just checked it out I don’t know what kind of shipping charges there will be but for that price I don’t care. It is Malware right and it will be in English yes? Thanks
Phil.

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Phil, AVG and Emsisoft Antimalware are apps of the same type, so you would use one or the other, but not both.

Personally, I think EAM (Emsisoft Antimalware) is the better one. AVG is a good app, too. One aspect, among others, that, in my opinion, make EAM the better app, is the fact that contrary to what happens with most apps, EAM can run, at the same time, with some other AV apps, like MSE. This doesn’t happen often.

EAM, for a few months now, includes detection of Potentially Unwanted Programs (PUPs). Just a few days ago, someone at the Lounge said no AVs protected against PUPs. That member was wrong, because EAM includes protection against PUPs since last August but, again, not many AVs protect against that.

So, in my opinion, EAM is, security wise, a bit ahead of most competing apps. Plus, it often is ranked on top of comparative analysis of AV and anti-malware apps. That’s why I chose it to be one of my real time security apps.

So you have a very good AV for usually a better price than competing offers (with the current offer, at least $10 less). It’s really a no brainer, for me.

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Rui,
Your post didn’t come up until after I had done mine so your saying if I use EAM I can still run Microsoft Security Essentials if that is correct I am down the road that would be great because I kind of like MSE and I only have to learn about one new Product.
Phil.

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Rui,
Your post didn’t come up until after I had done mine so your saying if I use EAM I can still run Microsoft Security Essentials if that is correct I am down the road that would be great because I kind of like MSE and I only have to learn about one new Product.
Phil.

Yes, you could. You would have to do something to make sure one wouldn’t interfere with the other – exclude EAM from MSE scanning and exclude MSE from EAM scanning, but i can explain how that is done, if you want to (in a different, specific topic, if we come to that).

To be sure, you don’t need to run both, but it is possible. EAM is very light on resources, so having it running doesn’t tax your computer very much.

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Rui,
That would make you have to go through teaching me a whole bunch of new stuff I don’t want you guys to have to go through that again. I can afford to spend a little bit of money. If I remember right Medico said that Malware-Bytes Pro ran well with AVG AV 2014 that would be a lot easier. Your opinion please. How do I do this back and forth without having to go back to my in box?

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Hi Phil,

Wow, that’s an even better price. This is a digital download and then you just install it. You can have a physical package, but you don’t need that, you can simply download it.
EAM is available in multiple languages, yes and that includes English.

Make sure that price is for 3 licenses, even outside the EU.

If you buy it, I would then advise that you register your license. Like that it will be maintained at Emsisoft’s License Center and you can always access it and use it very easily.

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Rui,
When you say Digital Download do you mean you download it off the internet because I prefer getting the CDs and doing it myself and always having them and I am in no rush anyway and I will make sure its for 3 if so its an outrageous price but even if it isn’t that wouldn’t be to bad a price if it is for $60.00.
Phil.

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Yes, Phil, you download it from the internet, but they include the option to send you a CD. Not sure how much they’ll charge you to send it to Thailand, though.

You realize there is really no difference in downloading it? You just get the program into the Downloads folder, or any other folder you prefer and when you are ready to install it, just click the file. The difference to doing it from the CD is minimal. It’s much faster, doesn’t affect your ownership in anyway, because you can redownload it at any time you wish, even without a license. If you prefer the CD that is fine, but I would encourage you to download it, unless you have a slow line – the download is 218 MB.

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No I have good internet I just like having the CD and I don’t know anything about that file stuff lets just do it the easy way. This time I didn’t have to go back to my in box. Time for Breakfast. Phil.

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No I have good internet I just like having the CD and I don’t know anything about that file stuff lets just do it the easy way. This time I didn’t have to go back to my in box. Time for Breakfast. Phil.

There is no inbox to go to, really. You click a link and your browser asks you to download the file. You chose the folder to save it, then you then just click to run the file. It can’t be simpler. You can even download it without buying it (since you can run it in trial mode for 30 days).

Enjoy the breakfast, I will get back to some programming.

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Rui,
You have great ideas I just don’t want you to have to go through to much trouble I am just thinking if we can do something that’s good and they will get along nicely without to much trouble. I will have to get back together with you later have to go run some errands and go to the Bank and stuff its 9:30 AM here. Thanks again.
Phil.

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Yes, MBAM Pro can run with other AV programs, and it can run together with EAM too.

Phil, I don’t mind explaining anything. Usually, when you run two live AV programs, you need to make sure they don’t interfere with each other. All security apps I know include a mechanism to make sure some apps are exempt from being scanned, for whatever reason. It’s really a small effort, but it’s worth it, since it means you get to have more one than one real time app monitoring your system, thus increasing the probability of any malware, virus, etc, being caught.

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It’s no trouble at all, Phil, the Lounge is here so that we can help.

Have a nice day. I probably still have a 1 1/2 of more coding and then it will be bed time for me.

Regards

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Rui,
I hope its morning and you got a good nights rest its for sure you deserve it. In regards to my AV/AM (look just like you guys ) situation I sure do like your Emsisoft suggestion and the fact that it caught Crypto locker but we got to figure out something I can run with it that is not a whole back to school thing something easy. Back on page 3 Medico suggested Anti-Malware-Pro and AVG-AV 2014 Pro and that they run together with no problem and the A/M runs all the time I like that runs all the time feature. Now I don’t want to put you in a bad spot here. Your thoughts or anyone’s for that matter. Thanks ahead of time.
Phil.

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Phil,

My advice about EAM has one reason only: my belief that is one of the very best in the market. I use it and I recommend it. I recommend it not because I use it and had no problems with it, but because the set of features and the recurrent comparatives results, make me believe it’s one of the best apps you can use for AV protection. The day it stops being so, I will stop using it. I have no affiliation with Emsisoft and I gain nothing from advising it. It’s that simple.

Now, about the mutual exclusion thing. Having AVs exclude programs from their scanning is something all AVs support. Malwarebytes FAQ includes an extensive section that show how you exclude it from being scanned by AVs, which includes multiple AVs and MSE and AVG are there. Probably excluding Malwarebytes from any AV that you may be running is a good recommendation, so much so that it is present in Malwarebytes FAQ: https://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=10138&page=1#entry167851

In a perfect world, you wouldn’t need AVs, but this is not a perfect world. AVs are complex apps and all they require some configuration effort, especially when you want to run more than one at the same time – even apps from the same manufacturer.

Now, as I said, which ones each Lounge member uses its their own choice and that is perfect. I am in now way offended by choices different from mine. As an acquaintance of mine used to say, taking advice from others should be treated like a buffet – you have a lot of options and you choose the ones your prefer, for whatever reason. That’s just how things are and that’s exactly how they should be.

I see my role here, in the areas of my experience, as doing my best to make users have the tools to make informed decisions. Regarding any app I recommend, you won’t see me recommending it because I use it, even though I will recommend it if I use it – I will recommend anything based on its technical merits or its technical merits and price and I will state what the merits are. The criteria for a recommendation here are even more stringent than if I had to do a personal choice, because I can afford to make a bad choice for my computers, but I am extremely careful with someone else’s computers. I wouldn’t want my advice to put anyone at risk, for whatever reason.

To conclude my intervention on this specific AV issue, if you go to the AVG forum you will find people who had AVG running and yet were infected by CryptoLocker. What this tells me is that, although a good app, AVG wouldn’t protect you, out of the box, against CryptoLocker. EAM would detect it, through its behavioral detection engine and let you know a given app was behaving strangely and ask you to make a decision. Which do you think is the best behavior? With viruses and malware, the most acute problem is actually to get protection against unknown threats (like Crypto was when it came out). From my analysis of repeated tests in the wild, EAM is quite effective doing this.

A choice about malware protection should include detection capabilities, price, load on your system. I wouldn’t possible see myself buying something that is both more expensive and performs usually worse. As said many times here, no app provides full protection, but some apps provide better protection than others. If I am to spend money (and I want to spend money on security apps), I want to buy the best that I can buy.

Regards

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Rui,
I think your friend saying taking advice is like a Buffet is a very wise person. I like EAM but I don’t know enough to be able to configure the second Product and I am not sure I am adept enough to understand the directions you are going to have to give me but I believe in my heart EAM is the best just because of the Crypto locker instance. How about this can we use Team Viewer for you to Format the second Product? I bet your laughing aren’t you?
Phil.

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Rui,
I finally got to read the Malware-Bytes link that you sent I think I could let you lead me through that if that is what you are thinking about using with Emsisoft.
Phil.

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Rui,
I finally got to read the Malware-Bytes link that you sent I think I could let you lead me through that if that is what you are thinking about using with Emsisoft.
Phil.

Do you have Malwarebytes Pro or Emsisoft already installed?

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No I thought that while you were gone I was going to go back to that Emsisoft site and make sure it was a deal for 3 and the price and the cost of shipping So it is Malware bytes Pro that you want to use? I will also have to find a Family Pack of that also and remember this doesn’t all have to be done tomorrow I till have to find the Products and get them shipped to me. How do you have so many different things going on in the Lounge at the same time and write code to? Why aren’t you in Silicon Valley in California?
Phil.

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What about like this, Phil.

I provide step by step instructions, here, with pictures. If you fail to understand them, we’ll address the situation then and do whatever it is needed to fix it, yes?

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Yes but I got another question first how do I sit here with Forum on my screen and I have to use a split screen of the Forum and my in box and the message shows up in the in box before the Forum there is something I don’t know about in receiving the message in the Forum. What?

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The forum software does not refresh the topic automatically. It also does not provide for a page where you’d always get the latest posts, in an automatic manner, like some others do. So, the answer to your question is: it’s how forums work and, in this case, also how it is configured.

It’s a bit annoying always having to press the New Posts link to see what’s new, but that’s the way it is.

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Where is the new posts link? I just figured a minute ago that you must have answered so I went to page 6 and then back to 7 to get this where is the new post link?

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At the top left, Phil:

35738-Capturenewposts

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Okay so you have to go back to the lounge and then the forum and subject so you just have to go back there and wait Huh? thanks

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No Phil, that link is available in most Lounge pages. You can simply read a post or write a reply and then go there from the same page you were reading or posting. Just scroll back to the top and you’re done.

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Gotcha I think I see how it works now thank you very much no one ever tipped me to that thank you very much. Listen I want to use that app and I have never turned down an offer to learn something about something I was interested in and if your kind enough to teach me I will try to do my best to try to learn about it.
Phil.

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Gotcha I think I see how it works now thank you very much no one ever tipped me to that thank you very much. Listen I want to use that app and I have never turned down an offer to learn something about something I was interested in and if your kind enough to teach me I will try to do my best to try to learn about it.
Phil.

Sure, we just need to do that in a different topic, as this one as already covered so many things :B):

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Okay just send message and scroll up to new post and stay on the same page yes?

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Okay just send message and scroll up to new post and stay on the same page yes?

Yes.

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Rui,
Good morning. I have done my ritual that I go through that I do in the morning when I first turn on my computer and am now going to see if I really do understand how this new post thing works but first have to shower and shave/ What time is it there? Just trying to see what kind of parameters we are working with. Here it is 5:47 AM Friday the
13th. Be back in 20 to 30 minutes.
Phil.

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Rui,
I got a kid upstairs having a problem with some Home Work I got to go help. I will check in the morning on the availability off that app and then I will be in touch. I will also backtrack to see what the other app was you recommended to go along with it Thanks for your help talk to you in about 10 hours or so.
Phil.

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Hi Phil,

11 PM here, still Thursday, 12th December.

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Okay so we are like 7 hrs. ahead of you of you it is 6:11 AM now. since I was in the shower still don’t know if I have tis new post thing down yet will wait for your reply to see.
Phil.

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It should be working.

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I must not be doing something correctly I got this in my in box but do not see it in new posts last post I see by you is BSODs at 12-13 5:57 Do I have to do anything with the page thing on the right? I am not even seeing my post come up.

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I must not be doing something correctly I got this in my in box but do not see it in new posts last post I see by you is BSODs at 12-13 5:57

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Once you read it, it no longer shows up in the new posts, Phil.

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I now have you by going to new posts and then the lounge it never showed up in new posts neither did mine

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You mean answer it correct?

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Once you read it, it no longer shows up in the new posts, Phil.

You mean answer it correct.
Phil.

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Ok. Need be away for an hour or so.

If you want to discuss a specific issue, maybe we should start a new topic about it. This topic has covered too many issues already :).

Probably it would be best to tell me what you want to address now and then we decide whether it goes into a new topic.

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I am going to shave I also see where you are doing a bunch of stuff with other people does that mean I am in the right place but just not waiting long enough for you to get back to me?
Phil.
do you mean when it comes up in new posts and answer it it is immediately removed because it is no longer a new post? If so I am just not waiting long enough.

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You mean answer it correct?

No, once you read it, it won’t show up again.

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No, just read it, even if you don’t answer.

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I thought you had gone somewhere? How does it know that you are reading it or is it a fact that when you send your post and go up to new post and wait for your answer are you the only one that sees it and when you answer it then leaves?
Phil.

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The forum just maintains a list of what each user has read or not. When you open the browser in a give topic, it knows it’s you and marks it as read.

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So then I am just not being patient enough because you have other things going on. So once more just to make sure I am correct answer the post go up to the top of the page and click on new post and wait correct?
Phil.

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So once more just to make sure I am correct answer the post go up to the top of the page and click on new post and wait correct?
Phil.

Yes, that’s it, Phil.

I always have a lot of things going on, no worries, but I do think it makes more sense to explain Emsisoft’s configuration when you have it installed.

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Lol, yes Phil, probably it’s best to show you how to do it when you have all the software there.

I am doing a bit of boring code, so I use the Lounge as a distraction. It’s probably being a bit too much of a distraction, you are right :).

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Okay but I am still not doing new posts right because none of these last four or so came up while I was doing e mail with a split screen so something is wrong I am not doing something right. You didn’t answer my question about Silicon Valley?
Phil.

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There are a lot of people coding outside of Sillicon Valley, Phil. California is very far away :). I like what I do and where I do it from :).

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Obviously I can identify with that that’s why I live in Thailand. Okay I am going to try and check out some sites for the Software we need eat breakfast and by then it will probably be time to go to the Bank and do a couple of things so be in touch with you later. Have you given any thought to doing this installation thing between us by e mail and not using the Forum just a thought I think it would be easier for me if it didn’t bother you.
Phil.

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We can arrange something for the install, no worries. Just let me know when you get the software.

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Okay here is what I have so far Emsisoft Anti-Malware 8.1 3 copies $19.97 shipping $9.95 total $29.92 that’s one year license 3 year license $83.97 Shipping the same total $93.92 I have put in my mailing details to Thailand and all no price change don’t not know if it will when I put in my card. What do you think is it the right Product and any other thoughts?
Phil.

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I wouldn’t buy the 3 years extension right now. Buy just one year, you will still be able to renew cheap, no worries. They give increased discounts when renewing, considering the time you have had a license.

I think the price will be just like that, it needs to be, it can’t increase just when the card is charged. Also, I never had it shipped, I always just download and install.

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Okay but its the right Product and version 8.1 and such yes? So I proceed with the transaction and I agree with you about one year I cant believe 3 of them with shipping for less than $ 30.00 Once again it came to my in box first maybe I answer it from there so then it goes away from new post. Will wait for your reply in regards to Product. Will be back at you in a few have to eat. I have waited for a bit and already eaten and now have to go to bank will be back in a bit and get you judgment that it is right product and proceed from there.
Phil.

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Yes, it’s Emsisoft Antimalware, current version is 8.1. Version is not that relevant as it is updated automatically once you get online.
$10 to ship to Thailand is not expensive at all.

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Professor,
I hope you have a good nights rest and I will look forward to talking to you tomorrow.
Phil.

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Hi Phil :).

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Hi Rui,
Well your about like me 6 hrs. of sleep and up again. Well I got Emsisoft and it was $29.92 U.S. for 3 of them and I went online and downloaded it and registered it and it is up and running I did a deep scan on the trial run and another one after I activated it. I turned down the Language Package, the beta downloads and the multiple downloads and changed the number from 5 to 1. I activated everything that there was I did not create a schedule I will take care of it myself. I know I must have missed something in my reporting but now you can tell me what mistakes I made. I never got any signs of any incompatibility. What do I do now uninstall Malware-bytes? You have a way of spreading confidence congratulations.
Phil.

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Well done, Phil, seems you have it all running fairly well. Personally I don’t enable the surf protection as I don’t really need an app to tell me which links are safe or not, but you can run with it activated and see what you think, if you prefer.

There is one thing you need to be aware. EAM will ask for your input, when an app behaves in a way that may constitute a threat – this will be the result of the behavioral analysis module. This will happen with mostly unknown apps, but it can happen with known ones too. You should always look to see what it says about the app. If you are installing something at the very moment the the input is requested, it’s likely that you can respond affirmatively, as it will be the installation of the software that prompts it. If you are not sure, don’t be afraid to come here and ask.

This said, it won’t happen many times, but it may happen a few times. Just don’t answer automatically – have a look before you take a decision.

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Rui,
You mean I didn’t make any mistakes? I cant even believe I did it. How about Malware-bytes uninstall and just go with MSE or do I want to change that also I don’t need to if I don’t have to?
Phil.

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Rui,
You mean I didn’t make any mistakes? I cant even believe I did it. How about Malware-bytes uninstall and just go with MSE or do I want to change that also I don’t need to if I don’t have to?
Phil.

Phil, Malwarebytes Pro (MBAM Pro) is an excellent app. I recommend you keep it as another of your defense layers. Just follow the steps in my previous post to make sure that it won’t cause excessive CPU use when it is scanning your computer.

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Ok, now making sure EAM and MBAM run nicely side to side (if you don’t do it, CPU usage can get a bit high when MBAM is scanning files).

1. Right click the EAM icon at the bottom right in your taskbar and choose Application Rules. You will get something like this:

35751-MBAM1

Click the Add New Rule button. You will get a dialog like this:

35752-MBAM2

Now click the small button with the 3 dots and the top and browse to c:Program Files(x86)Malwarebytes Anti-malware folder and then select mbam.exe. The dialog will look like this:

35753-mbam3

For security mode, choose Always allow this application. Press OK and you’re done. You can close the dialog in 1, which will show a new line with the exclusion you just added.

That’s it. Now EAM and MBAM will run alongside each other fine.

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Rui,
I knew it couldn’t be that easy. Do I really need MBAM? I will wait for your answer and if you say yes I will do it tomorrow I think I remember seeing that box during the installation. But after your answer its time for me to lay down for a while and by the way thank you very much because I already really like that app very very much its great.
Phil.

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I would advise you to keep it, Phil, MBAM is an excellent app and can catch anything EAM misses (it’s always possible, no app will catch everything).

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Okay I will have to check out where I can get a couple of copies of MBAM Pro I just have the free one. What about MSE? And I hate to admit it but can you give a simple explanation of CPU? Thanks very much for everything talk to you in 6 or 7 hrs. Thanks again.
Phil.

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The free is ok too, Phil, I thought you have had the Pro one. There is no need to buy the Pro, then, just run the free one, even if that one won’t provide live protection.

CPU stands for Central Processing Unit, is the one of the central components of a computer. It is the CPU that does most of the work related to getting tasks done in a computer. It basically runs the show, to put it in a simple way. If MBAM is not excluded from withing EAM, it’s possible that the CPU is used in full, slowing down all the rest of the stuff you can do, while it is being used in full.

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Rui,
Good day to you. I have been doing my morning maintenance on my desk top. before I got hold of you. Thank you for the nice concise explanation of CPU I kind of knew that but wasn’t real sure and wasn’t aware of the speed part kind of. I can get Malware-bytes Pro from them Family Pack 3 copies and shipping for about $65.00 I like that live protection and if I am doing this there is no sense going halfway might as well do it all the way and as good as we can. What about MSE are we just going to run with that its okay by me its up to you whether it passes the safe test? Time for shower and stuff will get your answer when I get done. Thanks again for the help. By the way the computer I have been doing the modifications on is a fairly new HP laptop that I boosted up to 8 gig of Ram running w7 64 Bit just like my Desktop I figured if I was going to make a big time error to do it on that one also it doesn’t have as much stuff on it so I could also see what kind of time I was dealing with in regards to doing all these modifications and not lose the service of my Desk top if something goes belly up. Will get your input after shower, thanks.
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Good morning, Phil,

If you run EAM + MBAM Pro, you will be doing fine. I don’t think you will gain much by adding MSE, so I would advise not to add it.

If you want to go ahead anyway, you’d need to exclude it in the same way I showed you could exclude MBAM. You should then exclude EAM in MSE, which is a similar process.

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My Friend,
So what you are saying is when I get MBAM Pro take out MSE? Is there any reason to uninstall it first before I put in MBAM Pro no right or I wouldn’t have to configure it after the installation right? How do I get those instruction boxes that you sent for the configuration of EMS to be a bit bigger I can barely read them? You should be teaching an on line Computer Science class for some University. Let me see what kind of action I can get from MBAM probably just like EMS right download online get CD later huh?
Phil

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You have EAM and MSE running now?

Have you tried to click the images? They will show in normal size, if you do :).

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Well of course not I didn’t know that I just clicked them and they are very readable thanks. Yes I have Emsisoft & MSE on that other computer that’s what I was referring to when I said I had no warnings when doing the Emsisoft installation. As I said I ran two Deep Scans with Emsisoft I have not tried to run MSE since the new installation should I get out that computer and try it? I should probably try and do do your configuration first right? I am sorry disregard what I said I forgot you advised me to take out MSE.
Student.

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EAM can run alongside MSE, you will probably just get a bit of CPU usage.

You can exclude MSE from EAM. You should exclude 3 files:

C:Program FilesMicrosoft Security ClientAntimalwareMsMpEng.exe
C:Program FilesMicrosoft Security ClientAntimalwareNisSrv.exe
C:Program FilesMicrosoft Security Clientmsseces.exe

To exclude EAM in MSE, I am at a disadvantage as I am not running MSE, so I cannot provide direct guidance, but I will look into it.

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Professor,
If you tell me I don’t need it and its overkill its easier to just take it out. I was curious so I looked and I started this thread on th 28th of Nov about going from i.e. 9 to i.e. 10 we sure have come a long way in 16 days. That’s a lot of your time and the benefit of getting to use a lot of your expertise and knowledge. Thanks. I am kind of surprised we haven’t had anyone else ask any questions or have any interaction. Does everyone else already know all this stuff? You give me your best opinion please on MSE, thanks.
Student

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This is a very long discussion, Phil, and we changed subjects, which we really should have not done it (we should have started a discussion on EAM to keep things disciplined).

I would be happy enough with EAM and MBAM Pro. I really don’t think MSE will catch something EAM does not, to be honest.

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Okay Professor,
I will take it out thanks. I apologize if I have caused you to break rules or procedures we should have followed I was not aware of any of that remember I don’t know anything. My apologies again but it has been kind of nice not having people butting in but I guess that is being pretty selfish now that I think about it. I will now go and see what I can do about getting Malware-bytes Pro you got any suggestions outside of their site? Why is Emsisoft called EAM instead of EMS?
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No need to apologize, it’s not like it’s a big offense, we have been discussing things that fall within the Lounge purpose.

RetiredGeek posted a link to a MBAM promotion a few days ago, I don’t know if it will still be available, though.

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I hate to ask you this but how would I go about finding that post? Just like not changing the subject I don’t know much about how this Forum works. Thanks.

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It wasn’t RetiredGeek, the post was this one: http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread//158180-Malwarebytes-Pro-offer?highlight=malwarebytes

Seems the offer is not longer available.

The best deal I can find now is this one: http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/malwarebytes-anti-malware

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Professor,
I will check it out. Sometime I will have to ask how you do that so fast you must have one heck of a library or whatever it is called for Software. Thanks for the link.
Student

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Professor,
I will check it out. Sometime I will have to ask how you do that so fast you must have one heck of a library or whatever it is called for Software. Thanks for the link.
Student

No secrets there, Phil, it’s just using Google or Bing. It’s actually harder to find something here :).

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Professor,
Thanks for the link I now have 3 Malware-bytes Pro license’s and I am now going to get out the laptop that I put Emsisoft on and take out MSE after I do the download of MBAM and print out copies of your configuration and see if I can do. How will I be able to run a test to tell me if it has been configured correctly, please. Thanks again.
Student.

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Professor,
Got a small glitch. Open Program files in 3 dot box but there is no c:Program Files(86) there is a Program Files(x86) but it doesn’t have a mbam.exe and even if it did I wouldn’t know how to get into that header on the left of the 3 dot box. I hope you are out having a good time if anybody deserves it its you with all the hours you put in. Talk to you when you get time. Thanks for all your help and by the way the licenses for MBAM say they are for life can that be true and if it is how can they survive doing that?
Student.

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Got a small glitch. Open Program files in 3 dot box but there is no c:Program Files(86) there is a Program Files(x86) but it doesn’t have a mbam.exe and even if it did I wouldn’t know how to get into that header on the left of the 3 dot box. I hope you are out having a good time if anybody deserves it its you with all the hours you put in. Talk to you when you get time. Thanks for all your help and by the way the licenses for MBAM say they are for life can that be true and if it is how can they survive doing that?

You need to look for Program Files (x86)Malwarebytes Anti-Malwarembam.exe. If you click the three dots button and browse to this file, you just need to click the file and the whole thing will be copied to the proper place, Phil.

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You always get the same version, Phil. It turns into Pro once you enter the data you get when you buy the Pro license – product ID and product Key.

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Professor,
I have discovered that and activated everything but have a small problem that I just posted and I will talk to you tomorrow when you have time going to go out and drink some beer. Thank you again for that link and all the rest of the kind things you have done.
Student.

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Professor,
Good day 5:am. There is no Program File as you are requesting there is only a Program (Filex86) and inside of it does not have mbam.exe at least I understand how to move the file if we find I.
Student

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Look for the folder Malwarebytes Anti-Malware inside the Program Files (x86) folder. Can you find it?

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Yes it also does not have it. Also there is a Program Files and it doesn’t contain it either.

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And you have Malwarebytes installed?

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Yes and it says Pro up in the right hand corner of the screen that you use to pick the kind of scan you want to execute so it is activated. I figure it is some small change they have made since you last did an install we are just a baby step away. I am going to take a shower be back in 10 minutes.

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Did you check your email, Phil? I sent you something that I think can be of help.

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Yes I have I am sitting in front of that computer now and sending this e mail from it I have not been able to contact you with the viewer do yownt me to give you my info now or what? You know best or do you want to get it from me by e mail?

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Yeah, email is ok.

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I am sitting in front of it now.

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Sent it to your Lounge email address.

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I just got a message from you about that you sent something to me in the lounge but I have recevied nothing unless i missed it up above. I have been waiting for an e mail from you to give you info on team item.
Student

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I emailed at your Lounge email address about 4 hours ago. Did you look in your email client?

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I got the link that you sent about an hour or so ago and have the ID and Password to give you as soon as you e mail me.

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Just reply to my email with the data.

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I have done so. Please let me know that you have received it so I can diminish screen on laptop and see what you do with the pointer to see what I didn’t do or did wrong, thanks.
Phil.

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Nothing so far.

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Rui,
I just sent you an e mail with info in it its about 4pm here so should be about 11am if I figure right for you. When you get up at your leisure send me either an e mail at Hotmail or something in the Forum. I am going out for a couple of hrs. but not for too long. I do want to watch you do this thing so I can see wat I did wrong. Thanks.
Phil.

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It’s now 1222 here, Phil, and I still have no email. My signature has the link to my site. If you go there, you will find a Contact menu, that allows anyone to contact me, by filling a form. You can provide the information requested through that form and it will reach me almost immediately.

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Phil,

Got your details. I am just leaving with the family for a few hours, but I will contact you as soon as I get back (around 6 or 7 hours or so).

Have a nice day.

Regards

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Rui,
I am so glad to hear you finally got the details you need. In 6 or 7 hrs. it will be 4 or 5 am for me I will be getting up about then or shortly there after. If you would be kind enough to post the fact on the Forum and send me an e mail at Hotmail that you have received the needed Data then I will respond to you as soon as I possibly can and will get that laptop up and running and will let you know as quick as I can. I definitely want to watch the Pointer and find out what I did wrong or what I did not do right so I don’t have to bother you to do this again for my Desktop which is going to go through the very same transition. Thank you for your time and consideration. Many thanks Rui.
P.S. If you happen to be back now I will be up another hour or so give me a yell.
Sincerely,
Phil.

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Phil, I am back. Will catch up with some stuff and when I am ready here, will let you know.

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Professor,
Ready when you are there is a post below you should read.
Student.

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Professor,
Thank you very much.
Student
Did you get this twice?.

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I’ve had problems with IE 11 on two machines, Win 7 & Win 8. (Posted on the IE pages). On the Win 8 machine it got to the point where it wouldn’t run for more than a few seconds, so I switched to Firefox 26. End of problems.

David

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Glad to Hear it david continued Good luck.
Phil.

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