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    Decided to give my aged 6 years old (well it will be in May) system an upgrade.   I really thought about replacing the drive with an SSD, but didn’t wan’t to go through the hassle of disk-copy or even installing a new OS and then re-installing all my programs.   Did some research and found out about PrimoCache.  There’s several programs similar to PrimoCache (not going to mention them; others can if they like), but this program’s like the Cadillac of them all if you ask me.  I waited and read all I could over a period of several weeks before deciding to bite the bullet.  I purchased a Hynix Gold 256G SSD (had great reviews and was under $50 (well after tax a bit over $50) from Amazon.   Great HD so far.    I then installed PrimoCache.  They give you a 30 day free trial, but after just a few hours, I said, to myself, this program actually does what they said it would do and paid the $29.95 for it.   Not going to break the bank.   Anyway, file access time’s at least 3 times faster on my machine now, and I literally installed the HD and program and was up and running within 20 minutes tops (more like 12 to 15 minutes but I wasn’t using a stop watch).   The biggest problem was blowing out all the dust.   lolololololol

    Great thing about using the SSD as a cache drive is, if it fails, it won’t harm your HDD at all.  Many other advantages to using PrimoCache with SDD but I’ll let you all do your own homework for that info, but will add that if you have a MB that supports the faster SSDs, you can actually use Optane cache drives with AMD and I’ll argue that it PrimoCache is better than any implementation from Intel (from reading and watching videos from sources such as Linus Tech Tips).

    Boot time’s also noticeably faster.   May not be SSD fast, but I just wanted to milk my system for another 4 years if possible (again it’s already 6 years old) and by then, who knows what the state of PCs will be like then.    Very surprised, after doing a forum search, that no one’s mentioned PrimoCache before here since it’s been around for a long time (formally it was called FancyCache).    Maybe Fred or someone else here at AskWoody might do an actual technical review.  I can only tell you my HDD barely giggles now (no thrashing at all anymore; barely even hear it now).    Programs, like the GIMP (since I do computer art) definitely now launches faster and again, I don’t hear my HD anymore so it’s either re-launching from L1 cache or the L2 cache (i.e,  SSD); I have no clue.   lol.   Even my VMs (I use a VM as a sandbox) don’t thrash as I run them.    Programs (mainly browsers; use MyPal) launch faster and browsing from different sites appear quicker.

    Anyway, I ended up re-formatting my new SSD, since, to 2 drives.  For my needs, a 32G partition appears to be good enough for PrimoCache (since I’m not gamer) so actually using the rest of the 256Gs for a backup drive and finally addressing the Window nag of me setting up a background backup system.  Windows has already written 76Gs of data to that partition (and I didn’t allow it to back up certain directories since it would fill the partition to the brim if I did so; lol).

    Final note; I also decided to upgrade my 12Gs to 28Gs so I purchased 2 used 8Gs (matching at least I hope they are, but they are used) from Amazon for around $56 after the dust settles.   Hopefully it will be here mid-week and I’m looking forward to increase L1 Cache even more (right now I noticed, with what my system requires, I can only use 3Gs of RAM for L1; going to go to 12Gs once my new sticks get in.   Probably won’t hear my HD all, then).    All-in-all, I spent under $130 and at least doubled my perceived speed (some things quadrupled) with respect to file access.   Definitely was worth the money to me.   Should have done what I did years ago.   lol

    Will continue to use hibernate though, since I tend to keep programs running between power offs and I don’t like my system on all the time (yes; I know the arguments about always leaving system up or not; at least, virtually, I keep my system on via Hibernate).  Not really concerned with SSD longevity as far as wear and tear but you can also all but eliminate that too but setting the PrimoCache slider to read only; I left read/write active (80% read and 20% write) for faster response.   To each his/her own.   Below’s the link to their site.  If that is not allowed here, I’ll remove it or the Ops can.   🙂

    https://www.romexsoftware.com/en-us/primo-cache/

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    • #2252537

      I have two internal HDDs (one “system”, one “data”), each with plenty of spare capacity and could be partitioned, but no SSD (yet).  I have 16 GB of memory, of which never more than about 30% is in use at any time.  Would I benefit from PrimoCache, if so. in what way?

      Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 20H2

    • #2252561

      Indeed your system would benefit tremendously from L1 Cache (memory) alone, Bundaburra.  You may or may not see any benefit while booting, but file access during in session time will be a scream.

      As a side note, my 16Gs of ram came in 3 days early and am about to install them; wish me luck.   🙂

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    • #2252568

      Argghhhh.   I mis-read. Never order anything after midnight. They’re 8Gs (2×4) pair. Have to admit I didn’t see the 2×4 when I ordered these. I should have known better to not buy anything when bushed. lol

      Not going to fret since 20Gs is better than 12Gs. Would have been nice to have 28Gs, but 20Gs will do me good enough. Still, Arggggggggg. lololol

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    • #2252622

      Will continue to use hibernate though, since I tend to keep programs running between power offs and I don’t like my system on all the time (yes; I know the arguments about always leaving system up or not; at least, virtually, I keep my system on via Hibernate).

      I dug your ramble and most of your strategies were news to me. So thank you. I never trusted Hibernation on Win 7 because it failed to boot at least twice.

      I’d never thought about the ideas you mentioned. I switched my primary desktop from Win 7 to Win 10 in September 2018 with very fast hardware including an SSD. I later swapped my 500 GB SSD for a 1 TB one.

      My approach to computing is to buy the fastest thing I can. For high-performance cars and computers my maxims are, “Speed costs money. How fast do I want to go?” 😉

      My style is to automate as much as possible on my computers, with two separate local and two separate cloud backups. Then to drive the computer as fast it will go. Triple-digit speeds on the long straightaways and 75 MPH through the slowest curves are my preferences 😉

      Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster

    • #2252677

      I’ve ended up setting the SSD to Read only cache (keeps the wear and tear down)  since I upgraded my memory to 20Gs (dedicating 8Gs for PrimoCache which I set to read/write).   I toyed with block size but ended up keeping the default 32K size since I noticed my system slow down especially with 4K setting.  I did keep 16K around for a day or 2 but decided the default settings from PrimoCache was the best as far as my old system was concerned.  Now I’m sure if my system was newer, that I could use 4K block size and things would really zoom.   I’m still stoked about this cool tool.   Hope again a proper review from one of the staff here at Ask Woody gets done.   Still cannot believe this topic has not been discussed here.  It may have been at Windows Secrets, but I just don’t know.    I did do a search here but no hits.   🙂

    • #2252683

      They give you a 30 day free trial, but after just a few hours, I said, to myself, this program actually does what they said it would do and paid the $29.95 for it.   Not going to break the bank.   Anyway, file access time’s at least 3 times faster on my machine now

      You could have achieved 10x faster then SATA III speeds with an Nvme M.2 SSD drive, installing/migrating Windows OS to the SSD and using your HDD for data, backups…

      • #2263961

        UR correct. nvme would make a world of difference, especially if u can find some cpu pcie lanes to connect a pcie nvme port adapter to.

        cheap adapters can be found for x1/x2/x4 pcie slots. chipset lanes work, but not as well.

        sata is very c****y by comparison – its for hdd, not solid state – even if the nvme is only 450MB/s on pcie x1, it bypasses a lot of processing overheads and latency.

        many? old mobos may offer a doable full performance pcie 3 x4 pcie slot if an 8 lane gpu or the igp were used.

        shame about the licence tho – thats a lot of $

      • #2506114

        I fear you miss the larger benefit.  I have a 8tb drive and a 1tb NVME.  I can install all my games onto the 8tb and primocache will store the most accessed files on the nvme and rotate them out as my habits change.  Now I can have way more than 1tb of games installed and play whatever I want whenever I want.  It typically will have all the most loaded files on the L2 cache when playing that first time at that point.

    • #2253468

      True if I had a mother board that supported such drives, Alex.  My system’s 6 years old.  Could have possibly purchased a pci-e card maybe, but again, I just want to milk my system for another 4 years.  Not a gamer, so not going for blinding game results.  Just want faster file handling response and PrimoCache delivers.   Possibly will for gamers as well since a lot of sites (pro and con) talk about PrimoCache, but again, folks will need to try it for themselves.    🙂

    • #2255050

      I downloaded PrimoCache and gave it a try, and it looks good.  I don’t have a(n) SSD, but I found a 32 GB flash drive and am using that as the L2 cache.  When I can get out of jail, I will go purchase a bigger capacity one, but for now 32 GB is OK.  I have 16 GB of memory, of which 1 GB is for graphics. By trial and error, and watching the page file, I have found that allocating 4 GB to the L1 cache is about right.  As I write this, RAM usage is 51%, which suits me.

      I intend to run with the trial for two or three weeks more.  If by then I still think it’s a good product, I will buy it.  $29.95 US is about $A48 at present, but no doubt still worth it.

      Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 20H2

    • #2255070

      That’s good use of your flash drive, Bundaburra.   Set to read only, it will write what it needs and then cache those programs once done and read speeds of flash sticks are pretty fast (write not so much).   I think, from what I’m experiencing in my own rig, it’s much better than readyboost and by several times.   Hope to see you share your experiences with this program once you’ve toyed with it some.   🙂

    • #2255075

      What sort of flash drive? These are generally slower than an HDD, so performance would suffer.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2255091

      It’s a TDK brand, 32GB, USB 3.0, attached to a 3.0 port.  Apart from that, I don’t know what “sort” it is – just a spare one that I had lying around.

      In my experience, not slower than a HDD.  Did you mean SSD?  As I don’t have an SSD, this is the only way I can take advantage of a Level 2 cache using PrimoCache.  Works for me.

      Windows 10 Pro 64 bit 20H2

    • #2255103

      Model number? We can check the performance and work out if it’s of value.

      Better still, download Nirsoft USBDeview and CrystalDiskMark and do the testing yourself.

      cheers, Paul

    • #2258196
      OK; an update.
      I ended up having to run the CLI command to enable prefetch; see link below:
      I also ended up rejiggering my SSD for 64Gs or Cache (originally had 32Gs) since I noticed that the Cache drive was getting close to full.  64Gs should be good enough.  The rest of the partition set to auto-back my data.  Since my Data doesn’t change that often, it should keep the write access to the drive to a minimum.
      My next system will hopefully have a 128G Optane Drive; in 4 years it hopefully will be cheap enough to afford it.   lol
      🙂
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    • #2324816

      Just a head’s up for those that use PrimoCache.  They released a major update; so far so good (but kept my previous settings so no drama for me). If you chose the 4K option (I didn’t; takes too much RAM memory if so), it won’t currently work at that setting; will get another update to support 4K setting in a few weeks.   🙂

       

      https://forum.romexsoftware.com/en-us/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=5158

    • #2339177

      As promised, an update to version 4 which now supports 4kn drives.    🙂

      https://forum.romexsoftware.com/en-us/viewtopic.php?p=15560#p15560

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