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    #2020671

    See that activation on the top?  That’s a $61 (US) first year fee for Windows 7 Extended Security Updates that is activated on a Windows 7 Ultimate ma
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #2020685

      Thanks. That is good news! I am eagerly awaiting your article. Thanks for all your efforts!

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    • #2020691

      There comes a point in time where one has to ask how long one should stick with an older OS.
      How many people out there still run DOS 6.02 or Windows 3.1? Anyone at all?

      Software developers eventually stop supporting older OSes. So, new software with valuable features won’t run on older OSes. At some point you have to ask yourself, is it really worth the struggle swimming against the current.

      I can there there being a point in time where even Internet access is going to be difficult with older OSes … just as it is difficult with dial-up 300 baud modems now.

      Don’t take this the wrong way people. I have an old Kaypro II with CP/M. But I run ZCPR3 on it. It has 64KB of RAM and 4 half-height floppies. There is no modem and no NIC.

      And I also have an old XP system.

      But, my real systems have Windows 10 Pro because I really don’t want to be living in the past.

      Byte me!

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      • #2020713

        I don’t see 10 as evil and untrustworthy.  There are actual business cases that people have for staying on 7.  A line of business app.  A key business flow.  If you are staying on 7 because you think 10 gives you no control, I would disagree.  If you are staying on 7 because you don’t like the 10 menu, we can get 10 to look like 7.  But please don’t stay on an unpatched 7 and use it for online banking, daily sensitive work online.  It will be targeted.  It will be attacked.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2020801

          I don’t see 10 as evil and untrustworthy.

          That’s your opinion though. Do you trust Microsoft with your data? What about Google? What about Facebook? If you trust all of those companies, Microsoft included, then that’s fine, but there are many people that don’t.

           

          If you are staying on 7 because you think 10 gives you no control, I would disagree

          Can you please elaborate on this? I cannot see how control over our own computers has gotten better in any area with Windows 10. The only thing they have done is slowly taking it away, just look at the updates or how our settings get reset every feature update.

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          • #2020852

            Given that my email is now on Office 365, yes I trust the storage,  but I do think that they need to beef up and have more security as default in 365.  Because they have to also use that cloud storage for governments/defense dept so I’ve done my due diligence.

             

            No longer do things get reset between feature releases.. yes this occurred early on but not now.

            Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

          • #2023096

            Do you trust Microsoft with your data? What about Google? What about Facebook? If you trust all of those companies, Microsoft included, then that’s fine, but there are many people that don’t.

            I basically trust Microsoft with my data. I’ve seen no evidence that I can’t trust them. But I’ve seen a huge amount of evidence that I can’t trust Google with my data. To see what I am talking about: open Firefox and install the NoScript add-on. Now surf the web. At each website you visit, click the NoScript button. A pop-up will appear, showing you which sites are trying to run scripts in the background. You will find that on just about every website you visit, Google is running scripts. (I have discovered that my bank runs Google scripts AFTER I have logged in, while I am looking through my account via online access.) Why do you suppose they are all running Google scripts? Undoubtedly, Google pays them money (or provides some kind of functionality) if they run the scripts; this allows Google to silently collect information on those who visit just about every website in the world.

            A lot of websites are running scripts from “facebook.net”. You don’t need those scripts in order to access Facebook. My guess is that “facebook.net” scripts are for the Facebook “share” buttons you find on just about everyone’s web site, while “facebook.com” scripts provide needed functionality when you log onto Facebook.

            The only place I have ever seen Microsoft scripts running is on Microsoft’s own websites.

            My personal opinion about Microsoft’s telemetry is that they are using whatever information they collect to make Windows better and more secure; but they aren’t monetizing my information (except perhaps to display ads about their own products). I can live with that a whole lot easier than I can with what Google and Facebook are doing.

            Group "L" (Linux Mint)
            with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
    • #2020701

      now the question will be – will the Win7 ESU keys work on HOME editions like Home Premium, Susan?

      • #2020711

        No.  As you can see in the screen shot it’s Pro and above.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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        • #2021232

          Susan:  I have Windows 7 Professional,  but it’s not Ultimate.  When you say “it’s Pro and above”,  does that mean it will work on my computer?  (I’m a computer “Dummy” and so I’m not able to understand the screenshot).  Also,  if the answer is “yes” ,  will it matter that mine is 32-bit (rather than 64-bit)?

          • #2021616

            Thanks for the clarification, Susan. Those using Win7 Home basic or Home premium (or even Starter edition) will have to upgrade to either Win7 Pro or Ultimate to purchase ESUs for Win7.

            Note to L95 – it will NOT matter whether using 32bit (x86) or 64bit (x64). As long as you are using Windows 7 Professional, Enterprise, Embedded or even Ultimate (regardless of bit-ness) you can get ESUs and they will work.

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            • #2023087

              Hello EP:   Thanks very much for the clarification.

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    • #2020874

      I don’t see 10 as evil and untrustworthy.

      That’s your opinion though. Do you trust Microsoft with your data? What about Google? What about Facebook? If you trust all of those companies, Microsoft included, then that’s fine, but there are many people that don’t.

       

      If you are staying on 7 because you think 10 gives you no control, I would disagree

      Can you please elaborate on this? I cannot see how control over our own computers has gotten better in any area with Windows 10. The only thing they have done is slowly taking it away, just look at the updates or how our settings get reset every feature update.

      Look, man, at some point you’re going to have to let this go.

      This whole stance of “I explicitly trust Microsoft with the ongoing operation of my computer — including the safety of my data — by running their operating system…. but I don’t trust Microsoft with the ongoing operation of my computer — including the safety of my data” is extremely weird and illogical.

      If you’re running Windows — ANY version of Windows — you’ve already ceded control to Microsoft!

      There might be a line of code in Windows 7 SP1, perhaps intentional, perhaps accidental, that says “On February 15, 2022 at 11:15 am, delete all the user’s data.”  Maybe it’s a bug in the file system driver.  Maybe a foreign government agent slipped something into the source code of Windows and it went undected.

      There probably isn’t such a bug, but how do you know?  You don’t!  None of us do!  And yet you trust Microsoft enough to run that risk?

      Look, if you don’t trust Microsoft for whatever reason, then that’s your perogative… but it’s time to switch to Linux and never look back.  At least with Linux, you have the implied trustworthiness of everything being open source.  Don’t clutch to Windows 7 like it’s some bastion of safety.

      And besides, Windows telemetry is measuring things like whether the Start menu animation is running smoothly, and whether Wordpad is still being used by many people….. not whether you’re cheating on your taxes or your wife.

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      • #2020904

        In principle, it should not be difficult to determine whether and how much Windows 7 is communicating with the MS mothership, using some sort of network traffic monitor. I would expect the amount of this traffic to be considerably less than the traffic that goes between Windows 10 and the mothership.

        One could extend the experiment by having a Windows 7 system join the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP), then compare the resulting level of bidirectional MS-Win7 traffic to that produced in Windows 10.

        Thing is, in Windows 10 the telemetry choices are limited to some telemetry (“Basic” level, which I am led to believe is equivalent to joining CEIP in Windows 7) or more telemetry; whereas in Windows 7 the user is given a clear choice not to join CEIP at all.

        As to whether MS can be trusted to honor its pledge to collect only certain kinds of information from Windows 10 users, one might compare the respective amounts of traffic as described above to get a sense of how much (or how much more) is being sent out. This is probably about as well as we can do, given that the precise content of what’s going out is encrypted. (Not that I would want it to go out “in the clear.”) But I can say that MS’s attempts to sneak Windows 10 onto Windows 7 users’ computers, such as with the GWX campaign, seriously damaged the company’s trustworthiness in my eyes and in the eyes of uncounted others.

        Having declined to join CEIP; avoided installing Windows updates known to consist of telemetry functions; and disabled telemetry tasks from Security Only patches known to contain them, I am as assured as I can be that Microsoft is gathering no more information from me in Windows 7 than it ever did, and that what it does take is less than it would were I using Windows 10 (barring extraordinary measures) to the same extent as I presently use Windows 7.

         

    • #2020879

      They can still block Ultimate from eligibily through Microsoft-Windows-SLC-Component-ExtendedSecurityUpdatesAI manifest, which will be shipped with ESU updates

      the manifest actually already shipped with 2019-12 rollup KB4530734, but it’s only a placeholder for now

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      • #2020954

        Very interesting. So the conclusion is that nothing is certain until MS says Ultimate is covered? Until they issue such a statement the fact that it works now does not mean anything, because they could change it with every ESU they release?

      • #2020988

        Yep, nothing certain 🙂

        also, why Ultimate N is not included?

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        Pim
        • #2021627

          you have to ask Susan about that
          what about “Ultimate E”

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          • #2021790

            Based on ESU licenses, Ultimate N and E are only eligible for Embedded systems

    • #2020903

      “Stay tuned as a step by step article will be out soon.”

      You betcha. Thanks for making the first crack in the wall.

      I am curious as to how this went/goes not only as a series of steps, but as far as a financial transaction. I swore off credit cards years ago after Equifax. If you can’t use PayPal or a check, I’m verstchuken. 🙁

      Oh, and $61? I thought it was going to be $50. Undoubtedly there will be some “three upturned tumblers and a ball under one of them” flummery as well. <sigh>

      Win7 Pro SP1 64-bit, Dell Latitude E6330 ("The Tank"), Intel CORE i5 "Ivy Bridge", 12GB RAM, Group "0Patch", Multiple Air-Gapped backup drives in different locations. Linux Mint Newbie
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      "The more kinks you put in the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the pipes." -Scotty

      • #2021112

        Amy accepts ACH, and old fashioned checks for payment.  Per Microsoft the $61 is to make it align with the SA/Volume licensing folks costs.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #2021292

      Pingback and a chat with CSP partner MessageOps

      Microsoft CSP Tells How To Get Windows 7 Extended Security Updates

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      Pim
    • #2021302

      Because they have to also use that cloud storage for governments/defense dept so I’ve done my due diligence.

      I think the /s is missing at the end of that statement.
      Since when governments/defense care about security, quality,… they just signed a contract with Peter Thiel !!

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