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    #172746

    Patch Lady Susan here:  This will be a post whereby I don’t answer a question, but rather bring up many more questions. Firstly here are some OLD back
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    Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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    • #172761

      Good that they have servicing stack update and with another patch (KB4090913) released at the same time they note “Even though the update was successfully installed, Windows Update incorrectly reports that the update failed to install.” as a known issue. Cannot get more lame than that.

      I’d say they need to reinstate their QA instead.

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    • #172798

      Patch Lady Susan here: This will be a post whereby I don’t answer a question, but rather bring up many more questions. Firstly here are some OLD back[See the full post at: Patch Lady – Servicing Stack Updates]

      Thnx, Good to know that life is getting less complicated  :-S

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    • #172800

      Not surprising given Microsoft is doing more to force everything on our PC’s without much option to regress if it doesn’t work. My own opinion is I don’t find Windows 10 better at updates for the end user as say XP through Windows 7. The concept of auto updating is great, but only if it actually works. Doesn’t help much if you get a forced update that doesn’t and Microsoft decides to pull it. Damage already done, and possible no recourse for end system.

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    • #172814

      SSU never cause functionality issues to the OS, the only real problems they may cause is related to installing updates or confliction
      neither they have any affect of the speed of searching updates through WU

      almost all “updating” issues in Windows 10 ver 1709 are a result of mixing new UUP with standard WUA (i.e. Cumulative Updates and SSUs are now handled by UUP stack)

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      • #173029

        neither they have any affect of the speed of searching updates through WU

        Right. All the wonders KB3020369 has done to speed up the install of updates is enabling installation of KB3172605. With the need for KB3172605 gone, relevance of Servicing Stack Updates toward Windows Update issues is less than zero. Still KB3177467 has made it to Microsoft Support article 10164. An unexpected side effect of Canadian Tech, myself and others creating the blueprint for KB3200747 at answers.microsoft.com. It just made no sense recommending KB3172605 without mentioning its prerequisite.

        Also see:

        https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/new-version-of-the-windows-update-troubleshooter/#post-170775

         

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    • #172817

      “They are usually uninstall-able”

      I wonder if you meant “They are usually not uninstall-able”?

      • #172843

        I recall that the April 2015 servicing stack update for Windows 7, KB3020369, was specifically listed as uninstallable. KB3020369 would also cause a Stage 3 of 3 hang on reboot if other updates were installed at the same time. The solutions for the hang were to type Ctrl-Alt-Delete to login, or to wait a few minutes and verify that there was no hard drive activity and then do a hard reset of the computer. This implies that it is probably best to install servicing stack updates by themselves and not at the same time as any other updates.

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    • #172831

      In my opinion, the reason it takes so long to go from new install to fully patched between Windows 7 and Windows 10 has less to do with any great advance in Windows 10 updating and more to do with conscience decisions made by Microsoft to exaggerate that process by refusing to create a Service Pack 2 for Windows 7.

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      • #172912

        Seem to recall @woody and @ch100 nicknaming KB3125574 as the unofficial SP2 for Win7all and that had to be installed with a Servicing Stack update KB3020369 on\offline, I suppose at this late stage of the game its a forlorn hope to wish for an official, unofficial SP3 prior to EOL. 🙁

        • #173115

          KB3125574 is the unofficial Windows 7 SP2 update which is also known as the Convenience Update Rollup. KB3125574 includes updates which have some serious known issues, updates which install telemetry, and one update which is known to brick some ASUS computers. KB3125574 also has documented flaws. See:

          http://windows-update-checker.com/FAQ/ConvenienceRollupKB3125574-Issues.htm

          I have avoided KB3125574 like the plague whenever I perform new Win7 installations.

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    • #173050

      I think some of the more frequent changes is due to Microsoft changing the goal posts, re: this new chipset is not allowed to receive Updates any more, etc. Every time they add a new set of rules in there, I can see them having to make changes to the underlying update engine, which is d**n frustrating, because it’s all just in the drive to get more copies of Windows 10 out there, NOT to make the OS more stable/secure.

      No matter where you go, there you are.

    • #173143

      Perhaps a plausible reason for the most recent v1709 servicing stack update is to help fix this issue listed in https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4074588: “After installing this update, some USB devices and onboard devices, such as a built-in laptop camera, keyboard or mouse, may stop working.  This may occur when the windows update servicing stack incorrectly skips installing the newer version of some critical drivers in the cumulative update and uninstalls the currently active drivers during maintenance.”

    • #173152

      I know this is engaging in a bit of sadomasonecroequinophilia here, but as usual, there’s not enough info on this to tell me, a person managing 3000 PCs whether I want to add this to my WSUS server. We’re all Windows 10. They’re all getting updates to it. Why do I need to add this in? If they would JUST TELL US SOMETHING MORE.

      You’re not Apple, Microsoft. You don’t have a walled garden to give you the (appearance of ) luxury of NOT sharing information. I’ve got 3000 PCs- and I’m small compared to a lot of places- which I don’t want to brick or prevent getting further updates.

      I’ll be honest- I err on the side of installing. Too much bad stuff. Too much malware. But you’re killing me, guys.

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      • #173186

        I think it’s best to not delay installation of a servicing stack update for too long, if this comment from Microsoft employee Nathan Mercer also applies to Windows 10: “3. If there are any pre-requisites that are needed to install a monthly rollup we will ensure they are documented in our release notes. In general we try to avoid pre-reqs because it causes complexity for you and for us. Any update with a pre-req is not applicable in Windows Update until the pre-req is installed. So if we did pre-req on an update that you had hidden, it would never show as being applicable to you. The most frequent updates that become pre-reqs are Servicing Stack Updates (SSU) which update the servicing model itself. We would strongly encourage users not to hide those types of updates.”

      • #173226

        I will get that question answered.  I’m in the same boat at the office – as WSUS doesn’t automatically approve them.

        Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

    • #173160

      “They are usually uninstall-able” I wonder if you meant “They are usually not uninstall-able”?

      That was what I also thought. I was to lazy to boot a W10 VM to double check the current ssu, but I’ve mentioned that uninstall thing within my blog post Windows 10 Version 1709: Servicing Stack Update KB4090914 (without mentions Susan’s contradictionary statement). I linked my blog post to the article explaining the trick, how to make a servicing stack update uninstallable. But after doing that, the system is ‘damaged’ and can’t be used to install further updates.

      Ex Microsoft Windows (Insider) MVP, Microsoft Answers Community Moderator, Blogger, Book author

      https://www.borncity.com/win/

      • #173181

        The original post has since been altered to add the word “not.”

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