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Once upon a time we were told that with Windows 10 you’d never be more than 2 patches away from fully patched. Just purchased two Surface Go units wit
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Just curious — what was the level of Windows 10 that was shipped with the machine?

If 1809, rather than relying on Microsoft, I’d probably use Microsoft .ISO to install 1903 (or if you dare, 1909), rather than waiting for the update process. That might get you through with fewer reboots.

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It was 1809.  You know me I wanted to see the Windows update experience.  Remember we were told that we’d never be more than a two patches away from fully patched.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Remember we were told that we’d never be more than a two patches away from fully patched.

I don’t see how Windows 10 itself could ever require more than one feature update plus one cumulative update. Aren’t .Net, Flash, Defender, MSRT bound to be additional if required?

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“The Cumulative Update for .NET Framework will have the following characteristics:

• Independent – Released separately from the Windows Cumulative Update
• Cumulative – The latest patch will fully update all .NET Framework versions on your system
• Same cadence – The Cumulative Update for .NET Framework will be released on the same cadence as Windows 10.”

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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Susan Bradley wrote:

It was 1809.  You know me I wanted to see the Windows update experience.  Remember we were told that we’d never be more than a two patches away from fully patched.

I do believe that the “we’d never be more than a two patches away from fully patched” is addressed specifically toward current up-to-date installations in use, not an OEM purchase with a dated installation.

I could be wrong, it happens often…

Always create a fresh drive image before making system changes/Windows updates; you may need to start over!

We all have our own reasons for doing the things that we do with our systems; we don't need anyone's approval, and we don't all have to do the same things.

We were all once "Average Users".

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I’ve been a Win7 user for a long time. Recently a friend upgraded her computer and gave me her older laptop with Win10 installed. I have programs that will not run on Win10 because there are no available drivers so I expect that eventually my Win7 desktop will become an offline machine. All well and good. Now the problem. My internet connection is not terribly fast and I have a data cap. For me, anything over about 100MB is a large download. I understand that Win10 updates are cumulative and average 200-300MB. Is that true? And what when they have one of their “feature” updates (the numbered ones – I don’t know what they’re called). How large are those? I can see a situation where I will be unable to allow Win10 to update. Perhaps I should just stay with Win7 and take my chances? Any opinions or advice would be most appreciated.

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With a data cap you are probably best sticking with W7 in the short term. There is little risk if you have up to date anti virus software and make regular backups to an external USB so you can recover if things go pear shaped.

You can happily run the W10 laptop but you must set the network connection to “metered“.

cheers, Paul

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Yeah…

Had utmost pleasure of trying to restore back to 1607 via HP Recovery Media recently and then subsequently discovering that it’s quite a journey to get me to 1909, with few sizeable patches and feature upgrades to 1803/1809 popping up in Windows Update.

So yes, I was equally unimpressed (and also abandoned this route entirely).

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Did you try going straight to 1909 using the Microsoft Media Creation Tool and downloading the ISO?

cheers, Paul

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This is HP machine and I’d rather have its configuration – if I need to – restored to factory state via suitable and provided Recovery Media. Otherwise PC becomes unsupportable in case issues arise (putting aside what I think about HP Support for that matter).

So no, this option is out and I don’t even consider it.

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You wind up with *exactly* the same result taking the long and painful route you tried; the only difference is the amount of bandwidth, time, and energy wasted.

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…hence I cherish and enjoy – and protect very much either – my March 2017 deployment on this PC that have been updating and upgrading on its own without – luckily – any bigger difficulties and for three years either (barring the unexplained to this day mysterious glitch around upgrade to 1903 that messed up data in WinSxS – which I found out about some weeks later and luckily did manage to fix manually).

I think the problem that Susan raised is two-fold:

1. It’s just not true that you’d never be more than 2 patches away from fully patched unfortunately. As just proven by Susan and my little side-exercise. Otherwise any such upgrade should be a seamless doddle.
2. Not being able to control patching since Windows 10 inception was a very bad and doomed idea. My 1607 deployment was bombarded upfront with various numerous patches preceding 1809/1903 feature upgrade, all being deployed simultaneously and without any user’s control or input. Which ground my PC to a halt for at least an hour and left me wondering if it ever recovers from this state

Just my two-pence.

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With Windows 7, I just had all the updates already downloaded with WSUS offline, and let it do its thing overnight. I came back, and everything was updated.

Looks like it handles Windows 10 as well.

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My mother’s computer was more than two patches away from being up to date. Her PC has a small SSD (32 GB – just cheap visionbook) and it stucked in infinite loop of trying to update and failing to update because it lacked free space on the C: drive.

Dell Latitude 3420, Intel Core i7 @ 2.8 GHz, 16GB RAM, W10 22H2 Enterprise

HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

PRUSA i3 MK3S+

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Didn’t it tell you that you didn’t have enough disk space and ask for an external hard drive to be plugged in to continue? If not, that’s a major screwup on MS’s part.

GreatAndPowerfulTech

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Fred

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What he said.  And it won’t work with a USB flash drive, it has to be an external usb hard drive.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Susan Bradley wrote:

And it won’t work with a USB flash drive, it has to be an external usb hard drive.

I don’t think that’s true:

You can temporarily gain extra space by using an external storage device like a USB drive, an SD card, or an external hard drive.
[Min. 10GB]
Free up space for Windows 10 updates

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Susan did a writeup on this earlier this year or late last year regarding the process.  At least in her system’s case it would not accept usb keys and demanded a full hard drive.

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Apparently this varies by Windows build or SSU…

… and whichever a device reports itself as, is not always apparent from the outside.

I *have* seen flash drives that report as HDDs. Sort of rare though.

(Oh and then I have one USB thing that takes a microSD and reports it as optical disk, but that’s read-only so no help here.)

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On the PC, there was downloaded app, I think its called “Windows 10 update assistant”.
You run this tool, then it checks your HW. Athe start of the process, there were three green ticks: including green tick in front of the HW. Dont know why it cant enumarate free space at the beginning. Download started.
Then, after I downloaded and started update itself, there was problem with the bluetooth driver during installation (once again, why it dindt notice when HW green tick was given at the very start? nevermind, I managed to solve this problem by installing correct driver).
So I gave it restart and went through the whole process again. After some time, error appeared, that PC have insufficient free space. But I plugged in external HDD (not flash disk, so I do not know if it works with flash disk) and installation wizard let me choose that external drive as extra space, that it needed to upgrade my ma’s PC. Now she is back on tracks with 1909 creating new exciting adventures in whatajong!

Dell Latitude 3420, Intel Core i7 @ 2.8 GHz, 16GB RAM, W10 22H2 Enterprise

HAL3000, AMD Athlon 200GE @ 3,4 GHz, 8GB RAM, Fedora 29

PRUSA i3 MK3S+

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I guess that moment has come when I should move from Windows 7 to Windows 10. After reading many, many posts over the past few months, there seems to be many opinions as to the best way to accomplish this. I have used Windows 7 for many years, but consider myself very much an amateur when it comes to the workings of the computer (I don’t really even know if I want to do a “clean install” or an “in-place upgrade, or if they are the same!). Therefore, could a detailed step-by-step process be provided for the easiest way to move from Windows 7 to Windows 10 while maintaining as “much of Windows 7” as is possible?  I would prefer, if possible,  not to reinstall drivers, etc. while maintaining the old look of Windows 7. I still have my Windows 7 Product key, so any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you ahead of time for any responses.

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There are already several topics on this subject.
You can start here. And here.

And probably the best way is to create your own topic under either Win7 Forum or Win10 Forum and ask your questions. Make the title explain you are looking to transition from Win7 to Win10 so you get the right help.

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