Patch Lady – I’m not worthy for 2004

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Lenovo ThinkPad laptop.  Thought I’d check to see if 2004 is being offered up.   I’m not worthy.  
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Thats to funny Susan. Guess i should have waited to see whether i would pass the test.

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That message is a great idea to explain that not everyone is offered an update and avoid confusing users.

Unfortunately I don’t get that message or an offer to update when I click check for updates. Goodness knows why or how exactly Microsoft’s update rollout works.

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I wouldnt suffer for this feature upgrade not being offered, to me it means that if I try to install it it will certainly mess my computer.

Just someone who don't want Windows to mess with its computer.

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LH

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Consider yourself lucky…I was able to download and begin to install 2004 on my HP.  It  stalled with a black screen the circle of white dots at a dead stop  (I call them “the dancing clowns”).  Fortunately I was able to power off-on and recover.  Keep smiling.

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I’m seeing the same message on 1903 Pro despite my deferral settings. Since feature update deferral was removed, I assume the setting is being retroactively ignored in earlier versions too.

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[WCHS]

Are you saying that the availability of Version 2004 removes any feature deferral that had been set prior to the availability of 2004?

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I don’t know. I will know for sure when the machine is deemed ready. If a “download and install” button appears despite deferral setting, then yes, that would mean it has ignored deferral. Instead, it could just keep showing this as long as deferral is blocking a feature update, letting me know about compatibility with 2004, and respect the deferral settings.

Still, it’s inappropriate to see a notice about 2004 because 1909 should be the next one getting installed when 1903 nears EOL as the deferral period ends.

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Wazhai wrote:

Since feature update deferral was removed,

What does this statement mean? Who/what removed the Feature Update deferral? You? the Updater? Something else?

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2004 Pro offers no working way to set feature update deferral like older versions do. The option was dropped by Microsoft in this version.

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woody

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Correct, but you should mention “in the User Interface.”

Apparently, the old Registry settings still work. And I’m trying to sort out what the various Profile options really do. (They’ve changed several times in the last two years.)

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So, are they still there in the registry settings? Or do you have to reset them there? And, when/if they are in the registry settings, one can suppose that they will work? If so, could we have instructions on how to check for them and/or reset them in the registry?

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[jayinalaska]

I’m on Win10 1909 and have had Feature deferral set to 90 days for a long time. I went into Windows Update and saw the following today:

But, I have no ability to install the Feature Update from this screen. For me, it’s purely informational. The “Learn More” button just opens a Microsoft web page. Technically, I guess that means Microsoft is honoring my deferral settings although I can’t say I’m happy for the advertising on my update screen.

 

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Wazhai wrote:

I’m seeing the same message on 1903 Pro despite my deferral settings

Microsoft probably checks first for compatibly and only after for deferrals.

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woody

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Alex5723 wrote:

Wazhai wrote:

I’m seeing the same message on 1903 Pro despite my deferral settings

Microsoft probably checks first for compatibly and only after for deferrals.

This was never there before for any previous version, as long as deferral was blocking said feature update, and this kind of notice for optional feature updates was added a while ago.

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A case where not being worthy might be a blessing.

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“Your device isn’t quite ready” should say “2004 isn’t ready for your device.”

Talk about putting the shoe on the wrong foot….

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It’s certainly an interesting turn of phrase. It’s probably the only way they could think of to externalize the blame… blame the PC for not being ready for this version of Windows, even though the PC is static and Windows is constantly changing. Kind of like saying Mars isn’t ready to be explored by astronauts yet! (Get with it, Mars!)

If MS had just had the message say that that 2004 is not ready for your PC yet, I don’t think people would think less of Windows or Microsoft.  It would be strange for someone to blame MS for releasing an unfinished product right after it got done telling them that they’re not releasing it for you yet because it’s not ready for your PC. I don’t know what the perceived harm would have been, but someone must have thought there would be some, since that message was obviously deliberately worded the way it was.

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Same for one of my two W10 laptops, Susan.
I’ts got Conexant Audio.

They are currently the only two I have deemed capable of running W10 without becoming a useless drag.

It was either the Lenovo X1 Carbon 2nd (2014) or the G580, cant remember which.

Oh well, with the current laundry list of bugs i should probably be happy that they do not try to tempt me.

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I would look at this as good news.
Imagine the horror if they just made it available to everyone at first launch.

Byte me!

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waynebialas wrote:

Consider yourself lucky…I was able to download and begin to install 2004 on my HP.  It  stalled with a black screen the circle of white dots at a dead stop  (I call them “the dancing clowns”).  Fortunately I was able to power off-on and recover.  Keep smiling.

I’m HP desktop BUT the unknown is How Long did you wait to bail on the revolving Dots; I’ve almost given up in the past BUT found the Update finally completed – You never know which outcome is coming, – Fail – or Success.

The Windows 10 May 2020 Update is on its way. We’re offering this update to compatible devices, but your device isn’t quite ready for it. Once your device is ready, you’ll see the update available on this page. There’s nothing you need to do at this time.

1st Time Ever I’ve Delayed to June 26; Above just appeared Today……

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Lenovo ThinkPad laptop. Thought I’d check to see if 2004 is being offered up. I’m not worthy.

So, did you click on “Check for Updates”, for this screen to show?
What version are you currently on?
And is anything showing under the ‘i’?
Do you have any Group Policy settings?

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I just went into windows update to check.  I do have a local group policy set to defer feature releases for 180 days.

On my surface device where I have no deferrals I don’t get anything offered up.  Let me remove the deferral and see if the message changes.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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I, too, have no update deferrals – and I DON’T see the notice.

There’s some weird logic going on behind the scenes. Any idea what?

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https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/win10-version-2004-is-here-but-surprise/#post-2267178

See my post at this location #2267178

I’m on Windows 10 Pro v 1909 with Group Policy update setting 2,  Feature update deferral 365 days.

Did nothing, just appeared on the Update screen sometime yesterday

All previous Advanced Setting appear to be intact – but with this addition to screen

 

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[tcc089]

My Toshiba Satellite isn’t worthy either, lol!  Its audio is Intel, but runs Conexant drivers.

Oh well, I guess they’ll tell us what needs to be done in order to make us “suitable customers”.  I just hope they don’t say “your problem, so just replace your audio hardware” … that’s kinda hard to do with a laptop (tongue-in-cheek).

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Tex265 wrote:

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/win10-version-2004-is-here-but-surprise/#post-2267178

See my post at this location #2267178

I’m on Windows 10 Pro v 1909 with Group Policy update setting 2,  Feature update deferral 365 days.

Did nothing, just appeared on the Update screen sometime yesterday

All previous Advanced Setting appear to be intact – but with this addition to screen

 

This Microsoft’s notice implies that even at the end of your deferral you won’t get 2004 feature update unless incompatibly is fixed.

You have several options (after creating a full image copy)

1. Download 2004 ISO and run the installer
2. Remove the incompatible drivers and let Windows install default drivers and check for updates
3. Wait for a fix.

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Alex5723 wrote:

This Microsoft’s notice implies that even at the end of your deferral you won’t get 2004 feature update unless incompatibly is fixed.

You have several options (after creating a full image copy) 1. Download 2004 ISO and run the installer 2. Remove the incompatible drivers and let Windows install default drivers and check for updates 3. Wait for a fix.

I’m do not intend to obtain 2004 for a long time, so getting it is not my concern.

In the past, as long as you had Feature Update deferred in Advanced setting, you never even saw the separate Feature update to install link (I havent ever seen it show for 1809, 1903 or 1909). Now it just showed up without doing anything at all – no download button pressed.

Even so, how do you know the hold up is incompatible drivers – which ones?  The last 3 Feature updates I went through via Windows Updater, the WU always changed my drivers to what it wanted to use – even my Nvidia card drivers were changed.  So why would MS not be following that process for 2004?

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In my test pool there are several Lenovo Thinkpad Laptops, and all of them are showing that exact message.

 

Oddly, the Lenovo ThinkStation Towers are accepting the update this weekend.  As are my custom build machines.

 

~ Group "Weekend" ~

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Are there diagnostics to determine which drivers are problematic?

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woody wrote:

“Your device isn’t quite ready” should say “2004 isn’t ready for your device.”

Talk about putting the shoe on the wrong foot….

Exactly, Woody.

Otherwise, you’d think MS would at least let you know exactly what it is that you need to do with your device so that it is “ready” for 2004.

Mind you, that might be tempting fate a little. “Buy a new device” comes to mind as a possible (MS) “solution”.

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Same here, HP Omen Laptop 15-dc1xxx, Windows 1909 home version 18383.778,

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I’m on 10/1809 Home on a laptop and I’m just waiting for DEFCON3/Above(May 2020 patches) so will I get 10/2004 even offered or forced installed on that laptop if I just want to install May 2020’s patches(After DEFCON3/Above) and keep using 10/1809 until Nov 2020?

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v2004 should only be offered in the “Download and install now” optional section below the “Check for updates” button. If you don’t want it, don’t click on that link.

It should only install the updates listed in the normal Windows Update queue.

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PK,

Not necessarily so. I just tried again on my restored 1909 test system. I first changed the deferral (Pro Version) to 0 days, then clicked check for updates. It started downloading 2004 immediately!

HTH

May the Forces of good computing be with you!

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The user has Home and will not be changing the deferral  to 0 (doesn’t have) to invite update. Nor should they “check for updates.” They should be offered the May CU under normal circumstances.

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It started downloading 2004 immediately!

Is it possible it’s just going to download it and not install without asking? That’s how it works by default for normal updates, according to gpedit. Not sure about feature updates though.

For me, weirdly I don’t get an update or a message that I’m not worthy when checking for updates with no deferment set. I did find if I configured the group policy Windows Update For Business/Select the target Feature Update version and set it to 2004, the feature update started downloading immediately like you described.

But with no group policy set and no deferral, Windows Update doesn’t even acknowledge the existence of 2004 for some reason.

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[EP]

HAH!

I guess MS thinks that RetiredGeek’s computer is “worthy” of getting the 2004 feature update while a vast majority of us are not receiving 2004 thru WU yet

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Running a practically brand new machine that I just got the parts for earlier this month, an x570 board with a Ryzen 5 on it, Win10 Pro 1903, also getting this message, granted I don’t want to do the leap to 2004 either, but I find it strange.

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Tex265 wrote:

(I havent ever seen it show for 1809, 1903 or 1909).

Separate ‘Download and Install’ Feature Update entry is new since 1903.
Set ‘Notify don’t Download’ = 2 in GPEdit. Block drivers updates as well.

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jayinalaska wrote:

But, I have no ability to install the Feature Update from this screen.

Of course not. Your PC is incompatible and 2004 update is blocked due to one or more of the following Known issues :

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004

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Alex5723 wrote:

Of course not. Your PC is incompatible and 2004 update is blocked due to one or more of the following Known issues :

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004

These appear to be issues with Windows 2004 after installation, not what prevents installation.

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I installed v2004 on one of my Win10 Pro VMs yesterday. Results are here #2267366.

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This discussion piqued my interest, so I booted Windows 10 on my G3 and unblocked updates to see if it would offer 2004 to me.

My Windows 10 was on 1809, and it had to install a bunch of updates before offering 1909. After that, still more updates, but no 2004 so far.  I had to free up some space to make the update work, and after that, and about five reboots, and all kinds of time staring at the blue updating screen, it finally finished. I can only imagine how long it would take without a NVMe SSD!

Between all of the reboots (each of which required user interaction, as I have to type in the password to unlock the encrypted SSD each time) and the time during each boot-up, where it was updating after booting but before the GUI appeared, that would have been a considerable amount of down time that doesn’t seem necessary. I know it’s been talked about a lot, but it’s not something I’ve seen very much. In Linux (the Ubuntu-based ones, at least), all of the updating (including distro version upgrades) takes place in the background while you are able to do other stuff, and when it’s done, reboot whenever you feel like it, and it boots up at full speed without having a “do not turn off your computer” screen… just boots up and there’s your updated Linux, same as any other boot.  Surely Windows can achieve that!

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Tex265 wrote:

Alex5723 wrote:

Of course not. Your PC is incompatible and 2004 update is blocked due to one or more of the following Known issues :

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-2004

These appear to be issues with Windows 2004 after installation, not what prevents installation.

Yes they do. If you have the specified hardware, drivers, services… that cause an issue on the list your PC is blocked from getting 2004 until you fix it.

Microsoft doesn’t stop you from downloading 2004 ISO and installing manually. Microsoft just blocked Windows Update process of installing 2004.

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[EP]

tcc089 wrote:

My Toshiba Satellite isn’t worthy either, lol! Its audio is Intel, but runs Conexant drivers.

Oh well, I guess they’ll tell us what needs to be done in order to make us “suitable customers”. I just hope they don’t say “your problem, so just replace your audio hardware” … that’s kinda hard to do with a laptop (tongue-in-cheek).

what model is your Toshiba laptop, tonyc035?

my dad’s Toshiba Satellite C55Dt-A laptop (a late 2013 model that used to run Win8.1 Home and now has Win10 Home v1909) still has not received any notice about the 2004 feature update. I’ve checked for updates several times since the evening of May 27 and it still has not shown up at all.
No Download and Install option for 2004 – no nothing.

maybe it’s a good thing.
btw, the Toshiba C55Dt-A laptop PC uses Realtek HD Audio drivers instead of Conexant HD audio drivers

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If you want v2004, try something off-the-wall. See #2267490.
Let me know if it works.

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nah that’s ok. better for me to wait for 2004 anyway for either several weeks or a month (or two) to become available thru WU
I recently gave up checking for 2004 thru WU – so again I’ll wait

and this recent article from Softpedia news titled “Why Windows 10 May 2020 Update Not Available On Day One Is Actually a Good Thing” just says it all:
https://news.softpedia.com/news/why-windows-10-may-2020-update-not-available-on-day-one-is-actually-a-good-thing-530150.shtml

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Hi EP,

 

My Toshiba laptop is a Satellite P55W-B5224 purchased in late 2014, now running Win 10 Home 1909.  I’m not too worried if I cannot get the 2004 Feature Update as long as I keep getting patches for a few years more … we’ll see what MS do after the hundreds (thousands) of end-users complain about their software not being ready for our hardware (not the other way round as Woody noted!)

 

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EP wrote:

and this recent article from Softpedia news titled “Why Windows 10 May 2020 Update Not Available On Day One Is Actually a Good Thing” just says it all:

This is really lot of b****t

“And second of all, if you think that Surface PCs should always be the first to get major feature updates like the May 2020 Update, that’s not exactly the best approach anyway. And this is because the Microsoft Surface should provide you only with flawless performance, especially because it’s a first-party premium device that spearheads Microsoft’s push in the hardware market”

Tell that to Google’s Pixel users who get OS and Security updates on day 1.

Tell the to Apple’s Billion iOS/Mac users who get OS and security updates on day 1 no matter were the are….

Surface users should too get Windows OS and security updates in day 1.

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Alex5723 wrote:

Surface users should too get Windows OS and security updates in day 1.

Most of them did (like me).

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Hi Susan –

I too have gotten this message on my Lenovo YOGA laptop with Windows 10 Home Edition (18363.836).  Have you found more information regarding this message?  Any idea at all about what it might mean?

Thanks for your time and effort in keeping the Windows community of users aware and up-to-date.

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Is this the “you are not ready” message?

cheers, Paul

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[EP]

try again today e_belmont & see what happens

seems that NOW MS made my dad’s Toshiba 2013 laptop worthy of receiving 2004 with the Download & Install option available after checking for updates recently (and un-pausing updates). MS had to make adjustments to their Windows Update “AI” (artificial intelligence) this week to issue v2004 for more qualified machines

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Around six days ago I activated check for updates and it immediately started to download win 10-2004-pro. It took a little over an hour to download and install it. So far everything seems to be working okay. The computer is eight years old and I did replace the Intel 256 GB SSD with an Intel 480 GB, 730 series SSD five years ago. That is the only modification I made. I believe this computer started our win 8 and has been updated to the 2004 version, I hope you al have as much luck as I have with mine.

Be safe out there.

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You clicked Check for updates, and immediately got upgraded to 2004?

Could you post details – including which version you were running and whether you had Pause updates turned on – over here:

https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/further-evidence-of-forced-upgrade-to-win10-version-2004-possibly-due-to-a-pause-updates-bug

Thanks!

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it seems to happening with the Pro or higher edition and not with Home
I can’t reproduce the “2004 forced upgrade” on a Win10 Home edition system

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Hey there, Lenovo Think Pad T470 and the same here..

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July 6th here.

Still “not ready,” apparently.

 

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