Patch Lady – asking for your feedback on Windows 10

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For those of you that are users and consumers of Windows 10 – that is you have one or more computers, you have a home network, and you are NOT a corpo
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Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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I liked it when they first released it to everyone in July, 2015. However over time it’s seemed like Microsoft is really only interested in busineeses way more than consumers.

I’ve also noticed after the first 6 month Windows 10 Update that since the Anniversarry Update and until present Microsoft is more interested in new features that are buggy and with not fixing previous bugs first, before giving us all more.

Now the next thing at Build 2018 that they talked about was Microsoft 365. All Microsft 365 is, is a yearly Windows & Office Subscription.

It also is looking like with that subscription, that they’re gonna want all our personal files (Documents, Downloads, Music, Pictures, Videos, etc. on One Drive only and not on our device and us needing constant internet access to have access to everything).

Sorry Microsoft, but no thank you.

I only want backups of certain stuff of mine online and for full online backups, it sure won’t be One Drive that’s used, as it’s a pain in the ass as we need to manually upload each file, whereas real online backup services are set it and and for get it, as it automatically backs everything you’ve chosen without any hassles.

To me that’s way superior than One Drive will ever be.

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I have several computers running on Windows 7 but I decided to install Windows 10 on a Sandy Bridge Laptop. I previously used Windows 10 but I got tired of the lack of control and updating so I rolled all my units back to Windows 7.

I thought I should give Windows 10 another try to see how things had developed. I wasn’t using it as my daily driver but I would start it regularly to just monitor my experience.

I remember starting it after about a week being off and I searched for updates. I wasn’t on a fast connection and it was struggling to download updates. When I looked closer at this I saw it was uploading huge amounts but not downloading probably due to my slower connection. I went into the Advanced Options and corrected this and then it updated and seemed fine.

This obviously annoyed me but I just thought OK and moved on. Later I went on a holiday overseas for 2 months and checked for updates before I left and prepared the laptop ready for my return.

I use threshold charging to maximise my battery use and left the laptop with about 60% charge.

When I returned from my holidays I was  dismayed to find my battery on 0% and the battery wouldn’t charge and it was effectively dead. This wasn’t an old battery which was on its last legs but if you run your battery down completely and below 0% it can happen. When I started the laptop it seemed to be fairly well updated as though it hadn’t been off for 2 months.

I assume the laptop started when I was away and ran down the battery effectively killing the battery which are over $100 to replace. This was the last straw for me and I haven’t started this laptop since. OK I should have removed the battery before I went overseas but checking online this seems to be an issue with Windows 10.

I will stay on Windows 7 now on all my other machines even after EOL

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@anonymous thx for sharing your woes. I found it illuminating and a new Ave. of thought. Slapped an SSD in a 3 years old HP laptop here and everything went fine for about 2 Months Battery etc then left it for about 2-3 weeks and same thing came up with a Dead Battery and wouldn’t accept a charge at all. Its not my first time “under the Hood” with Laptops and Desktops and all things related electronic etc so I was puzzled. Last thing to consider was the OS its self (Win10 1709) although the first and obvious thing to do was tweak the OS to see if that would bring the thing back to life plus a few firmware solutions re-seating battery, cracking the top again for loose connections, chaffed Ribbon cables etc nothing 🙁 well it’ll give me something to try rather than “shell out” for a new Battery, which I was reluctant to do lest there be a dead short in the charging circuit on the Mother Board. Alas its my travelling companion and its a pain to take on a Plane if it wont “fire up” from Battery at security, and I do travel regularly alas.
As for the shear dearth of Data being sent who knows where I am currently investigating just where all this data is going as on an unrelated issue I delved in to data usage and was fairly dismayed, I knew Win10 was heavy on Telemetry and Data usage, but not that heavy. Thx for giving me “food for thought” i’ll post back if I get any traction on the Battery issue and/or Data usage so stay tuned to these pages 😉
PS thx once again for the survey @Susan I guess I cant contribute again but I really have fairly similar needs at Home so it was covered in the Corp Survey thx for taking the time for this though 🙂

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Cybertooth

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Anonymous,

Running the battery down all the way once should not destroy it.  It’s not good for the battery to do it all the time, but I’ve had many devices with lithium-ion batteries that I’ve run down to zero (my “feature” phone has probably had this happen a hundred times in the 8+ years I have owned it, literally, and it still holds a charge for about a week), including all of my laptops, and not once have I had one end up with a battery that won’t charge at all.

Running the battery down to nothing is part of the calibration feature that many laptops have in the BIOS/UEFI… it’s necessary to drain the battery completely to really get a measure of how much charge is in there.  Calibrating the battery is the fix for inaccurate charging information within the OS.  It will hasten the unavoidable aging of the battery (where it loses more and more of its full capacity over time) to run the battery down all the time, but it wouldn’t destroy it in a single incident.

I would suspect that what happened in your case was that there was a defect in the laptop’s battery, where it was going to fail no matter what, and this just precipitated it.

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Yes, for all I know, batteries are not what they used to be anymore.

Some of the best were made at Fukushima, and those plants are gone for years.

Also, computers are now much cheaper that what they used to be. They have become a consumer product and one can think that this can be some sort of planned obsolesce. This includes cheaper batteries and as you know it, you get what you pay for.

I remember having a Pentium 4 that by ignorance I used to let the LiOn battery die like if it were a NiCd. In fact, after dying I would turn the PC back on and the battery would juice if for some more moments and there die again. Yet again I’d turn it back on to the point it went into some trap mode where it would just power the fan on at map RPM and nothing else. And I would do this again and again until the battery was in an absolute coma.

I would do this constantly and the battery lasted for 13 or 14 years. The PC died old but the battery still live, I gave it to a friend who broke it open and uses the individual cells on a flash light. I gave him all my old batteries and this suffered one isn’t benchmarking and performing worse than all the others.

So I assume new batteries just have a bad quality and most probably not top quality materials (purer chemical elements are more expensive), and it can reveal itself on these kinds of scenario.

… and then you buy a new laptop. Rinse and repeat. Micro$oft will thank you for paying the Window$ 10’s licence and PC sales will still be up on some pretty corporate graph.

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Susan.

I am curious why you have included “you have a home network” as a requirement for a contributor to this thread. Do most W10 non-corporate/business “users or consumers” have a “home network”? Seems unlikely. Surely most will just connect directly to the internet via the modem/router suplied by their ISP?

Are there specific issues with W10 and “home networks” which you are trying to tease out here? Do you have a particular interest or issue with W10 in “home networks”?

Just curious!

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anonymous wrote:

I am curious why you have included “you have a home network” as a requirement for a contributor to this thread.

I suspect the reference to “home network” is to differentiate it from business/corporate networks for the survey (but I may be wrong).

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I think Kirsty’s right – the distinction is between corporate networks (domains) on the one hand, and peer-to-peer networks (“home” networks) on the other. If you don’t have a local network and only connect to the internet directly, you should take the second survey.

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Sorry if my wording is confusing.  I’m trying to capture the difference between the IT pro patcher (consultant, admin for a firm) and the consumer/home user.  Some of you may (and do) have more computers than a consultant may have.  Some of you have complex home networks.  (p.s. I changed it to “or” to be a bit more clearer of my intent, hope that helps)

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Jan K.

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If you have a modem/router installed at home, that is your home network.  🙂

Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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columbia2011

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Not necessary, I would say Woody’s definition building on Kirsty’s is very clear in relation to Susan’s (good) intentions.

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Could you explain more clearly how a router is not the definition of a network?
Admittedly, many locations have a network with only one connection on the internal side of the wall. So that is not much of a “net”work. But it still utilizes networking functions. And when trouble arises, requires correcting network settings.

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Thank you for posting this survey, Susan.

I didn’t realize just how deeply dissatisfied I have become with Windows and Windows  updates over the past couple of years until I answered your questions.

I’ve recently switched two older devices from Windows 10 to Windows 8.1 and CloudReady because of update issues, leaving just my newest laptop on Windows 10.

(I also have Windows 7 and 8.1 desktops which I use as my primary computers and will continue to do so until they no longer function, and my wife is loving computing again with the brand new Chromebook I bought her 3 weeks ago.)

After completing your survey, and thinking long and hard about the answers I gave, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s time to abandon Windows 10 entirely.

Later today, when I’m fully awake (it’s just after 4 AM here in Toronto), I will be making two separate, final, archival drive images of my W10 laptop, and then I’m going to install Linux Mint and finally begin my next era of computing.

Should I ever find I really need Windows 10 for something, it’ll go into a VM and remain disconnected from the Internet.

Thanks for helping me finalize this decision.

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Hey, I’m just some anonymous so I can’t thank you for your post, but I kudos you for your clarity and decision to drop down Windows 10.

If something happens to your Windows VM, snapshots will make a rollback quick n’easy and in a worst case scenario (of you exported your VM) restoring it back online would be fast and easy too.

Don’t forget you have a good forum too should you need some help!

I think you’ll be very happy in MintLand!

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I kind of wrote “No ads” as a suggestion for making W10 and just came across this:

Fractal Design Pop Air * Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 750W * ASUS TUF GAMING B560M-PLUS * Intel Core i9-11900K * 4 x 8 GB G.Skill Aegis DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 * ASRock RX 6800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC * XPG GAMMIX S70 BLADE 1TB * SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB * Samsung EVO 840 250GB * DVD RW Lite-ON iHAS 124 * Windows 10 Pro 22H2 64-bit Insider * Windows 11 Pro Beta Insider

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FakeNinja

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I have been running Windows 10 Pro for two years as my daily driver, and it is the best OS I have ever used.

But the frequent feature update system is aggravating.  We don’t need them.  This is a mature OS, and it doesn’t need any new features.  MS please just focus on stability and security fixes, and leave it alone!!!

Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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Goooood luck with that………….

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Rick Corbett

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Even though I’m on Windows 8.1, I took your survey anyway; qualifying when necessary. The 1st question was general enough, going from Win7 to Win10. The rest were Win10 specific except for the last. The last made my point: If monthly patching comes without bugs or fewer of them that need to be fixed, and if version changes can be controlled as advertised, NOT overridden when Microsoft chooses, then I will upgrade to Win10 & probably pay for Pro.

Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
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Thanks for the survey Susan, it gave me a place to vent. I still use W7 Pro as a daily computer and I only turn on my W7 to W10 HP laptop about once a week because I’m afraid that a new update will make it unusable as I dodge the feature updates as much as I can. The 1703 to 1709 got me by surprise and although I have had no problems with it, I really want to hold off of 1803 as long as possible especially with the reports of Networking problems.

I’m already looking at Linux videos to see if I can figure it out and if it would be applicable for me. I’m really getting tired of the MS updating policy or the lack thereof. It causes more problems than it fixes.

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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I don’t know about other Linux flavors, but if you like the look of Windows 7, you can try Kubuntu which has some themes available featuring the Vista/7 window control buttons and Aero Glass-type translucent window edges.

My office transition to Kubuntu is almost complete and the next new work project I start will be on Kubuntu from start to finish.

 

Keep Running Windows 7 Safely for Years to Come  
Make Windows 10 look and work like Windows 7

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I just watched a Joe Collins video on installing Linux Mint 18.2. It looks interesting since I am a complete novice and it comes with a number of software programs.

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does 🙂
All W10 Pro at 22H2,(2 Desktops, 1 Laptop).

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I’ve rolled back to Windows 7 or installed Linux Mint Cinnamon on all but one tower PC and one (dual boot) laptop. I also bought a second-hand MacBook Pro to familiarise myself whilst I make the decision between which OS to use on a daily basis (Win 7, macOS High Sierra or Linux Mint Cinnamon).

Whilst I’ll still keep a Win 10 VM (which has 3 snapshot states – 1703, 1709 and 1803) in order to assist others, I’ve thrown in the towel using Win 10 day-to-day on my main PC. Too much network I/O traffic, never knowing why CPU usage or disk usage has suddenly spiked whilst I’m using it, MS ignoring MY preferences and never certain when I’m going to wake up to a new upgrade despite my efforts to curtail unexpected MS intrusions.

As we consumers now appear to be the enemy that MS fight against, it’s time to withdraw from the battlefield quietly and let you hardier types soldier on.

Microsoft – You may have won a few short-term battles… but I believe that you’ve already lost the war by alienating your previous supporters.

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It is done Susan.

Be advised, my responses are very BLUNT!

Thank You

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Good survey, I did not post any answers as I do not use 10 at all. With MS’ monkeying around I keep Windows offline on the 2 it is installed on (both dual boots for the spouse) for a couple of elderly programs that she likes.

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Patch Lady, who at Microsoft will be receiving the survey results – someone in the “Experiences & Devices” division perhaps?

Since the last re=org, the Windows platform has many masters. Bits here, bits there, bits everywhere.

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Susan, do you think that MS will listen? Do they care about customers’ concerns?

MS employees will be saying “NO NO NO NO …” and putting fingers in ears as customer is expressing concern.

MS has lost focus of the customers many years ago. They do not care one bit any more and do what ever they want to keep themselves busy with useless features that requires little work on their part. Nothing will change the mind set unless Bill Gates comes back and refreshed the whole group by firing all that are bring down the quality of work.

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I agree with this post. I have been using Win 10 Pro from version 1511 to my current 1709. I am doing my best to avoid 1803 for preferably 4 to 6 months until it gets as stable as 1709 now is. I do not like the “Feature Upgrades”.  Most of these new ‘Features’ are not what I need or want. I would prefer a Stable and Reliable Operating System with NO bugs coming in Updates. I think all these ‘Features’ should be “Optional”  Apps, Programs, separate downloads for those users that want them.  Most of this new stuff is just “Bloatware” !  –  imho.

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I just finished the survey. I use Win 7 Pro, but I wanted to get my concerns about Microsoft patches in. I have lost faith with Microsoft and its engineers. I will keep my computer until 2020, when Microsoft suspends support for Win 7. After that, I’ll be looking at a different operating system assuming Microsoft hasn’t changed its present philosophy.

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Filling the survey, I thought Microsoft might just think, well, this is just not the customer we want. We can’t compromise that much on our plan.

Dedoimedo sums all this up with so much humor:

https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-10-update-1804.html

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Microsoft already knows what consumers think of W10 and WaaS. There is nothing new that any of us can add. So far, that is since 2015, they have chosen not to listen to their customers even though the complaints have been numerous.

What will be their response when they receive this survey?

1. gee thanks, we’ll get right on it
2. bomb-fire, where’s the marshmallows
3. send it to PR – boilerplate response in the mail
4. 700 million and soon 1 billion – we got this

You have good intentions, but I strongly believe you are wasting your time. My money is on #3.

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My only hope is that the WinXP patent runs out and somebody will build on that to give us an alternative to Microsoft. Never again Windows 10…

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