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.So on both a Surface Go and a Lenovo laptop after the install of optional, not security .NET KB4537572 on Windows 10 1909 I got a “pop” of the screen
[See the full post at: Patch Lady – after .NET I get this?]
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
Yeah, once I un-paused updates and installed the latest lot yesterday got this after reboot and logging in as well – and twice, on two separate user’s account on the same PC.
‘Skip’ is the way forward, obviously – and I cannot help but wonder what Microsoft will make out of the users’ responses as none of this is of any genuine value…
“none of this is of any genuine value…”
… from the perspective of an experienced user who’s seen it all before. However, Microsoft would see it as having advertising value. Who knows, maybe one in a billion people actually find it useful.
All of it is about adopting always connected Microsoft services, that move to the cloud… using biotechnic facial recognition (Windows Hello), linking and syncing all your devices, renting Office 365, and using OneCloud. It is a ‘helpful’ reminder to move users towards subscribing… full page… in your face. It does have a ‘skip’ button, but by then you’ve skimmed through what they are advertising to find it. And… I wasn’t looking for this information. I don’t want or need it.
Like you, I was quickly able to skip to what I really wanted to do… once I figured out what it was.
Wish they provided that kind of help for those who want to avoid cloud services, and stay local and private on their computer… 🙂
Still waiting for the telemetry off button…
Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter
It is a ‘helpful’ reminder to move users towards subscribing…
Four out of five services being offered are totally free. Only “premium” Office apps require a subscription.
And yet in today’s increasingly colloquial use of language, it is becoming more common to see phrases such as “subscribe to our free newsletter”.
While I hesitate to speak for other people, I think perhaps that Elly’s point is to make both “subscribing” and “non-subscribing” equally easy and transparent processes.
Exactly…
And don’t put it in my face, or in notifications, when I have ‘suggestions’ turned off.
Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter
Good point, but I think it must be the option just above that at Settings, System, Notifications & actions:
“Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what’s new and suggested”
How to Turn On or Off the Windows Welcome Experience in Windows 10 (since version 1703 apparently)
(I just made sure mine was checked, because I like free offers. But Elly would want to uncheck that option.)
… and it was already turned off (not just me thinking I had, did a double check).
Non-techy Win 10 Pro and Linux Mint experimenter
Saw that before also a couple of times, Microsoft started pushing to a MS-account harder. Bad development, soon we will have no choice anymore. That’ll be the moment the last Windows-pc will be shutdown forever here.
On a side note: did you also notice that there seems to be a seperate patch round for those annoying .NET-updates? I get them outside the regular monthly patch round lately, requiring an extra time consuming restart 🙁
I agree with your first paragraph 100%. I first got that screen sometime about a month ago upon boot-up and before the desktop screen, and then again just a couple of days ago, not particularly in response to any installed updates. Both times I just hit the skip for now button. I am assuming that I got that screen due to the fact that I do not have a Microsoft account nor a Microsoft ID. I just boot my HP Omen laptop directly to the desktop with a local administrator log on with no password, since I live alone and have no visitors, guests, and my laptop never leaves my apartment. It concerns me that Microsoft launches that screen BEFORE finishing the boot to the desktop, forcing me to respond to it before giving me access to my computer that I paid a thousand dollars for. I have a bootable Linux Mint installation USB thumb drive ready and waiting for the day that screen appears without the option to skip it and proceed to the desktop screen. Microsoft needs to remember that this is America, not some dictatorship or oligarchy.
“none of this is of any genuine value…”
… from the perspective of an experienced user who’s seen it all before. However, Microsoft would see it as having advertising value. Who knows, maybe one in a billion people actually find it useful.
As I outlined the experience Barb Bowman made a year ago. She had Windows Helo and also Office on a surface and got offered that bull**** ad in a Windows Insider Preview. Barb has mentioned at that time on Twitter – and got a reply from Jen Gentleman (MSFT) that it has been introduced internally within some previous Insider Previews.
It’s senseless, it’s clue less, it’s bull**** nobody like to see – but Redmond don’t care. They don’t hesitate to advertise their broken Eco system called Windows 10. Imho.
See the whole story at:
Windows 10 V1903/1909: Nag Screen ‘Let’s make Windows even better …’
and my thoughts about:
The homemade structural IT crisis
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… none of this is of any genuine value…
Value is in the eye of the beholder, Shirley?.
Who knows, maybe one in a billion people actually find it useful.
That must be me!
And don’t call me Shirley 😉
But seriously, let’s dissect all these:
1. Windows Hello – well, my SONY Xperia Z on some Android OS was capable of doing the same back in 2012. That’s 8 years soon. Hardly innovative.
And no, don’t need that gimmick, especially on a home PC.
2. Link your phone :@ PC – my PowerBook was capable of doing the same back in 2005 if memory serves. That’s 15 years soon. Hardly innovative either.
And no, don’t need that gimmick as well.
3. Pick up where you left… – and pray: why would I ever need to do that? Sounds messy to me when sync goes wrong (and it inevitably one day will – as my experiences with Garmin devices prove it)
4.Office 365 – thanks, but no: thanks. I am not going to indefinitely and recurrently pay for something I should be able to buy and pay once for (or was able to as this no longer is an option). Also, latest Office 365 does not offer anything new than Office 2003 or 2007 Suites had on offer.
5. OneDrive Cloud protection – where do I begin? If it needs to be safe, it needs to be stored off-line. Also, others do this as well – and FoC – and for quite some time either.
Office 365 (Outlook) as an online service of course.
Few examples
Most recent attack (not only O365), FBI investigates
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Office 365 (Outlook) as an online service of course.
Few examples
Most recent attack (not only O365), FBI investigatesand another one
and another one
Of course! But those are all phishing attacks started with an email where the user has to click a link and give away their username and password. Hardly unique to Outlook and possible to prevent with security settings or user training (although Office 365 is frequently targeted because it’s commonly used). But not really attacks against the actual service or cloud data, and requires an inattentive user.
You did say, “constantly under attack of hackers” so I was anticipating something little more exotic than typical spam.
But seriously, let’s dissect all these:
1. Windows Hello – well, my SONY Xperia Z on some Android OS was capable of doing the same back in 2012. That’s 8 years soon. Hardly innovative.
And no, don’t need that gimmick, especially on a home PC.
It’s not a gimmick, even for home users:
“Windows Hello solves a few problems: security and inconvenience,”
What is Windows Hello? Microsoft’s biometrics security system explained [Computerworld]
2. Link your phone :@ PC – my PowerBook was capable of doing the same back in 2005 if memory serves. That’s 15 years soon. Hardly innovative either.
And no, don’t need that gimmick as well.
Some find it very convenient to phone and text while at their PC:
Why Android Users Need Windows 10’s “Your Phone” App [How-To Geek]
3. Pick up where you left… – and pray: why would I ever need to do that? Sounds messy to me when sync goes wrong (and it inevitably one day will – as my experiences with Garmin devices prove it)
Very useful to people who may switch computers several times each day:
(I don’t think the sync fails much, and certainly not in a messy way.)
Windows 10 Timeline: How to use Microsoft’s new organizational tool [PCWorld]
4.Office 365 – thanks, but no: thanks. I am not going to indefinitely and recurrently pay for something I should be able to buy and pay once for (or was able to as this no longer is an option). Also, latest Office 365 does not offer anything new than Office 2003 or 2007 Suites had on offer.
You can still buy Office 2019 if you never want any new features; but Office 365 has literally hundreds of useful new features over those decades-old versions, with updates each month or year:
Office 2019 vs. Office 365: Which should you buy? [Windows Central]
5. OneDrive Cloud protection – where do I begin? If it needs to be safe, it needs to be stored off-line. Also, others do this as well – and FoC – and for quite some time either.
OneDrive is also free of charge and highly secure:
You put very good observations here. But microsoft must remain in this path, not abbandon these points and maintain them well. I tried new features (picture log in, Windows Hello, OneDrive, phone sync), but I dont use them, they are not useful for me.
Not saying that someone can find them usefull.
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