MICROSOFT 365 By Peter Deegan It’s been a big year for the new Outlook for Windows. Microsoft has removed the “preview” tag and is pushing it hard. Bu
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Also, “new” Outlook does not support the Outlook Object Model. So existing COM and VSTO add-ins cannot be used and the app cannot be automated programmatically or through scripting. Only web add-ins are available. Looks like a step backwards to me.
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The GPO setting “Admin-Controlled Migration to New Outlook” can be found under:
User Configuration\ Administrative Templates\ Microsoft Outlook 2016\ Outlook Options\ Other\
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Classic or Real Outlook for Windows will maintain support until at least 2029 according to Microsoft for Microsoft 365 and Office 2024.
That won’t stop Microsoft ‘encouraging’ people to move before then.
It’s quite possible that non-paying users (e.g. those using Outlook (new) as part of Windows 11) will start seeing ads — though Microsoft hasn’t indicated any move to do so..
I doubt they’d try to include ads in Outlook (new) that comes with M365 or Office.
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Thanks for that info, including links. I fear we’re at cross-purposes.
There’s the Outlook (new) software which can be linked to, but is separate from, an Outlook.com mailbox (free or premium).
The Microsoft.com links refer to the Outlook.com mailbox generally — most importantly the web interface which certainly includes ads.
The forum contributor was asking about ads in the Outlook (new) software and that’s what I was addressing.
I have a test machine with Outlook (new) on Windows 11 linked to a free Outlook.com mailbox. I’ve NOT seen ads in the Outlook (new) software … yet. The same mailbox viewed in a web page does show ads.
As I said before, I’d not be surprised if that changes.
The underlying recommendation remains, stick with classic Outlook which doesn’t show ads for any mailbox.
Peter Deegan
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The Microsoft.com links refer to the Outlook.com mailbox generally — most importantly the web interface which certainly includes ads.
It does not. It’s specifically about the Outlook app.
Advertisements in the free New Outlook are also documented on other Microsoft pages:
Will the new Outlook for Windows have ads?
As is the case for all Outlook experiences today, paid customers won’t receive ads when signed into Outlook. These include customers using Outlook with a Microsoft 365 account provided by their company, school, or organization, or those who have a Microsoft 365 Basic, Personal, or Family subscription.
The new Outlook for Windows also provides a free, ad-supported version for customers who don’t have a paid subscription. If you use a free email service such as Outlook.com, Hotmail, or Gmail without a Microsoft 365 subscription, you’ll see ads in the new Outlook for Windows.
If you prefer not to see ads, you may purchase a Microsoft 365 subscription to remove any advertising served by Microsoft.
What types of ads will be featured in the new Outlook for Windows?
If you have a free account, you’ll see ads in your inbox, clearly marked with an ad label to distinguish them from other emails. These ads will look identical to what users see today in Outlook for the web, iOS, and Android. The ads will appear at the top of your inbox and can be deleted.
It is a free, ad-supported version for customers who don’t have a paid subscription. If you use a free email service such as Outlook.com, Hotmail, or Gmail without a Microsoft 365 subscription, you’ll see ads in the new Outlook for Windows.
For an ad-free experience and expanded mailbox storage, you may purchase a Microsoft 365 Basic, Personal, or Family subscription to remove any advertising served by Microsoft.
Outlook for Windows — Microsoft Store — Description — Read more
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Any vendor that does not release a new version that is comparable with their old version has lost their focus and is not listening to their customers.
Peter is an expert in this area and does not need to be “quoted” back to. Please respect the author’s time and energy.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
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Everyone on the Internet needs to be respectful. And yes that recommendation IS relevant to everyone.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
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Any vendor that does not release a new version that is comparable with their old version has lost their focus and is not listening to their customers.
And you managed to form that entire thought without saying “Microsoft”! 😉
I wonder if this thought has NEVER applied to Microsoft.
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Outlook(new) doesn’t handle Categories well either.
There’s no way to delete a Category (and yes, I’ve tried removing all members of that category and then attempting deletion) —it simply doesn’t work. The Manage Categories option in Setting>Accounts, which seems to only apply to Calendar, doesn’t align with those in Contacts or Email. It’s just a mess and annoying!
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Microsoft’s marketing loves recycling product names, but none so much as “Outlook”. I remember the years when there was “Outlook”, the component bundled with Office, and “Outlook Express”, a mail client that was bundled with Windows 98 and essentially an implementation of Internet Explorer, but where the two products were pretty much unrelated except for the (deliberately) confusing name.
Now we have a bunch more, depending on whether you’re using what is bundled with Windows (old and new) or bundled with Microsoft 365. Plus, the fact that Microsoft has, yet again, re-branded all its mail services, where they’re no longer promoting Hotmail, Live, MSN, but doing everything under the Outlook name (both in consumer and business space), and blurring the difference between the user-facing client and the service. In the latter case, not really different than the difference between Gmail as a service and Gmail as an app (at least on Android phones), where the app can be used with other services, not exclusively the Gmail service.
Other Microsoft products that may be equally confusing (especially functional differences between free and paid versions, and how delivered) include OneDrive, OneNote and Teams, as well as Messenger, Groove, and far more.
As for Outlook, I find that I generally like the version bundled with Office, and mostly acceptable when I had to move to the Microsoft 365 version, at least for the calendar handling. Even without interaction with a server, the calendar portion of Outlook works well. On the other hand, I loathe Outlook as an email client. There is too much where the user interaction presumes that the user conforms to Microsoft’s expectations and stereotypes of work flow (including close integration with other Microsoft products), especially in trying too hard to obscure the underlying operation of mail (presumably because it’s “user unfriendly”), but making important detail (such as a true email address, rather than a display name) nearly impossible to get to.
But then again, that may not be entirely different from Word’s insistence on anticipating what the user is trying to do, and then making it very difficult to override.
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https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/new-outlook-whether-you-like-it-or-not/#post-2718811
There’s the registry key that will work as well.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
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I’ve used Microsoft Classic for years but I recently had to abandon to Microsoft’s requirement that authentication must now use OAUTH2 instead of one’s ID and Password. My situation involves the use of multiple email accounts and when I tried to manually reconfigure my server settings I found out that even though Microsoft now requires OAuth2, you cannot manually configure Outlook Classic to use it as the only option available to use is your ID and Password. I then tried to setup Outlook with a Unified Inbox but then found that Microsoft only supports unified inboxes if all of your accounts are Microsoft accounts. On the other hand Thunderbird and BetterBird which are both free easily allowed me to setup all of my accounts to use OAhth2. Granted there are some differences between Outlook Classic and BetterBird, which I’m now using, but after a few days the differences are hardly noticeable to me. It would be great if Ask Woody could write an article that goes into greater depth and comparison of features between Outlook Classic and BetterBird as it’s evident from the Microsoft Community Forum that hundreds of people are complaining about Microsoft’s inability to deal with multiple email accounts In Microsoft Classic and the fact that the New Outlook is a joke. My guess is that this is all part of Microsoft’s plan and that no feature update will be forthcoming.
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I still find it’s irritable having to use any Windows OS since July 2015 nevermind MS Outlook.
We had the perpetual office suite 2010 publisher etc..and still opted to use the simplicity of Outlook Express/ LiveMail from home. These were then retired in favour of Mozilla Thunderbird which, by all accounts, fills my home needs and comms.Overcomplicating simplicity is a trait from MS I do not need nor want these days. This just seems like another sandbagging exercise for redmond to exploit at the mercy of homeusers.
We just want to use a calendar, reminder, email in an uncomplicated manner.
MS has been in a lost translation for years as it has no ears.
They know that users have been reeled into their email client ecosystem and rather that learn anew, most just suffer/ put up with the consequences and carry on regardless.Windows - commercial by definition and now function...1 user thanked author for this post.
I still find it’s irritable having to use any Windows OS since July 2015 nevermind MS Outlook.
We had the perpetual office suite 2010 publisher etc..and still opted to use the simplicity of Outlook Express/ LiveMail from home. These were then retired in favour of Mozilla Thunderbird which, by all accounts, fills my home needs and comms.Overcomplicating simplicity is a trait from MS I do not need nor want these days. This just seems like another sandbagging exercise for redmond to exploit at the mercy of homeusers.
We just want to use a calendar, reminder, email in an uncomplicated manner.
MS has been in a lost translation for years as it has no ears.
They know that users have been reeled into their email client ecosystem and rather that learn anew, most just suffer/ put up with the consequences and carry on regardless.You mentioned that Thunderbird was meeting your home and comm needs and having been on BetterBird for about 5 days I would like to suggest you try it out. It’s pretty slick as you can run Betterbird and Thunderbird at the same time and switch back and forth between the two without loosing a message as they share the same data structure files. In my limited experience with BetterBird, I can say that I think BetterBird is better.
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Hey @MoonDoggy – Might you know whether it’s possible, or easy, or difficult to import .PST files and archives into BetterBird?
It seemed to me to be very easy. Since I started with Thunderbird I did it through that app but BetterBird’s menu looks identical so this should work:
Select tools from the options menu. Then, Select Import.
Import wizard imports your Address Books, Feed Subscriptions, Emails, & Settings. It is possible to import everything or select specific items. Select Next.
You will be required to pick Outlook as the file type to import. Press Next to proceed.
Press Finish. When Emails are successfully imported.
If you do a internet search on this topic you’ll find a lot of information and some of it’s a bit old but this is what worked for me and it pulled all of my email, and contacts over with zero flaws. My Outlook PST file was actually current and I think I told the Import Wizard to use the PST file from Outlook instead of a zip file. Although I’m not using Outlook anymore, it’s still installed as it’s a part of Microsoft 365 and I was still trying to figure out if I could setup a unified inbox.
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The rule configuration for inbound mail was very easy to setup and I personally think it is actually easier than Outlook Classic. Can’t help you on syncing your contacts as I’m an Android user and I don’t have a need to Sync them as the one on my phone is always considered my “official” contact list and what’s in Outlook was imported from my official list. As far as backup is concerned I would suppose you could do an export from Betterbird and save it where you want. I actually use a cloud backup tool to back up everything automatically and I also do differential backups to an external SSD frequently so my only data loss would be for 1 day. I would suppose you could do something with OneDrive as well but I’ve not tried to do so myself. There may be other ways to back up Thunderbird and BetterBird but I’ve been using my other backup solutions for years so it was easy for me to stick with what I have been using.
Also for any Android user Thunderbird bought out K-9 Mail. I have also used Aquamail and I believe they have a version that works with iPhones. Both were easy to manually configure using OAuth2 as I had to fix both of them when Microsoft would no longer authenticate with my ID and password.
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This afternoon I removed both “Outlook (new)” and “Microsoft 365” from my daily driver. Outlook 2019 still opens and ran fine.
Before:
After:
After restarting the machine Microsoft hesitated to let it start – by disingenuously mentioning that 365 was cleaning things up. I never had and don’t ever want 365.
I think the rest of the Office programs in my stand-alone, single-machine license of 2019 Office Home and Business will remain in good shape. I checked Word and Excel.
However, I disabled updates in the Office suite because I don’t want Microsoft again trying to sneak Microsoft 365 into an unnoticed back door:
Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster
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The ‘Microsoft 365’ label does sometimes appear for perpetual licence Office because they share a lot of common code / technology.
The labelling should be clearer but, as you’ve seen, sometimes isn’t. A product of Microsoft’s preference for Microsoft 365.
But please don’t be too concerned when “Microsoft 365” labels appear in error. It’s just a label not some sneaky attempt by Microsoft to put unwanted software on your computer.
What matters is the “Product Activated” line which in your case confirms a licence for Office 2019.
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There’s a sane, easy way to have BetterBird and iTunes (for an iPhone 7 Plus) synchronize my contacts, including phones, e-mails, and notes in the contacts, and
I don’t know if this either sane or easy or syncing, but it works to transfer contacts for many mail apps.
There is an old generic way to transfer contacts from one mail app to another mail app where each doesn’t support direct import/export to each other.
Most mail apps will export their contacts as a .CSV file. If you try to import the .CSV of one mail app directly into another mail app the info will import all jumbled and non useable. This is because the order that the data is stored in the .CSV file of one mail app is different than the order that the data is stored in the .CSV file of the other. Same information for a contact, just listed in a different order in the CSV file. That order in the .CSV determines how the data for each contact is imported into the correct boxes of that mail app’s contact data page. If you take the .CSV exported file from one mail app and edit that .CSV file so that the order of data for a contact is the same as the .CSV exported by the another mail app, then that edited .CSV file will import correctly into that other mail app.
Basically you place the same contact in both mail apps (I create a contact named AAA to be at top of the list). Make sure you enter “data” for every data entry space for the contact page in that app even if some blocks don’t exist in both apps. You want same contact in each mail app and that contact has data for every possible place on the contact page in both apps. This creates a contact in the exported .CSV file that has data for every possible place in that mail app’s contact data page AND it will show the order that data is in.
Export the contacts as .CSV files from both mail apps.
Open each file in Excel and scroll to your full data contact (see why the AAA contact)
Match the data column for column. Move the columns of the old mail app .CSV file so the order of the data matches. You may have to add and delete columns until the order of the data of the two .CSV files match.
Save the edited .CSV file as a .CSV file and then import that edited .CSV file into the new mail app.This has worked for many different mail apps, but I never used it on BetterBird or iTunes.
HTH, Dana:))
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The “New Outlook” is a festering pile of crap with hundreds of missing features and options. It’s a dumbed-down version of Outlook that is still beta quality. The original “classic” Outlook for Windows will be supported for many years to come. In addition, switching to the “New Outlook” can cause serious problems if you use any of the missing features or options. For example, until recently you couldn’t even save attachments to your desktop. 🤣
OPT OUT of Obnoxious Automatic Migration from Classic Outlook to the New Outlook:
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Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 ; Block New Outlook Forced Upgrade from Classic Outlook. New Outlook is a Festering Pile of Crap. [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\office\16.0\outlook\preferences] “NewOutlookMigrationUserSetting”=dword:00000000 [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\16.0\Outlook\Options\General] “HideNewOutlookToggle”=dword:00000001
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You can also disable migration in Outlook under: Outlook Options > General
SEE: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365-apps/outlook/get-started/control-install?branch=main
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You can also disable migration in Outlook under: Outlook Options > General
Thank you. In the Office Home and Business 2019 version of Outlook I don’t see that option in that location.
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You can also disable migration in Outlook under: Outlook Options > General
Which version of Outlook are you seeing that? Or where did you source that info?
I’ve looked in various up-to-date Outlook for Windows and can’t see such an option?
Thanks
Peter Deegan
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Hello B: Re: Windows 10 to Linux. When support for Windows 10 ends (EOS) on a perfectly good computer that cannot be upgraded to Windows 11 because of the latter’s technical requirements, switching to Linux is the best option (for us). I assume, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that users can access their Outlook account online at outlook.office.com from a Linux browser without the need for a Linux alternative program to Outlook (classic).
In other words, Office 365 (here, Outlook classic) that runs natively on a Win 10 computer will not function as securely after EOS but could be run in a browser window from a Linux computer. This could be useful when a user has continued access to Office 365 on a Win 11 laptop, but also wants a desktop computer AND access to the information in Outlook.
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You have a couple of options. Search for OPatch. OPatch supposedly will create dynamic patches for Win 10 once it’s no longer supported by Microsoft so you might want to go that route instead of Linux. If you want to be proactive, switch to Betterbird as your email client in place of Outlook Classic as Betterbird also works on Linux. I switched and feel that Betterbird is just as good as Classic.
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You have a couple of options. Search for OPatch. OPatch supposedly will create dynamic patches for Win 10 once it’s no longer supported by Microsoft so you might want to go that route instead of Linux. If you want to be proactive, switch to Betterbird as your email client in place of Outlook Classic as Betterbird also works on Linux. I switched and feel that Betterbird is just as good as Classic.
I was going to edit my previous post but apparently that capability doesn’t exist as I wanted to add this link about OPatch in regarding Michael Miller’s post. OPatch might not be a 100% perfect solution to not having Microsoft patch Windows 10 but perhaps it’s good enough as they’ve been patching Windows 7 PC’s since that release went unsupported. Here’s the link: https://blog.0patch.com/2024/06/long-live-windows-10-with-0patch.html
When I mentioned Betterbird, I should have said Thunderbird as a replacement to Outlook Classic. Betterbird is a development fork of Thunderbird and you can have both products installed at the same time and switch back and forth between the two to test them out using the same configuration and data. I actually installed Thunderbird first but ended up liking Betterbird a bit better but I was happy with Thunderbird beforehand. As I recall, when I installed Thunderbird it asked if I had Outlook installed and it grabbed what it needed from Outlook to complete the setup. There was a utility program out there that I used to read my PST file and it created all of my Outlook folders and their contents in Thunderbird so I didn’t loose anything. I never tried it but you can export your profile from Thunderbird on Windows 10 and I assume use it on a Linux distro to install Thunderbird on that platform as well. If nothing else, it’s a good way to see if you like Thunderbird as an alternative to Outlook before the October 2025 EOS date if you’re still thinking of switching to Linux. If you’re considering Linux you should also try LibreOffice on your Windows 10 PC and use it in place of WORD, EXCEL as LibreOffice is free to use and it too is available on Linux. If you like LibreOffice and Thunderbird now, perhaps you can cut the Microsoft 365 cord and save money.
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