NTFS on WIN98SE

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I have my network up and running as previously described in other posts. The OS is XP Home SP-1 and WIN98SE

I have discovered that I cannot read the XP volumes (formatted NTFS) on the WIN98SE computer. Does anybody know of a utility to allow file transfer. I can read CD’s 3

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I was under the impression the limitation with reading NTFS only applied if W98 was trying to access them on the same PC. Are you saying W98 can’t access *networked* NTFS volumes at all? Can it see they exist?

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Good-day Lief. Yes I am saying that the WIN98SE computer sees the drives but when you try and explore them the error message is
OFFICEH_DRIVE (H) is not accessible.
Not enough memory is available, quit some programs.
As I said in my original posts files can be transferred through the CD-RW, LS240 (LS120 disk) and the floppy. None of the main volumes nor folders within them can be opened on the WIN98SE. I had 64 MBytes of RAM I have tonight upgraded this because of the message to 256MBytes. But the results are the same. A search through other forums and a search on “win9x NTFS” seems to confirm my findings. I am seeking comfirmation.

I can read the FAT32 files on the XP system.

Ted

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I still believe you should have access to the NTFS drives on a network. As NTFS is a much more secure file system, I would suspect it is down to a permissions problem.

See if MSKB 304040: How to configure file sharing in Windows XP sheds any light.

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I agree with what you are saying but the KB article refers to XP Pro not my version XP Home (The options are not available). I have this morning transferred files from the XP (NTFS) system to the WIN98SE system while sitting at the XP system. They are readily seen on the WIN98SE computer.

I still cannot explore the shared drives from the NTFS System while sitting at the WIN98SE computer.

Windows Explorer on the WIN98SE computer does not seem to be able to read the NTFS volumes whilst the Windows Explorer on the XP Home copes well with the FAT32 files. (They can be read, edited, copied etc.)

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On your XP machine have you defined a “Share” and have checked the “Allow network users change my files”?

I am using a combination of XP Pro NTFS and FAT32 Home NTFS and ME FAT32 and they all talked to each other.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Thanks Dave, I have opened “My Computer” right clicked the drive, selected the “Security & Sharing” option, then checked the box “Share this folder on the Network” and “Allow Network Users to change my files” I click “Apply” and get a dialogue box “Setting folder permissions” and the usual green progress bar. I then go to the WIN98SE computer open “Explorer” then “Network Neighbourhood” then the XP computer. The drive is seen but as soon as I click the drive I get the error message re the memory. I would appreciate any assistance. Like yourself I am retired and have so much to do.

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Do you have an account on the XP machine that has the same Profile name and Password that is being used on the Win 98 machine?

Give us a screen shot of the error message, it may help.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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I have tried everything I can think of, even to creating a partition on one of my drives and formatting it to FAT32. It is not seen on the WIN98SE computer. Anything shared on the WIN98SE can be accessed on the XP Home. Most advice seems to suggest to enable “Simple File Sharing” this is not an option in XP Home.

The attached graphic shows the error message

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Give us a screen shot of your XP Home share, see attachment for on on my desktop.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Thank you for your assistance, this one has me completely beaten.

Just a summary

The XP can access everything from the WIN98SE
The WIN98SE can access the CD, LS120, and Floppy drive. But not any other medium.
I partitioned one of the HDD to create a FAT32 partition, this did not help.
I am beginning to think the problem may be on the WIN98SE computer. Maybe the message is correct in that there is insufficient memory. But the computer boots quickly and works perfectly, 256MBytes should be OK for WIN98SE.

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Just a side issue, how do you get your images under 100k, I reduced and have lost size. I have used 24 Bitmap.

Ted

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I save as a “gif” file format, using PrintKey 2000.

You have NOT answered the question ask above about your accounts.

Do you have an account on the XP machine that has the same Profile name and Password that is being used on the Win 98 machine?

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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My profile on the XP is called EDWARD, the Workgroup name is also EDWARD. is this significant? There are not any profiles on the WIN98SE my signon is Edward J. O’Grady with a password.

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Forgot to add I have tried other signon’s with administrators rights with the same results.

Ted

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Windows 98 uses “Profiles” and Windpws XP uses Account names.

If you look at the Start menu of the 98 machine it should have “Log off ???”, The ??? is the profile that is being used.

The XP machines needs to have this same “Name” (Profile) as a Account and the pasword needs to be the same that is being used on the 98 machine. You may not remember in setting this up but ALL 98 machines will have one, it may even be “Default” with no password.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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I tried the profiles, completely removing the *.pwl files off the WIN98SE and creating a new one on the reboot.

I then setup a PROFILE on the XP with exactly the same information, totally different to anything previously used on either system. That produced the same result.

I then moved the Swap File on the WIN98SE to an empty 20GByte partition, it did not work.

I moved most of the junk from the C: drive on the WIN98SE did not work.

I installed an extra 2 X 64 MBytes ram did not work.

Removed the CD-RW drive on the XP, to a 5 GByte HDD (FAT32) did not work.

Can you upgrade from XP Home to Pro without losing your installation?

I appreciate your advice, it must be something simple, the fact that I can share the other devices is the puzzle.

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Try looking here: How to troubleshoot home networking in Windows XP as a starting point. There are links to other MS articles there.

Joe

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Thanks Joe, there is a fair bit of meat in these articles I will print out and try. What I cannot understand is why I can file share from the devices, i.e. Floppy, CD etc. and not the HDD’s I will work through your suggestions and make a new post.

I read an article at GRC and I am beginning to think that my Protocols may be incorrect. I can remember that in one place on one of the computers there was an option of when to use NetBuei or NetBios where could set the order, Automatic, default or Not, I cannot find where I set that procedure. I have read and changed so much in the last two days that I am worried about losing my Broadband connection which works perfectly on both systems.

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Thanks for all the assistance. I believe that I am faced with the option of calling in a network expert or upgrading the WIN98SE to XP home. Basically there is a setting incorrect and the cost of a home service call would be about the same value as the upgrade. THe XP home computer sees the XP, will transfer (file sharing) from minor devices (removable media) but not the HDD’s. I can only assume there is a setting incorrect.

Ted

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Thanks for all the assistance. I believe that I am faced with the option of calling in a network expert or upgrading the WIN98SE to XP home. Basically there is a setting incorrect and the cost of a home service call would be about the same value as the upgrade. THe XP home computer sees the XP, will transfer (file sharing) from minor devices (removable media) but not the HDD’s. I can only assume there is a setting incorrect.

Ted

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Thanks Joe, there is a fair bit of meat in these articles I will print out and try. What I cannot understand is why I can file share from the devices, i.e. Floppy, CD etc. and not the HDD’s I will work through your suggestions and make a new post.

I read an article at GRC and I am beginning to think that my Protocols may be incorrect. I can remember that in one place on one of the computers there was an option of when to use NetBuei or NetBios where could set the order, Automatic, default or Not, I cannot find where I set that procedure. I have read and changed so much in the last two days that I am worried about losing my Broadband connection which works perfectly on both systems.

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Try looking here: How to troubleshoot home networking in Windows XP as a starting point. There are links to other MS articles there.

Joe

--Joe

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I tried the profiles, completely removing the *.pwl files off the WIN98SE and creating a new one on the reboot.

I then setup a PROFILE on the XP with exactly the same information, totally different to anything previously used on either system. That produced the same result.

I then moved the Swap File on the WIN98SE to an empty 20GByte partition, it did not work.

I moved most of the junk from the C: drive on the WIN98SE did not work.

I installed an extra 2 X 64 MBytes ram did not work.

Removed the CD-RW drive on the XP, to a 5 GByte HDD (FAT32) did not work.

Can you upgrade from XP Home to Pro without losing your installation?

I appreciate your advice, it must be something simple, the fact that I can share the other devices is the puzzle.

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Windows 98 uses “Profiles” and Windpws XP uses Account names.

If you look at the Start menu of the 98 machine it should have “Log off ???”, The ??? is the profile that is being used.

The XP machines needs to have this same “Name” (Profile) as a Account and the pasword needs to be the same that is being used on the 98 machine. You may not remember in setting this up but ALL 98 machines will have one, it may even be “Default” with no password.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Forgot to add I have tried other signon’s with administrators rights with the same results.

Ted

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My profile on the XP is called EDWARD, the Workgroup name is also EDWARD. is this significant? There are not any profiles on the WIN98SE my signon is Edward J. O’Grady with a password.

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I save as a “gif” file format, using PrintKey 2000.

You have NOT answered the question ask above about your accounts.

Do you have an account on the XP machine that has the same Profile name and Password that is being used on the Win 98 machine?

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Just a side issue, how do you get your images under 100k, I reduced and have lost size. I have used 24 Bitmap.

Ted

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Thank you for your assistance, this one has me completely beaten.

Just a summary

The XP can access everything from the WIN98SE
The WIN98SE can access the CD, LS120, and Floppy drive. But not any other medium.
I partitioned one of the HDD to create a FAT32 partition, this did not help.
I am beginning to think the problem may be on the WIN98SE computer. Maybe the message is correct in that there is insufficient memory. But the computer boots quickly and works perfectly, 256MBytes should be OK for WIN98SE.

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Give us a screen shot of your XP Home share, see attachment for on on my desktop.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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I have tried everything I can think of, even to creating a partition on one of my drives and formatting it to FAT32. It is not seen on the WIN98SE computer. Anything shared on the WIN98SE can be accessed on the XP Home. Most advice seems to suggest to enable “Simple File Sharing” this is not an option in XP Home.

The attached graphic shows the error message

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Do you have an account on the XP machine that has the same Profile name and Password that is being used on the Win 98 machine?

Give us a screen shot of the error message, it may help.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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Thanks Dave, I have opened “My Computer” right clicked the drive, selected the “Security & Sharing” option, then checked the box “Share this folder on the Network” and “Allow Network Users to change my files” I click “Apply” and get a dialogue box “Setting folder permissions” and the usual green progress bar. I then go to the WIN98SE computer open “Explorer” then “Network Neighbourhood” then the XP computer. The drive is seen but as soon as I click the drive I get the error message re the memory. I would appreciate any assistance. Like yourself I am retired and have so much to do.

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On your XP machine have you defined a “Share” and have checked the “Allow network users change my files”?

I am using a combination of XP Pro NTFS and FAT32 Home NTFS and ME FAT32 and they all talked to each other.

DaveA I am so far behind, I think I am First
Genealogy....confusing the dead and annoying the living

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I agree with what you are saying but the KB article refers to XP Pro not my version XP Home (The options are not available). I have this morning transferred files from the XP (NTFS) system to the WIN98SE system while sitting at the XP system. They are readily seen on the WIN98SE computer.

I still cannot explore the shared drives from the NTFS System while sitting at the WIN98SE computer.

Windows Explorer on the WIN98SE computer does not seem to be able to read the NTFS volumes whilst the Windows Explorer on the XP Home copes well with the FAT32 files. (They can be read, edited, copied etc.)

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I still believe you should have access to the NTFS drives on a network. As NTFS is a much more secure file system, I would suspect it is down to a permissions problem.

See if MSKB 304040: How to configure file sharing in Windows XP sheds any light.

Reply | Quote

Good-day Lief. Yes I am saying that the WIN98SE computer sees the drives but when you try and explore them the error message is
OFFICEH_DRIVE (H) is not accessible.
Not enough memory is available, quit some programs.
As I said in my original posts files can be transferred through the CD-RW, LS240 (LS120 disk) and the floppy. None of the main volumes nor folders within them can be opened on the WIN98SE. I had 64 MBytes of RAM I have tonight upgraded this because of the message to 256MBytes. But the results are the same. A search through other forums and a search on “win9x NTFS” seems to confirm my findings. I am seeking comfirmation.

I can read the FAT32 files on the XP system.

Ted

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