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    I post my experiences with Norton 360 so the whole truth is available to average users.

    I have 5 PCs (3 Windows 10 Home & 2 Windows 7) and 2 iPhones. I was using Kaspersky when the “geniuses” of the IT department of my company required me to have either Norton or McAfee (only 2 choices) in order to connect remotely and told me the Norton was the best choice. I had no other choice except to purchase Norton (which I have had before and considered it a resource hog). Norton was OK for a while. When Norton purchase Life Lock everything changed with new updates (Norton 360 is released). Norton “sold” me “security” protection for my iPhones, which turns out that the only “security” it provided was to alert me that a new iOS update was available. Many other AV makers don’t provide this lame “security”.

    Pop up notifications would appear at different times no matter what you were doing on the PC. The notifications were about some security breach somewhere in the world and how the “ONLY” way to protect myself was to purchased Life Lock and to buy extra Cloud storage and back up all my files. Clearly this is an unasked for or unauthorized sales pitch directly to my PC. Norton does have a “setting” to stop notifications, but these “security” notifications (aka scare tactic to encourage a sales) are not affected by any setting the user can make. There is no way to stop or prevent these “security” notifications. My definition of malware is software that is designed to prevent the user from preventing the malware from running and is designed so the maker will make money from its usage. These “security” notifications definitely meets that definition. All attempts and emails to Norton to resolve this were a dead end. Norton support is very hard to actually contact no matter what their web site states. I am not the only one as their forum is filled with pages of numerous users complaining about this spamming practice of Norton and saying that they will not renew their subscription.

    To make Norton 360 even worse, it added a new feature about checking for updates for all your other apps. This caused a lot of problems for a lot of users including myself. I had to install a backup image to correct the problems it caused and prevent it from causing the problems again when I booted up. All these changes to Norton to become Norton 360 vastly increased its resource needs to the point that some less robust PCs are totally unusable until Norton 360 finishes its checking and phone home actions.

    I finally finish my subscription (Norton does NOT give refunds for renewal…or at least not to me). I removed Norton 360 using its Removal app (which is a removal or reinstall app). Even thou I clearly marked Removal Only as per Norton’s instruction, the app installs the reinstall installer into the Startup folder and tries to install on every boot up until you physically remove the installer from the Startup folder. This trying to reinstall when you mark Removal Only is the action of malware.

    I replaced Norton 360 with eSet on the 3 Windows 10 PCs and Windows Defender on the Windows 7 PCs. Notification spamming is gone and resource hogging is gone (even the less robust laptop is usable after booting up).

    This experience with Norton demonstrates what happens to a company when sales becomes more important than customer wants (called customer service)….great for short term gains but very bad for any long term gain.

    HTH, Dana:))

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    • #2514297

      I replaced Norton 360 with eSet on the 3 Windows 10 PCs and Windows Defender on the Windows 7 PCs.

      Windows 7 would use Microsoft Security Essentials as a separate stand-alone program:

      mse

      On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
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    • #2514320

      I use the free MS defender that comes with W10,  plus 0Patch Pro. and ADW Cleaner.  Home user.

    • #2514370

      Dcard.

      How RIGHT you are! Currently, working on an emachines mini-tower running W7 HP. It has a busted Norton install which it is constantly popping up messages about it’s status and the link to check the internet for fixes does NOTHING.

      I tried to download the removal tool from the Norton site and all the links take you back to the sales page. I finally downloaded one version from Major Geeks which still didn’t get it completely uninstalled. Kept popping up to Reinstall.

      Finally,

      • I resorted to the manual method. Started up SysInternals AutoRuns and deleted all the Norton Entries.
      • Reboot
      • Start deleting everything in the Norton Internet Security directory. Of course it wouldn’t let me do this!
      • Installed the TakeOwnership registry hack and took over the top level directory and deleted it all!
      • Reboot
      • Success
      • Yes, I would classify it as MALWARE!

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #2514470

      I remember way back when Peter Norton ran the company and it was trustworthy, reliable and ethical. The organisation I was with bought in loads of licences for all its laptops, even though the corporate standard was McAfee. at the time.

      Just shows how old I am now.

      I rarely do ‘fixes’ now… but even more rarely when Norton is involved. I’m tired of saying “turn Norton off temporarily; see if the problem goes away.”… which almost always works. 🙁

    • #2514992

      Thank you. Sales-y bloatware. Every company changes eventually. Last time I used Norton was its Internet Security Suite maybe 10 years ago. Their support was abysmal. And I’m a former Enterprise Security user/administrator of theirs.

      Human, who sports only naturally-occurring DNA ~ oneironaut ~ broadcaster

    • #2515020

      I use Norton 360 and am painfully aware of the issues raised. One bit of advice for those who are still on Norton: ignore all invitations to run a “Smart Scan”! The last time I ran it, it found numerous “problems” with the Windows registry and then offered to fix them… if I bought additional Norton utilities. An annoying upselling tactic.

      All that said, here are some items on the plus side for Norton:

      • Their Online Backup is increasingly generous (somehow, I’m up to 134GB available).
      • They are one of the few AV vendors that still supports Windows Vista and XP. A couple of years ago, they announced the end of support for these OSes and I let my Norton subscription lapse. Within a few weeks they had reversed the decision and said they would continue to issue virus definitions for Vista and XP machines (no new features to the program, though, which is fine by me). So in this case at least, they did turn out to be responsive to market sentiment. Later that year, I put Norton back on one of my Vista machines.
      • Also with regard to Vista, they’ve worked with me when I reported that the Norton Power Eraser was crashing on Vista, and they took steps to remedy the situation.
      • I’m happy with Norton on my Android phone. It intercepts spam text messages, and the VPN launches automatically when using Wi-Fi on a public network.
    • #2588710

      Thanks for this–I have the same frustrations and was looking for a solution myself. I bought Norton Utilities Ultimate, and the problem got worse. It’s true–every time I run their scan they find more problems that they can only solve if I send them more money.

    • #2607963

      I’ve been using Norton since Peter Norton developed it. I’ve installed it on hundreds of client computers.  Corporations concerned about security mostly use Norton (Symantec endpoint security).  Many small businesses with a limited budget usually use Microsofts built in security products.  The problem as I have always thought was that Norton was writing for high performance PC’s which many large companies use.  On a single computer 3 or 4 years old can’t handle all the background processing and the constant scans which are totally out of control.  I am still using it but I took it off my other 11 devices.  When it wants a renewal I will not renew.  Last year the renewal was $179 so I waited then $70 or so, then $39.00 to get me back.They will initally want $179. which this year is $99. The pricing game is bad marketing causing manyto go elsewhere.  Unless Norton gives us full control over its scans I am done.

      • #2608217

        Corporations concerned about security mostly use Norton (Symantec endpoint security)

        12%.

    • #2611485

      Yep, I knew it was something because Norton 360 even tried to block me from connecting to my internet and many other things, its outright radicicolous. However, thanks for the this forum I have been going crazy trying to see if maybe this was just happening to me.

    • #2631759

      I switched back to Norton 360 about 2 years ago from McAfee (which I was getting for free from my Internet Provider).

      I had used a Norton Security Suite before on Windows 7 but it was a resource hog. If I was still on Windows 7 I would not be using Norton 360 either.

      Now, on Windows 10 Pro and Windows 11 Pro it works fine. I must admit I have tweaked the settings extensively, and the Smart Scan is set to only run when the computer is idle.  I also don’t bother with Norton’s “Internet Security” – I use a few trusted browser add-ons (like uBlock Origin), which are much lighter. With Norton Software Updater I have excluded most of my apps.

      Compared to McAfee, Norton has a lot more settings that can bee tweaked. I would not try to use it with the default settings, and have opted out of their scare-tactic marketing emails.

       

       

    • #2647931

      I recently let my Norton subscription lapse. I received a pop-up notice that I was no longer covered. I figured Big deal. Then one night I start writing text messages, but what is coming out is profanity laden messages that I didn’t write. I pannicked, then it occured to me to disconnect my home internet because the messages in my phone and on my computer changed to things that I didn’t write. I figured someone was in my computer. I started writing ridiculously long tirades, that I was sending to myself. The messages I recieved were messages I didn’t write. I wrote them in long-hand and typed them in. What I was recieving from myself was not the messages that I was writing. When I didn’t bite and order NORTON, and Ibegan scolding whoever was in control of my computer. The messages that Ihad in my phone that I did not write disappeared and were replaced by the orignally written messages. I felt violated. I know what I was reading because I read them to my roommate.  Has anyone had a similar experience?

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