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ISSUE 19.26.1 • 2022-06-28 By Susan Bradley I have good news and bad news. Some of you will install the June updates and see absolutely no issues what
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On the MS web site Susan linked to the issue is listed as “Resolved” for Win 11, but it is NOT listed as “Resolved” for Win 10 and Win 8.1; it’s listed as under investigation.

Also, I think I’m correct in assuming that if I don’t use a computer as a hot spot, then I won’t see this issue?

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I have an ISP-provided router connected to my desktop via ethernet cable and two laptops using Wi-Fi  for internet access in other parts of the house. Visiting family have connected a phone and an iPad via the Wi-Fi as well. All the connections are working well at the moment so I will wait until my son and his wife to leave on Sunday before I do the updates on my computers.

Where can I find the settings to see if my hotspot feature is on without making any changes? Is there any way to discover or list currently connected items? Getting to the Network box via the Notifications icon (bottom right of screen) shows the hotspot icon but I’m reluctant to click on it for fear of losing all the currently working Wi-Fi connections (including for my wife’s and a neighbour’s smartphones).

Basically, I have assumed the extra laptops and phones connect directly to the router since I’ve given out the router password for them to connect, and I don’t understand how the hotspot works or if it’s involved—or even if it’s on at this point. In fact, I suspect it’s not.

Any info or links to info regarding the use, non-use, or necessity of the hotspot function will be greatly appreciated.

P.S. I found the Mobile hotspot Settings page and it’s set to off. My question then becomes what is a hotspot or how does it differ from providing my password to the laptops, iPad, and phones as I have. Would it be safe to assume I can do the updates on my PC and two laptops with no problem? I’ll probably wait until next Monday anyway . . .

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My little brain asked all the same questions, but I assume that unless the PC owner has done this:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJrthIiUnM

which I certainly haven’t, we’re in the clear. I just hope this bug doesn’t affect my bluetooth connection, which I use regularly to save pictures from my Nokia to my PC!

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Thanks for the video, and No, I haven’t done it either. I’m not sure I see any point in creating a hotspot since I can simply give out my router password to select friends. It seems like an unnecessary duplication that only adds an additional layer of electronic signaling that can go wonky. Also, I turn my PC off overnight but my laptops and guests still get their Wi-Fi connections from the router.

Under what circumstances is creating a hotspot better than a separate sign in and direct connection to a router? I understand making a cell phone into a pseudo-router or hotspot where there’s no actual physical online router but there’s a mobile phone connection to an ISP, but I was not aware that a laptop has a similar connection to a mobile signal. And if it does, where’s the need for a hotspot connection?

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Wayne wrote:

Under what circumstances is creating a hotspot better than a separate sign in and direct connection to a router? … where’s the need for a hotspot connection { my addition: if you can make a direct connection with a router) ?

Am I correct in understanding that if there is no physical router present in certain circumstances (such as wanting to use both your phone and laptop on an airplane), then a hotspot is the way to go. But, if the router is in the vicinity, make the connection via the router?

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I remember years ago my brother set up a “Network and Sharing Centre” so I could access the files on my old Windows 7 PC from my laptop. I think he was showing off his computer skills, because the only function of the set-up was to enable me to work on my desktop PC whilst in bed, or watching TV, and in practice I never used it. After a while it stopped working (probably as a result of an update bug!) and when the hard drive on my Windows 7 PC failed I had no desire to replicate it on my new computer. Maybe my brother found it more useful, if he could work on his PC from the garden shed. Who knows?

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Er, not so fast please!

In the Windows 10 Pro, 21H2 system that I have just installed and configured, I haven’t done what the YouTube video shows either. However, I have just looked at Settings > Network & Internet > Mobile hotspot and, to my surprise, unknown to me, a mobile hotpsot has been configured automatically with a generated network name and network password!  It is not switched on, but it does appear in my Action Centre.

Where does that leave my system with respect to the June 2022 CU?

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That’s a default configuration.  Leave it turned off and you will be fine.

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My situation is similar and I think very common: wired Ethernet LAN with one ethernet Network; don’t use any of the 5 systems for a hotspot. However, Win services shows ICS is enabled/Manual trigger by default (is that necessary?)

However, looking in Settings > Network & Internet > Mobile hotspot, I see Mobile hotspot is Off but with mobile hotspot defined using the computer network via wifi and with a name and password assigned.

Should I disable ICS in Win services? What about the update?

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Could this be connected?  Updated overnight for  2022-06 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB5014748) – ‘successful’.  Now SigmaPlot 14.5 licencing fails.  It was working yesterday …  extraordinary coincidence if not.

 

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I don’t think you mean connected with other known issues, right?

But your Windows 7 update may have affected application licencing?

Have you tried Alfasoft’s Licence Repair Utility?

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I meant connected with the update.  It seems to have been.
Turns out that the Licensing Manager was wrecked – needed reinstallation.  It now works again.  The licensing itself was still good – the same licence worked immediately.

The link you provided has been noted, just in case – thanks.

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I’m staying away from Windows 11 Preview KB5014668. I don’t use hotspot and I don’t want search bling icon. Patch Tuesday, July 12, 2022, will come soon enough.

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What is a “hotspot”? As far as I know, I don’t have any. I updated my Windows 10 computer a few days ago. No problems at all.

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“You can wirelessly share your Wi-Fi or wired internet connection with other devices by turning a PC or Mac into a hotspot.”

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/how-to-turn-your-computer-into-a-hotspot

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The article starts with an answer to my question above. Thanks!

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Susan Bradley wrote:

ISSUE 19.26.1 • 2022-06-28 By Susan Bradley I have good news and bad news. Some of you will install the June updates and see absolutely no issues what
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My Internet Connection Sharing start up type is set to “manual”.  Do you considered this “enabled” or will I avoid the issue you discussed in your alert this morning?

“If you use your computer as a hotspot for other devices, the June updates will cause you to lose Internet access on the host computer if you have Internet Connection Sharing ENABLED”

Thanks

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Does Settings, Network & Internet, Mobile hotspot say On or Off?

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Does Settings, Network & Internet, Mobile hotspot say On or Off?

On – I think that answered my question.  Thanks.  I will wait until the idiots at MS stop trying to improve their products only to break what already worked perfectly fine previously.

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I’m curious what you need to use it for, as use cases seem rare.

Do you use mobile hotspot even at home, or only out and about?

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I don’t own a hotspot device – but all of my devices go my PC and router.  Does this mean I am safe to update since I don’t a true “hotspot device”  Thanks.

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blueboy714 wrote:

I don’t own a hotspot device

It’s not about dedicated hotspot devices, but using a PC as one instead.

blueboy714 wrote:

– but all of my devices go my PC and router.

If they connect to the router directly (even via wi-fi) then you don’t need mobile hotspot on.

If they don’t, then you do (but I’d still like to understand why).

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Here’s where I’ve used it.  My laptop includes a cellular connection.  I’m away from wifi and want to share my cellular connection with my Sister who has an ipad that needs wifi.  I enable my cellular connection to be “shared” to the ipad.  If I would do so after the June updates, she would be able to surf while using my shared connection but I would not be able to share it out.

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Susan Bradley wrote:

My laptop includes a cellular connection.

Does this mean that at Settings | Phone, you have linked your phone?

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Susan Bradley wrote:

but I would not be able to share it out.

What do you mean when you say “I would not be able to share it out”?

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Susan Bradley wrote:

Here’s where I’ve used it.  My laptop includes a cellular connection.  I’m away from wifi and want to share my cellular connection with my Sister who has an ipad that needs wifi.  I enable my cellular connection to be “shared” to the ipad.  If I would do so after the June updates, she would be able to surf while using my shared connection but I would not be able to share it out.

Interesting.  Would you be able access your laptop once your sister has stopped using your wi-fi?

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b wrote:

blueboy714 wrote:

I don’t own a hotspot device

It’s not about dedicated hotspot devices, but using a PC as one instead.

blueboy714 wrote:

– but all of my devices go my PC and router.

If they connect to the router directly (even via wi-fi) then you don’t need mobile hotspot on.

If they don’t, then you do (but I’d still like to understand why).

I was looking at hotspot network signup which said “yes”.  I have my hotspot set to “off” … my bad.

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What is a “HOTSPOT“?

You are driving down the road. Your cellphone is able to connect to the Internet because there is a cell tower nearby. But you laptop has no connection b/c you are away from your Home network WiFi/Router.

A network uses TCP/IP to connect. No two devices on a network can have the same IP address. A router takes the one IP address issued by the Internet Provider, then issues a different series of IP addresses to the devices attached, thus allowing multiple devices to connect/use the one IP address from the ISP. The Router takes care of assuring the signal for each attached device is routed to the right device – hence the name Router.

OK, back to the road trip. When you turn on HOTSPOT in the phone, it becomes a Router. It takes the one IP address available for connection from the cell tower, then issues a different series of IP addresses allowing multiple devices to attach. It is like your home Router where you can use multiple devices, each with their own IP address, connecting through one IPS-provided IP.

A HOTSPOT is SHARED Network connections.

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PKCano wrote:

When you turn on HOTSPOT in the phone, it becomes a Router

Thanks for this explanation.
It seems that the issue with the June update involves a situation where you have turned on HOTSPOT on your Win 10 laptop, not on your phone. In this situation, I am not sure about this, but it seems that your laptop can act as if it were your phone. (maybe because you do not have your phone nearby or maybe because you can’t connect to the cell tower)?.

Is this the right way to understand HOTSPOT in this circumstance — when your laptop has HOTSPOT turned on.

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The laptop Susan mentioned had cellular connections. Thus, it can connect to a cell tower like a phone. You can have “phone cards” in a laptop as well as WiFi cards.

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So is it possible to reduce this discussion to the idiot-proof formula that if you’ve never tried to use a device as a router it will not be impacted by the June update bug?

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Correct.  This is one of those things that if you don’t know what a hotspot is, you won’t see the bug.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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The Surfing Pensioner wrote:

So is it possible to reduce this discussion …

Restricting the discussion doesn’t allow us to understand how our computers, our routers, and our HOTSPOTS work together or separately. I am all for developing a good understanding of the devices we use.

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I didn’t say “restrict”, I said reduce. Develop your tech understanding all you like; I just wanted to make sure I had grasped the essential point about the June update bug – the issue that started the discussion in the first place.

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2022-06 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 21H1 for x64-based Systems (KB5014699) failed to install.

Error message, “Some update files are missing or have problems. We’ll try to download the update again later. Error code: (0x8007000d)”

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Have you done a repair install over the top?

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Installation reaches 100% prior to the appearance of the Error Message.

We have run both HP’s Operating System Check and Microsoft’s Additional Troubleshooters – Windows Update – Run Troubleshooter

Neither found a problem.

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I’ve never found a troubleshooter fix anything.  So you’ve done an inplace repair over the top?

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PKCano wrote:

You can have “phone cards” in a laptop as well as WiFi cards.

Is having a “phone card” the same as adding a phone and linking it to your laptop at Settings|Phone?

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Not necessarily adding a phone, just adding a cellular connection so you can connect to a cell tower when you don’t have a network.

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https://www.att.com/buy/tablets/lenovo-thinkpad-x13-5g.html

The laptop has built in cellular so that no matter where I am, I can get Internet.

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WCHS wrote:

Is having a “phone card” the same as adding a phone and linking it to your laptop at Settings|Phone?

No. Phone Link doesn’t provide an internet connection.

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A “phone card” in a PC is similar to the SIM card in your phone. It gives you access to cellular connections through a cell tower.

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Turning HOTSPOT on, regardless of whether it’s your Phone, PC or some other device, turns that device into a “router” that can share its internet connection with other devices (provide those other devices can actually connect to it.)

This type of connection is typically used when there’s only one device with actually connectivity to the internet but multiple devices “at the same location” need to connect to the internet. In fact, if your setup includes a router that multiple devices connect to using WiFi to get out to the internet, the router actually is a HOTSPOT (although it’s normally not called that because HOTSPOT was a term created to describe shared “Cell Phone” connectivity.)

I know, it’s very confusing to use two different terms to describe the same thing but hey, welcome to the wonderful world of telecomm where “design engineers” love to create new words for something they think they invented!

Anyway…

Microsoft added the ability for Windows 10/11 to act as a HOTSPOT (i.e. share its internet connection) but only if the PC it’s installed on has WiFi/bluetooth capability (i.e. my Desktop has neither so the “Mobile hotspot” option isn’t even available under settings.)

The problem with the June Windows 10/11 update is, if you have “Mobile hotspot” enabled and “another” device is connected to your PC and using it to get out to the internet, Windows won’t be able to access the internet (the connection is still live, it’s just not usable by Windows.)

What’s happening is the connection isn’t actually being “shared” as it should be. Instead it’s acting as if it’s a “single use” connection (i.e. only one device at a time can use it.)

If your PC isn’t setup as a HOTSPOT, this bug won’t effect you at all.

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Wayne wrote:

Under what circumstances is creating a hotspot better than a separate sign in and direct connection to a router?

What do you do when Internet is down and you need to use your PC online ?
You create a hotspot with your smartphone using its cellular connection.

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So I have Windows 10 version 21H2 and tried to download the updates per Susan’s MS-DEFCON 3 recommendation for a homeuser. I am not sure if the updates went through because now the Update & Security does nothing when I click on it in Update & Security in Windows PC settings! I tried a few things, looked at the registry editor, not sure if I know what I am really doing here, but when I opened the registry editor, I note that there is nothing to expand under SECURITY. Again, not sure if I am in the right location. I also ran sfc/scannow with Admin privileges. The 1st time it advised I needed to reboot and then run another. Did that and the 2nd one showed no issues.

So how do I get the Update & Security tab to work again so I can #1, see what updates took place and #2, pause future updates again. I also tried a system restore, but honesty, I have never been able to do that on my Acer laptop, 64 bit; it always gives me an error message advising system restore did not complete. I suppose somewhere in there, my system has been corrupted.

Any suggestions on how to get my Security & Update tab to work again would be so appreciated. Lastly, I do have WUMGR downloaded, but interestingly enough, it now will not open. Thanks. Vicki

PS I just checked Control Panel, Programs, installed updates and it turns out the updates went through including KB5014699, KB5013887 and Servicing Stack 10.0.19041.1737 which I will now uninstall.

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I encountered a similar situation installing KB5014699 on W10 Pro version 21H2. During installation the installer stopped and threw the “Oops, something went wrong” error message in windows update. Windows update became totally unresponsive and would close if I tried to reopen. Since I was aware of what was installing when the stoppage occurred, I decided it may have had an issue when it got to calling for a restart to complete the install. I manually started a system restart and the update proceeded to successful completion. After the install completed, windows update was no longer hung and worked normally also. Hope this might help if anyone else encounters this situation.

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vp2006 wrote:

PS I just checked Control Panel, Programs, installed updates and it turns out the updates went through including KB5014699, KB5013887 and Servicing Stack 10.0.19041.1737 which I will now uninstall.

Why are you going to uninstall anything?  What happened when you tried system restore?

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System Restore does not work on my laptop.  I get a message indicating it did not complete.  I had had this issue everytime I try to do a system restore.  Ugh.

 

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vp2006 wrote:

So how do I get the Update & Security tab to work again

You don’t use control panel. Use Windows update.
You can check installed update in update history.
You can pause by days or by date…

Did you manually created a restore point before running updates ?
Did you create a full image copy before the updates ?

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System Restore does not work on my laptop.  I get a message indicating it did not complete.  I had had this issue everytime I try to do a system restore.  Ugh.

I did check windows chkdsk in command prompt and no issues there.

And no I did not create a restore point before running updates.  Not sure it does me any good to do that, but good advice.

As for the comment about not using control panel to check for installed updates, please understand that I can not check to see what updates were installed under Update & Security.  I can not check for current updates nor pause them either.  When I go there, it does NOTHING.   Update and Security is there in settings, but when I click on it, it does nothing.

I have done most everthing I read to do when I researched online but to no avail.  What now?  A factory reset or restore?  Ugh.

 

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@vp2006 Many A/Vs will prevent system restore from working. You may want to try disabling any A/V and security settings and also prevent them from running at startup. See if that might help.

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Some things  to  try:

Restart  the computer (Windows icon > Power > restart, not shutdown).  Run DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth with Admin privileges.

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Just have a modem  and desktop so the update went without a hitch.

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KB5014666 update for Win10 20H2/21H1/21H2 just came out around the afternoon of Tue. 6/28:
https://support.microsoft.com/help/5014666

https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=kb5014666

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I’ll update the master patch list.  It has the fix for the hotspot issue.

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vp2006 wrote:

As for the comment about not using control panel to check for installed updates, please understand that I can not check to see what updates were installed under Update & Security

Do you use a third party tweaking app or set WUmgr to hide Windows Update settings ?

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Win 11 Pro No problems. I installed May update 6/4 and paused updates till 7/11. A few days later, HP updates to sound card and processor or some such were offered and I went with them. The HP update process must have removed the pause because then this showed up: July 2022-06 Cumulative Update for Windows 11 for x64-based Systems (KB5014697)  I went ahead and installed with no negative side effects seen and noted in calendar to pause updates in early July. The takeaway is to not install PC specific updates until the monthly install cycle because it could cancel the update pause.

I’m waiting and watching before installing July updates on 3 Win 10’s.

Wondering if Microsoft fixes issues with this update or waits till next update cycle. Guessing the latter.

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MrToad28 wrote:

The HP update process must have removed the pause

HP updates can’t interfere with Windows update settings.

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DATA POINT:  This update blew out printer drivers on my Brother HL-L2380W printer.  The drivers disappeared after the update.  Good news is I simply downloaded them again from Brother website and everything was fine.

Bad news is Microsoft hasn’t gone away yet.

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This thread covers Win7/8.1/10/11. What version of Windows are you using.
What update (KB #) is “this update”?

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Updated 2 Win 8.1 machines with .NET Rollup (KB5014808) and the monthly Rollup (KB5014738) last night. As usual for these 2 computers, no fuss, muss, or issues of any kind.

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After updating one of our Windows 10 workstations, we were met with an unwelcome surprise. Our version of the classic Windows Solitaire game has disappeared.

We had downloaded the game from an old Windows XP device and installed in on the Windows 10 machine. It has worked perfectly for years. But now it is gone.

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Check out Install Windows 7 Games Hearts, Solitaire and More on Windows 10 (groovypost.com).

--Joe

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Joe

Thanks to you Solitaire is back up and running.

The open question is why did it disappear from the computer after updating?

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Can I download this version of the games and replace the one that appeared with Windows 10 that runs a 30-second ad every six or seven games? I also have an old version saved somewhere but I haven’t figured out how to uninstall the new (connected?) version and replace it.

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Hello, I have a question.  I am not tech savvy but know enough to get done what I need to do, sometimes.  I installed June updates without a problem.  KB5014699 downloaded and installed without any problems and internet works fine.  I see there is the Optional KB5014666 that contains the fix for the hotspot issue some are experiencing.

Is is ok to install that optional update even though my June updates installed and working fine?  Will this fix in CU optional update be rolled into next month’s update?  I’m just looking for some direction on the Optional CU KB5014666.

Thank you.

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We don’t recommend installing Preview (optional) updates unless you absolutely need the fix they contain.

Windows updates are cumulative, so yes, the Preview will be incorporated into the July Monthly Cumulative Update.

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Thank you PKCano for your quick reply.

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June patches installed with no problems to report on Win 8.1. 🙂

Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2022-06 Security Monthly Quality Rollup for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB5014738)

Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: 2022-06 Security and Quality Rollup for .NET Framework 3.5, 4.6.2, 4.7, 4.7.1, 4.7.2, 4.8 for Windows 8.1 for x64 (KB5014808)

Win 10 ver. 22H2 x64

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Windows 10 Home x64 V 21H1 … updates paused until July 4, metered connection on.
Laptop not set up to be used as a hotspot.

It’s the long weekend, and today is the only day I have to do an update before the pause runs out. Based on no big issues being discovered by others I want to do the update today. (Have created restore point and done my backups).

I don’t have great luck stopping the previews or optional updates when I use ‘Resume Updates’ button. I tend to download and install specific KB, then do the magic trick of switching airplane mode on/off so I can reset the pause for the next month.

Q1: Are we still deferring the .NET update (KB5013887)? So I should NOT download and install it at this time?

Q2: On MS Catalog’s list of KB5014699, the versions are dated June 14, 2022 – does that mean they do NOT include the preview/hotspot fix someone mentioned as having a June 28th date?

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I don’t understand what happens to your computer when you resume updates! Mine automatically installs the security and important patches, but previews and optional updates are under my control – they don’t get installed unless I highlight them and click “Install”. Obviously I don’t do that; I just leave them there and by next month they have disappeared………………but then I’ve never tried installing specific KBs and then switching airplane mode on. That sounds too much of a high-wire act for me!

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Obviously you do what works for you and your computer :)!

If this was a simple MS-DEFCON 4 sitch (all updates recommended to be installed) I would do as you do… just ‘Resume Updates’.

I have limited time to do this before the pause runs out. If the .NET update is NOT recommended then resuming updates is not what I want to do (IMHO), because I would get the CU update and the possibly unwanted .NET update.

To only get the CU, I would need to download and install just that KB, which I am comfortable doing BUT I don’t want to download it from the MS Catalog and install if it is the preview version.

Hence my questions.

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Win10 21H1 and 21H2 CU/OOB/Previews:

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Thanks PK. I’ve got the right KB5014699 downloaded then. I’m going to leave the .NET alone for now.

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Windows Home x64 v 21H1 …
Reporting that all seems to be good (prelim testing) after installing stand-alone CU-KB5014699 and Security update for MS Def (KB2267602). That brings it up to v19043.1766.
Did not install the .NET update.
Don’t have a mobile hotspot set up or in use, so can’t comment on that.

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I teach ESL online to International students. I use a Windows 10 laptop PC with 21H2. I have modem/ router. When power goes out in my neighborhood, that means I lose internet because there is then no power to my modem, even though my laptop can keep going on battery power . If I have a cellphone smart card on my laptop as well, then I can continue teaching while the power is out using my computer or phone or both as a hotspot. Such a card is relatively inexpensive. My other option is to buy a very expensive UPS (uninterruptible power supply), which can easily cost over $1000 and must be recharged. The hotspot is a cheaper option, especially if you live in Tornado Alley, and have frequent power outages in your area

 

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kstenbch wrote:

My other option is to buy a very expensive UPS (uninterruptible power supply), which can easily cost over $1000 and must be recharged

Home UPS to guard you PC, Printer, external drives… are not expensive.
Cost about $100 – $300 for a ~10 – 30 minutes runtime

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Only designed to provide time for a graceful shutdown though, not to power you through the complete duration of an electrical outage.

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My UPS holds for ~30 minutes and I can continue to work normally, locally (no power no internet). I can always use my iPhone with hot spot.

For a desktop a UPS is a must. Laptops have 3-10 hours of battery usage.

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If the power in your neighborhood is out, the “neighborhood hub” for your ISP will most likely have also lost power.

So, even if you have an UPS that keeps your router, PC and other equipment powered up, your internet connection will likely be down til the power comes back on and, even then, it can still take a while for the ISP to restore your local hub to full operation.

As @b pointed out, with a UPS you’ll have a change to do a “controlled” shutdown instead of having everything suddenly die on you!

They also come in quite handy at keeping everything running if you experience a quick “power hiccup” (BTDT) that would otherwise kill everything — or at the very least cause it to lock up!

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Just another Forum Poster wrote:

the “neighborhood hub” for your ISP will most likely have also lost power.

Never happened to me that both Internet and cellular were down due to power cut.

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I’ve never had both wired Ethernet and cell phones and cellular Internet go down all at once either. I also did not have a hotspot, in the past and in the past most cellphones could not act as one. It makes sense for someone who does what I do to have both a laptop and a cellphone that can both act as hotspots. When I teach online, the schools allow the students to use smartphones, tablets, laptops, desktops, Chromebooks, and every other type of wired or wireless internet to be used. However,the teachers are all required to have stable internet via Ethernet, no wi-fi or other wireless internet allowed, for teachers. If course, that may change in the future as wireless becomes faster and more stable.

 

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Alex5723 wrote:

Just another Forum Poster wrote:

the “neighborhood hub” for your ISP will most likely have also lost power.

Never happened to me that both Internet and cellular were down due to power cut.

Ha!  You don’t live in Louisiana evidently.

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You’re right, I don’t live in Louisiana. I live in Memphis. If we had a hurricane hit that would devastate the entire area where you live. That would make National Headlines, and even International ones, which I could send the online school I teach for. That’s proof and my problem with getting fined for missing classes is solved. If my entire area or city were devastated by a hurricane, there’d be no expectation that I cos teach. Most people are not expected to go back to work the day after a hurricane, typhoon, earthquake, or major flood strikes. No one would be able to work online after a major natural disaster, unless I taught online from a hotel or motel room. However, I’d have plenty of evidence of the natural disaster such as news articles. Local power outages caused by storms aren’t usually national news, Hurricanes, Earthquakes, Typhoons, and Floods are big news. I live at the east end of Tornado Alley and on the edge of the Gulf Coast Flood Plain. When the Gulf gets hit by a hurricane or several tornadoes touch down causing massive devastation, that makes the news! When my city gets hit by near missed from tornadoes or days after the hurricane, it doesn’t make the news and no one cares.

 

 

 

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We do care! I was just picking on Alex 🙂  We lose power here often and have had cell towers and ISP hubs go down often. No offense was intended!

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I meant the press doesn’t care. Often, I can it even find mention of storms or tornadoes even in the local press. That make it difficult to provide evidence that I lost power. It can take my ISP or power company some time to respond to proof of a power loss. They think I don’t want to pay my bill or want a rebate or money off. I just don’t want to get fined for missing classes. A hot spot with my computer or now with my smartphone does the truck nicely, especially if the signal is strong and stable.

 

 

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A small UPS to power the router/modem is all you need. The laptop has its own battery.
30 – 40 minutes runtime should be plenty to finish your class.
$200 is all you need to spend.

One of these units will run your modem for over an hour at a cost of around $150.

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Why was .net preview offered on Win10 pc but the non preview version was offered on a nearly identical PC?

Just updated Win10 pro 64 pc ..no problems. The PREVIEW edition of .net Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64 (KB5013887)..Since it was a preview, I didn’t install it.

When I updated a similar PC the non-preview, 2022-06 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64 (KB5013887), was offered. I accepted and it showed downloading and installing going forward…but after installation, the .net updated was not shown in the history..only 2022-06 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5014699) showed up. The latest .net installation was 2022-05 installed 6/4. No clue what happened with .net 2022-6 that was supposedly installed.

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Update History is not a reliable indicator of installed updates. Check Installed Updates.

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On both of my machines, the .net security updates that have been installed don’t show up the “View installed updates” list within Control Panel’s Programs and Features area, they only show up in the “View update history” area of Settings>Update & Security.

The only things showing up for me in “View installed updates” are the latest monthly patch for 21H2, the last few servicing stack updates and other non-superseded monthly patches as well as the Feature Updates that have been installed through the enablement packages by Windows Update.

BTW this is on two machines, both Windows 10 21H2 x64 Pro 19044.1766.

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Bob99 wrote:

On both of my machines, the .net security updates that have been installed don’t show up the “View installed updates” list within Control Panel’s Programs and Features area, they only show up in the “View update history” area of Settings>Update & Security.

That’s interesting!!
The latest .NET Framework patch that I installed was the May security update.
It is listed in both places: in ‘View Update History’ AND in ‘View installed updates’ via Control Panel|Programs & features|Installed Updates.

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WCHS wrote:

It is listed in both places: in ‘View Update History’ AND in ‘View installed updates’ via Control Panel|Programs & features|Installed Updates.

I’m Win10/Pro GP=2 (notify download/install), Windows Update for Business [TRV=21H2, Select when Preview Builds and Feature Updates are received enabled, Semi-Annual Channel=0 days]

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Same for me… .NET updates never show up in installed updates via Control Panel, but show up as Quality Updates under the Win Update View Update History. I am running Win 21H1 x64 Home. Maybe the Pro version shows the .NET updates in both places?

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.NET 5 and .NET 6 updates show in Installed Programs (as does Microsoft Update Health Tool).

.NET Framework updates show in Installed Updates.

If you want to see updates in one place, use WuMgr:

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One last note:

Windows History can also be removed. Read here:
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to-clear-windows-update-history-in-windows-10

Several other sources (unconfirmed by me as I don’t use Windows History) state that Windows History is removed by a Feature Update.

Windows updates are complicated and tracking Windows updates is very complicated. It’s important to know which updates fall where in the Microsoft spectrum: program or update.

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@MrToad28 –

KB5013887 isn’t a preview at all, there’s no mention of the word “preview” anywhere in its title. The full title of the KB article is:

June 14, 2022-KB5013887 Cumulative Update for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10, version 20H2, Windows Server, version 20H2, Windows 10 Version 21H1, and Windows 10 Version 21H2

According to the page showing the KB article, there have been no previews released for July, because KB5013887 is at the top of the list of all KB’s released for .net framework that’s on the left side of the page.

As far as why the update isn’t listed after going through the installation routine, it could be that the installation failed for some reason. This can be found by going to Control Panel and selecting System and Security>Security and Maintenance (click the title listed in <span style=”color: #339966;”>green</span> type for both items), then click on the heading labeled, appropriately, “Maintenance”. Just under there should be a link in blue labeled “View reliability history”. Click it and you’ll see a report of just what’s been done for the last several days. Click on the chart’s area that corresponds to the day you tried installing the .net update that you say didn’t install. If there were problems, they’ll be listed there with a brief but technical explanation of why it failed.

Also, please see my reply below @geekdom ‘s (immediately above this one) for other info.

 

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Windows 10 Pro 21H2 – installed both MSRT v5.102 KB890830 and June CU KB5014699 with no issues. Now on .1766 build, still being offered optional July Preview update KB5014666 but as always that will go ignored.

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