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GuestJanuary 3, 2018 at 5:47 pm #155787Dunno if this is part, all or none of it. But my WSUS servers received IE updates. KB4056568. The link is not yet active.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056568
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 6:24 pm #155798What of other Windows versions?
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GuestJanuary 3, 2018 at 7:40 pm #155828WSUS just keeps having them roll in. There’s even more. Notice the last one for ARM architecture.
Critical and Security Updates
2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4056892)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows Server 2016 (1709) for x64-based Systems (KB4056892)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Update for Windows Server 2016 (1709) for x64-based Systems (KB4058702)
Install this update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article for more information. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.2018-01 Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x86-based Systems (KB4058702)
Install this update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article for more information. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.2018-01 Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for ARM64-based Systems (KB4058702)
Install this update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article for more information. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.2018-01 Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x64-based Systems (KB4058702)
Install this update to resolve issues in Windows. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article for more information. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for x86-based Systems (KB4056892)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1709 for ARM64-based Systems (KB4056892)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.Regards,
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GuestJanuary 3, 2018 at 7:40 pm #155819Now WSUS has synchronized the following in addition to the IE patch:
Critical and Security Updates
2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB4056890)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows Server 2016 for x64-based Systems (KB4056890)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x86-based Systems (KB4056890)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 for x64-based Systems (KB4056897)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows Server 2008 R2 for x64-based Systems (KB4056897)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 7 for x86-based Systems (KB4056897)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x64-based Systems (KB4056891)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1703 for x86-based Systems (KB4056891)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems (KB4056898)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows Server 2012 R2 for x64-based Systems (KB4056898)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.2018-01 Security Only Quality Update for Windows 8.1 for x86-based Systems (KB4056898)
A security issue has been identified in a Microsoft software product that could affect your system. You can help protect your system by installing this update from Microsoft. For a complete listing of the issues that are included in this update, see the associated Microsoft Knowledge Base article. After you install this update, you may have to restart your system.Regards,
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 7:57 pm #155837Updates for Windows 10 (all 5 versions), Windows 7, and Windows 8.1 have been released today. All of the articles for these updates have this note: “Due to an issue with some versions of Anti-Virus software, this fix is only being made applicable to the machines where the Anti virus ISV have updated the ALLOW REGKEY.” It therefore seems that if your antivirus program isn’t reasonably up-to-date (and also compatible with the relevant update), or if you don’t use antivirus, then you will not receive these updates via Windows Update.
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AskWoody PlusJanuary 3, 2018 at 8:15 pm #155841Updates for Windows 10 (all 5 versions), Windows 7, and Windows 8.1 have been released today. All of the articles for these updates have this note: “Due to an issue with some versions of Anti-Virus software, this fix is only being made applicable to the machines where the Anti virus ISV have updated the ALLOW REGKEY.” It therefore seems that if your antivirus program isn’t reasonably up-to-date (and also compatible with the relevant update), or if you don’t use antivirus, then you will not receive these updates automatically.
So how are we supposed to know if our antivirus programs are compatible?
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GuestJanuary 3, 2018 at 8:33 pm #155842What an absolute [*] this is gonna turn out to be. I’m not going anywhere near this update until I read extensively what sort of an impact it’ll have on older systems. How is this vulnerability even exploited in the first place? Nobody knows yet. I assumed I would have dodged the bullet like I did with the management engine exploit but it’s looking increasingly unlikely.
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 8:56 pm #155851All of this month’s Patch Tuesday updates might have been or will be released today or very soon. Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer: January 3, 2018 has been released. Six security updates for Windows Server 2008 have been released. Release Notes – January 2018 Security Updates has been posted.
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 9:28 pm #155860Microsoft may not have originally intended to release the updates today, I infer from this article.
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 10:03 pm #155871Since the article Woody linked to states that the Win 7 and 8.1 updates will be available on Patch Tuesday, and various other Win 7 and 8.1 security-only updates are also incorrectly documented as being available on Windows Update, I think that the Win 7 and 8.1 monthly rollups indeed won’t be available until Patch Tuesday, and the Win 7 and 8.1 security-only updates that were released today indeed won’t be available via Windows Update.
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GuestJanuary 3, 2018 at 10:12 pm #155850I can say that Comodo isn’t compatible yet, they mean to release a fix next week apparently: https://forums.comodo.com/news-announcements-feedback-cis/does-cfw-interfere-with-the-meltdown-patch-t121297.0.html But I sure didn’t want to switch to v10! Darn it! Now what?
Also, the whole thing is a worse mess than it appeared even, summary at https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/948684376249962496 with the NYT article linked there too. So Meltdown affects all Intel CPUs since ’95 bar pre-2013 Itanium and Atom, and the software fix results in a significant performance drop, if you can install it at all due to the security software thing, while Spectre is harder to exploit but affects EVERYTHING and is a hardware issue with no foreseeable fix bar basically a complete redesign of CPU architecture and replacement of all CPUs in existence, so hackers will have a field day for a decade to come, as researchers say there.
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 3, 2018 at 10:57 pm #155891Slow Down and Breath folks – Intel Speaks on the subject.
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/intel-responds-to-security-research-findings/
Intel Responds to Security Research Findings
Intel and other technology companies have been made aware of new security research describing software analysis methods that, when used for malicious purposes, have the potential to improperly gather sensitive data from computing devices that are operating as designed. Intel believes these exploits do not have the potential to corrupt, modify or delete data.
Recent reports that these exploits are caused by a “bug” or a “flaw” and are unique to Intel products are incorrect. Based on the analysis to date, many types of computing devices — with many different vendors’ processors and operating systems — are susceptible to these exploits.
Intel is committed to product and customer security and is working closely with many other technology companies, including AMD, ARM Holdings and several operating system vendors, to develop an industry-wide approach to resolve this issue promptly and constructively. Intel has begun providing software and firmware updates to mitigate these exploits. Contrary to some reports, any performance impacts are workload-dependent, and, for the average computer user, should not be significant and will be mitigated over time.
Intel is committed to the industry best practice of responsible disclosure of potential security issues, which is why Intel and other vendors had planned to disclose this issue next week when more software and firmware updates will be available. However, Intel is making this statement today because of the current inaccurate media reports.
Check with your operating system vendor or system manufacturer and apply any available updates as soon as they are available. Following good security practices that protect against malware in general will also help protect against possible exploitation until updates can be applied.
Intel believes its products are the most secure in the world and that, with the support of its partners, the current solutions to this issue provide the best possible security for its customers.
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 3, 2018 at 11:33 pm #155895Ya gotta love MicroBrain. They gave ya everything except what to set the
“cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc” REG_DWORD value too (0 or 1)
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 3, 2018 at 11:44 pm #1558980
This is documented in the articles for today’s updates, such as https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056897.
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 3, 2018 at 11:54 pm #1558990 This is documented in the articles for today’s updates, such as https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4056897.
Yeah I saw that but with a Key Name of “QualityCompat” then logically setting it to “0” would mean it is incompatible. It may be that just having the registry entry present is the ticket and the actual value is moot. Something to be aware of.
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AskWoody PlusJanuary 4, 2018 at 12:58 am #155905Contrary to some reports, any performance impacts are workload-dependent, and, for the average computer user, should not be significant and will be mitigated over time.
Not surprised they said this, because I can see an even bigger lawsuit from this than over the Apple battery fiasco.
This is Corporate Cover-your-butt 101.
No matter where you go, there you are.
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AskWoody PlusJanuary 4, 2018 at 1:05 am #155907My WSUS just lit up like a delayed Xmas tree. So many patches, including a Windows 7 Security Only Quality update (4056897).
https://support.microsoft.com/en-hk/help/4056897/windows-7-update-kb4056897
No matter where you go, there you are.
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AskWoody PlusJanuary 4, 2018 at 1:06 am #155908It might be true that any data for the value cadca5fe-87d3-4b96-b7fb-a231484277cc would work.
Indeed. The page at: https://support.microsoft.com/en-hk/help/4056897/windows-7-update-kb4056897
points out that the item only needs to be present, no value needed.
No matter where you go, there you are.
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 4:54 am #155939“In the immediate term, it looks like most systems will shortly have patches for Meltdown. At least for Linux and Windows, these patches allow end-users to opt out if they would prefer. The most vulnerable users are probably cloud service providers; Meltdown and Spectre can both in principle be used to further attacks against hypervisors, making it easier for malicious user to break out of their virtual machines.
For typical desktop users, the risk is arguably less significant. While both Meltdown and Spectre can have value in expanding the scope of an existing flaw, neither one is sufficient on its own to, for example, break out of a Web browser.
Longer term, we’d expect a future Intel architecture to offer some kind of a fix, either by avoiding speculation around this kind of problematic memory access, or making the memory access permission checks faster so that this time interval between reading kernel memory, and checking that the process has permission to read kernel memory, is eliminated.” (Peter Bright, Arstechnica).
I think Woody is right, wait a while before doing anything.
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 5:20 am #155943Just installed KB 4056897 on my Win 7 Pro SP1 x64 and not noticing any slowdown in performance (till now).
BUT it gives a problem with Sandboxie’s automatic start-up: (I have to translate this into English) “This programm is being blocked due to compatibility problems. [SbieCtrl.exe]. Sandboxie is incompatible with this version of Windows. …jada jada jada.”
Nor am I able to start Sandboxie from \Sandboxie\Start.exe.I’ll try to reinstall it.
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 5:50 am #155951“Just installed KB 4056897 on my Win 7 Pro SP1 x64 and not noticing any slowdown in performance (till now).
BUT it gives a problem with Sandboxie’s automatic start-up: (I have to translate this into English) “This programm is being blocked due to compatibility problems. [SbieCtrl.exe]. Sandboxie is incompatible with this version of Windows. …jada jada jada.”
Nor am I able to start Sandboxie from \Sandboxie\Start.exe.I’ll try to reinstall it.”
————————-Decided to uninstall KB 4056897 instead. Took two restarts to get rid of it. (Restore Point did not remove it.)
Sandboxie runs as intended again.I’ll try to be more patient. :-\
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GuestJanuary 5, 2018 at 1:09 pm #156625@Anonymous regarding Sandboxie:
Sandboxie has released a beta that solves this problem KB4056897 /KB4056894 – WIN 7 SECURITY UPDATE – Unable to use Sandboxie[Fixed in beta 5.23.3]
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ManagerJanuary 4, 2018 at 5:28 am #155945UPDATE: 1/4/2018
Group B Security-Only and IE11 Cumulative patches for Win7/8.1, issued 1/3/2018, have been added to AKB2000003.
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 6:15 am #155957I cannot see any such requirement for microcode updates with Linux kernel patches.
And yes, “your OEM may not issue a BIOS update” is what makes these OS patches essentially useless for vast majority of Windows users (unless MS finally provides a way to update the CPU microcode on boot for everyone, exactly as it can be done on Linux/BSD etc.) I cannot see an average Joe to massively start using unsupported third-party hacks to accomplish the task, such as https://labs.vmware.com/flings/vmware-cpu-microcode-update-driver#summary)
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 4, 2018 at 7:18 am #155973Since I don’t have a death wish for my computer, I will wait until the Monthly Rollup is issued.
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 4, 2018 at 10:42 am #156020There are three vulnerabilities involved: two for Spectre and one for Meltdown – see https://spectreattack.com/.
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AskWoody PlusJanuary 4, 2018 at 8:15 am #155981Interesting article from Bleeping Computer, it looks like Firefox already has a form of protection and I would imagine if you’re using something like NoScript to block javascript you should be reasonably okay for the moment (touch wood)
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 4, 2018 at 10:23 am #156008Mozilla is working on a Firefox fix in 57.0.4 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/forums/contributors/712728?last=73228&page=2#post-73228
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 4, 2018 at 10:31 am #156005A funny thing happened to one of my locked down windows 7 boxes today, it crashed during a power outage, when it rebooted it started a major update. Interesting because updates are turned off, always have been. I went in and checked, still are, and it does not have any record of the updates it ran. I assume this has something to do with Meltdown, hopefully, but forcing updates still seems a bit off. If its not Meltdown what the heck was it?
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 12:23 pm #156061So three questions I have regarding the upcoming browser patches:
-Once we have OS-level and BIOS level patches installed, do we still need the browser patches to be secured?
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 4, 2018 at 12:38 pm #156070A tweet that I think is probably accurate (at least the second sentence): “I doubt Meltdown is exploitable from javascript so not really applicable to personal computer users. The side-channels used by spectre are exploitable by javascript, but the countermeasures probably have to be in the browser rather than the kernel.”
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GuestJanuary 5, 2018 at 4:28 am #156420Very interesting. So if you use say NoScript and/or uBlock Origin in Firefox and related browsers and, in Windows, use Sandboxie , you could be quite ok if so. Waterfox is getting an update asap and Pale Moon has addon First Party Isolate. (Chrome has been updated allready).
Be very careful everyone of going for a kernel update. (And if that went well?????, you need a firmware update also?!?)… Wait. Seriously, wait…..
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GuestJanuary 4, 2018 at 3:17 pm #156146After installing the windows6.1-kb4056897-x64_2af35062f69ce80c4cd6eef030eda31ca5c109ed.msu standalone patch on a couple win7 pro x64 PCs I found that there is a problem creating new folders on the desktop. to duplicate right click on the desktop choose New / Folder then type a name and hit enter. On my PCs I get a file not found error.
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AskWoody_MVPJanuary 4, 2018 at 4:49 pm #156184January 4, 2018 KB4056894 (Monthly Rollup)
This update just showed for Windows 7, SP1, 64-bit.
Install or ignore?
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AskWoody LoungerJanuary 5, 2018 at 4:19 am #156425Well… I installed the patch on my only machine (I know, but I have far fewer things that can break and I am cynical at the moment). So far, the patch went smooth and I haven’t noticed any issues. Not even a slowdown (although, I have installed 8GB of RAM on my laptop in dual-channel mode, so any loss was mitigated or lessened). I’m keeping an eye out for any issues.
Something of interest: HP has released a BIOS update a month a few days after the Intel ME fiasco (F.40 on my machine) which is supposed to improve the firmware’s security, but when I ran Microsoft’s utility, there isn’t any protection in the hardware yet for the CPU vulnerabilities. My best guess was to fortify the ME chip or fixed some security issues that the BIOS had.
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GuestJanuary 6, 2018 at 12:13 pm #156929!!! WARNING !!!
Giant kaboom with KB4056894 and AMD CPUs: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-update/stop-0x000000c4-after-installing-kb4056894-2018-01/f09a8be3-5313-40bb-9cef-727fcdd4cd56?auth=1
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