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ISSUE 21.36.1 • 2024-09-05 By Susan Bradley I can always tell when fall is in the air. No, it’s not a decrease in temperatures — we’re still very hot
[See the full post at: MS-DEFCON 2: 24H2 is around the corner]
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
Its a typo. There is no 23H3.
Typo. Fixed.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
I’ve been running 24H2 in Release Preview since June, thankfully it has been fine for me. That’s not to say that anyone should install it immediately, just that it hasn’t given me any trouble at all.
I haven’t heard any confirmation either way but I’m presuming that it will be a full feature upgrade rather than an enablement package. Usually when enablement packages are used, the build number is only incremented slightly, such as 19041-19045 being used for the Windows 10 builds from 2004 up to 22H2, or Windows 11 22H2 to 23H2 being 22621 to 22631. But 24H2 is build 26100.
Incontrol does not control the monthly security updates. It only controls the (now) annual feature releases.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
@Chris Owen, Welcome to the madness 🙂
What does control monthly patches is a cleverly orchestrated and engineered portable 3rd party program called Windows Update Manager. (WUMgr)
Available as a zip: https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr/releases
I’m sure many will agree, this little gem is a MUST in a live Windows toolkit to avoid/ hold off patches.
NOTE: Use instead of the proprietary OS vacuum Windows Update.
There is also microsoft’s own ‘wushowhide.diacab’ from the redmond chocolate factory as an adequate runner up. (initially designed to avoid W10 msft drivers although can be used to avoid patches also)
There is also Microsoft’s own ‘wushowhide.diacab’ from the Redmond chocolate factory as an adequate runner up.
Like all the Windows troubleshooters, at least in Windows 11, the framework which supports wushowhide will be removed in some future Windows 11 upgrade or update. I’ve been preparing for that day by getting to know how Powershell can be used to manage Windows Updates. It’s good, but not easy to learn. Definitely not a simple to use GUI app like wushowhide.
-- rc primak
I speak only from my non-techie experience, but while WUSHOWHIDE continues to work on my Win 10 boxes, beginning with last month’s WU, not on my Win 11 box. Per the following excerpt from MS the future may be sooner than later.
“…the MSDT deprecation process will be done in stages over the next three years:
2023 – Begin redirecting some of the troubleshooters to the new Get Help troubleshooting platform
2024 – Complete the troubleshooter redirection and remove the rest of the troubleshooters
2025 – Remove the MSDT platform”
“If you’re running Windows 11 version 22H2 and older, Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 7 or any other earlier OS version, your device will not be affected by the MSDT Troubleshooter retirement,” Microsoft added.
I am in the process of updating my Windows installations in preparation for backing up prior to Patch Tuesday. I can confirm that wushowhide.diagcab has apparently stopped working on my Win11 machines. It still sees hardware updates, but no Windows updates (like the pending Preview).
I have moved to WUMgr for Windows Update control on Win11.
What does control monthly patches is a cleverly orchestrated and engineered portable 3rd party program called Windows Update Manager. (WUMgr)
Available as a zip: https://github.com/DavidXanatos/wumgr/releasesI’m sure many will agree, this little gem is a MUST in a live Windows toolkit to avoid/ hold off patches.
NOTE: Use instead of the proprietary OS vacuum Windows Update.
I use the Windows Automatic Update Manager (WAU Manager) which serves a similar function. No installation is required to use it.
Windows Update Manager was apparently last updated on December 2019, more than 4 years ago. Still working on Windows 10 and Windows 11?
Also the Microsoft Windows Update Show and Update tool (wushowhide.diagcab) has stopped working on the latest builds of Windows 11? Good to know, although since I am NOT going to run Windows 11 for a long time it does not concern me.
Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.
Windows Update Manager was apparently last updated on December 2019, more than 4 years ago. Still working on Windows 10 and Windows 11?
Like myself (Windows 10 22H2), lots of Windows 10 & 11 users who post here still use it and it works great. So the answer to your question is yes.
FYI, Windows Update Manager (WuMgr) is also a standalone app, just like WAU Manager, and doesn’t require installation.
InControl works on Win10.
If your computer is eligible for Win11, and you set it a Win10 and 22H2, it will keep you from being upgraded to Win11.
InControl DOES NOT control the Monthly Patch Tuesday Security Cumulative updates or other Windows updates such as .NET, Defender, etc.
Susan recommends upgrading to 23H2.
If you have InControl, click Release Control
Change Version=11 and Release=23H2, click Take Control.
Download the Enablement Package from here. You need the one for 64-bit machine. Follow the instructions below the link. It will be a short upgrade to 23H2 and restart.
About that upcoming EOL for W10 … M$ isn’t planning to brick W10 machines on that date, is it?
Myth. No way this happens.
Thus, I don’t trust that they won’t also try to force people to switch to W11 in 2025.
Not possible if your hardware is not eligible.
Most likely Microsoft will offer a ESU (extended service = updates for a subscription) like it did for Win7/8.1. Also 0Patch provides patches for a small annual fee 9they’re still patching Win7/8.1)
Most likely Microsoft will offer a ESU (extended service = updates for a subscription) like it did for Win7/8.1.
Microsoft did NOT offer an ESU for Windows 8.1. ESUs were/are offered for Windows 7 / Windows Server 2008 R2 / Windows Server 2012 / Windows Server 2012 R2.
And Microsoft has committed to offer Windows 10 ESUs to consumers :
https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/5/23988896/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-consumers-paid
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows
If you are an individual consumer or an organization who elects to continue using Windows 10 after support ends on October 14, 2025, you will have the option of enrolling your PC in the paid Extended Security Updates (ESU) program. The ESU program enables PCs to continue to receive Critical and Important security updates (as defined by the Microsoft Security Response Center) through an annual subscription service after support ends. More details including pricing will be provided at a later date.
We just don’t know how much it will cost for consumers yet.
Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.
You can roll back within 10 days but unless you did some sort of dual boot, you can’t run them side by side.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
hi heybengbeng
there is no “definite” release date for Win11 24H2 as it could come out either in late September or sometime in October and Microsoft has yet to provide the 24H2 ISO downloads on the Windows 11 download page
either way, you just have to WAIT until MS offers it thru windows update or from the Win11 download page.
no need to rush out & get 24H2
of course, download the 23H2 ISO image as soon as possible whenever you get the chance either from Microsoft or from here (which have the most up-to-date 23H2 ISO downloads with recent 23H2 updates applied to them)
just do it, Cybertooth…without any hesitation.
what are you waiting for?
I’m not waiting around for Microsoft to suddenly & unexpectedly replace the 23H2 ISO downloads with the upcoming 24H2 downloads, so I won’t get caught off guard.
it’s already Wed. Sept. 11 and so far Microsoft has not yet generally issued the 24H2 feature update thru windows update (except for windows insiders and for those who got recent copilot based pcs with pre-installed 24H2 in which those users will get new 24H2 based cumulative updates)
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