Monterey 12.3.1 and Photoshop Elements 2022

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I’m running a Mini Mac with an M1 chip, Monterey 12.3.1. Adobe Photoshop Elements 14 is on my older machines and for obvious reasons I want to bring on a newer version of the software to use on the M1 Mini Mac. From what I’ve read, Adobe is aware of the problems Elements 2022 has when downloading to the newest version of Monterey. Some users are reporting the M1 chip isn’t the issue and that it’s the updated Monterey 12.3.1 OS causing the conflict. Hoping Adobe can come up with an update to fix this. Anyone out there who can give more insight on this subject please feel free to post. Appreciate it.

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Try this : This free update fixes the launch issue on Mac OS 12.3

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I’ll know in a couple days if PSE and MacOS Monterey 12.3.1 play well together after applying the Adobe launch fix. Might also need to install Rosetta 2 for the Mac in order to run PSE 2022 since the program is designed for Intel vs M1. At least that’s what I’m reading. If the app ran natively no problem but it doesn’t. Stay tuned.

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Sounds good and once PE 2022 is downloaded I’ll make sure I have all the updates. I manually install rather than have it set for automatic updates on just about everything system and program wise. Will keep you posted on the results after all is loaded and put into action.

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Myst wrote:

If the app ran natively no problem but it doesn’t. Stay tuned.

Do Adobe apps work on Apple computers that use the M1 chip?

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Right, but as far as I know from some recent comments by users, at this time PSE version 23x (2022), does not run natively on an M1 chip. As it explains at the link you provided, for PSE current version you need to install Rosetta 2. And that’s fine. Maybe Adobe will update soon with the app compatible to run natively. In the meantime there is way to get it up and running. I’ll update in a couple days or so.

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My iMac and new MacBook Pro (M1) both did an automatic OS update to Monterey 12.4 and now my Photoshop Elements 2022 (and 2020) with not run. I can see the photos in Organizer, but as soon as I start to process and photos (even deleting photos) I get an error message saying the catalog is corrupted and that I need to do a Repair. Trouble is that the Repair function under Manage Catalogs was removed on Macos several versions of PSE ago.

Anybody know how I can get PSE to work properly on Monterey 12.4?

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Adobe seems to be notorious for running behind on updates to get PSE to run properly when Mac OS updates come into effect. Frustrating as it is, I’m thinking Adobe will come out with an update at some point (hopefully soon) to run in compatible mode with Mac OS Monterey 12.4. This has happened before and it becomes a waiting game. I’ve looked online at my usual Adobe links plus a couple Adobe user sites and found similar complaints with what you describe on the latest Mac OS Monterey 12.4. They have found no solution to their problems. I have not yet installed my 2022 PSE/Premiere Mac OS disk on my Mini Mac M1. Getting tired of hearing about issues with every Mac update being in conflict with PSE 2022. Just the way things are anymore. I’ll post when I install PSE 2022 and report back, but will wait to see what Adobe does in the way of an update. Wish I could be of more help.

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You probably don’t want to hear this, but my advice is to get rid of everything Adobe. Adobe caused nothing but headaches on my 2017 iMAC whether it was running Sierra, High Sierra, Mojave, or Catalina (no experience with Monterey). That goes for Photoshop, Photoshop Elements, Creative Cloud, anything to do with photo editing. Applications would hang, Adobe updates would fail, the computer would hang on boots and reboots, just an absolute spinning beach ball migraine headache. If you decide to get rid of it, though, don’t just drag it to trash, because that likely won’t work – it’ll keep trying to come back. Do some web research on how to do it. Also, amazingly enough, the Adobe web sites do have some useful info on how to uninstall their stuff, and I would definitely check there.

If you must keep it, their website may have some useful repair tools.

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@DrBonzo, are you aware of how to avoid Creative Cloud from installing when using a disc for PSE 2022 installation? I’ve checked all over the internet and from what I’ve noticed, Creative Cloud automatically installs with a subscription to PSE, I don’t have a subscription and don’t plan on using CC at any point in time whatsoever. But I’m wondering if manually installing the PSE 2022 disc, is there a way to avoid Creative Cloud from being installed? It’s a resource hog. Do not need it and it seems to cause other problems.

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I don’t usually use the iMAC I referred to. I just maintain it with security, browser, and other software updates. But what I do know is that the main user installed either Photoshop Elements or Photoshop either as a trial or for purchase. It was downloaded over the internet. That’s when Creative Cloud showed up in the upper right near the wifi, time and date, etc. It seemed innocuous enough at first but then it started showing popup windows requesting updates. I could ‘cancel’ but around the first of every month the computer would turn into an unusable piece of junk, requiring multiple reboots some of which took 20 minutes to get it back on track. I was finally able to trace it to Creative Cloud trying to update. I tried dragging it to the trash and that didn’t help; there were still a multitude of Adobe folders and files scattered all over the place. I used a combination of methods in the following links to finally get rid of it.

https://blog.fonepaw.com/cant-uninstall-adobe-creative-cloud.html

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/cc-cleaner-tool-installation-problems.html

The Adobe link assumes that you want to ultimately get CC back on your computer, so read the first link first which IMHO gives a better overview of what needs to be done to really get rid of it.

I did all this a couple months ago and it seems to have worked.

I’m not sure I’m really answering your question but maybe it’ll help.

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I don’t know what happens when installing from a disk. The main user of my iMAC (not me) downloaded PSE and CC suddenly appeared with it. I’m quite sure that every time CC tried to update it turned the iMAC into a chewed piece of gum. I finally found this on the Adobe site:

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/kb/cc-cleaner-tool-installation-problems.html

Read it carefully before doing any of it and make sure you go looking for the Library files and get rid of them. If any of them hang around they could come back to bite you. After you trash them, empty the trash and then reboot your computer. I did this a couple months ago and it seems to have worked.

FWIW, the main user of my iMAC likes Affinity. Costs about $50.00 and runs well on Catalina Intel-based iMAC

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Affinity vs Adobe PSE – Found a couple links giving a comparison of the two photo editing programs. Affinity runs very similarly to PSE, maybe better in some cases. For me the only small inconvenience is Affinity only offers an online software download. I prefer installing via disc. But for the one time price of about $50, it seems the best choice considering all the headaches Adobe is putting out with their apps. I’ve been an Adobe user since the early days of Photoshop. Still have PS 7 installed on the Win7. It’s a different world now.

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You could also try GIMP, which I think runs on MACs. It’s free but you do need to download it

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I have an older version of PSE on my Win 7 with Adobe Updater blocked. It works for just dinking around with photo cleanup and such. Certainly not equipped for professional application and projects over the internet. Thought when I purchased the Mac OS disc 2022 PSE it would be a nice start to running the current PSE program on my Mac Mini M1. Not sure I want to load the disc on my Mini based on what you’re saying here. Thanks for the info and advice @DrBonzo

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Perhaps this is relevant:

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb/photoshop-and-macos-monterey.html

Excerpt:

“Which Photoshop versions are compatible with macOS Monterey?
The compatibility of Photoshop with macOS Monterey can be summarized as below:

Photoshop 23.x is compatible with macOS Monterey (version 12) with these known issues
Photoshop 22.x and earlier have not been tested for compatibility with macOS Monterey (version 12)

You can choose to remain on your current version of macOS until these issues have been resolved. Adobe strongly recommends that customers do their own testing on a non-production partition to ensure that new operating systems work with their current hardware and drivers (printing, and so forth).

If you do encounter issues not already documented here, feel free to report them to our support community.
Are legacy/perpetual versions of Photoshop, compatible with macOS Monterey?

No, legacy/perpetual versions of Photoshop were not designed or tested to work on macOS 12.0 (Monterey). They are not supported in any way for use on macOS Monterey.“

Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
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@OscarCP – That was one of the first links I read awhile back. It doesn’t address the issue with specifics or current MacOS updates such as 12.4. It’s a general response by Adobe to cover their ‘off’ tracks. It’s a wait and see game if Adobe comes up with an update to run in compatibility mode with Mac OS Monterey 12.4.

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Myst: “It’s a general response by Adobe to cover their ‘off’ tracks. ”

True enough. My intention here was also to let other people know that they should be a little weary of what changing their current version of macOS to Monterey might mean for them, as far as their ability to continue fully using Photoshop is concerned. Adding, in this way, to Myst’s own detailed explanation of a particular problem. I am not convinced, after reading it, that looked in this way, the statement from Adobe is entirely without merit.

That is why I prefaced the comment with: “Perhaps this is relevant”, meaning to the wider picture. Sorry I wasn’t clear enough about that.

Ex-Windows user (Win. 98, XP, 7); since mid-2017 using also macOS. Presently on Monterey 12.15 & sometimes running also Linux (Mint).

MacBook Pro circa mid-2015, 15" display, with 16GB 1600 GHz DDR3 RAM, 1 TB SSD, a Haswell architecture Intel CPU with 4 Cores and 8 Threads model i7-4870HQ @ 2.50GHz.
Intel Iris Pro GPU with Built-in Bus, VRAM 1.5 GB, Display 2880 x 1800 Retina, 24-Bit color.
macOS Monterey; browsers: Waterfox "Current", Vivaldi and (now and then) Chrome; security apps. Intego AV

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Amazon review on PSE 2022 MacOS disc. Anybody want a free PSE 2022 for a Mac? Not for me no thanks. I have PSE 2014 on my older PC and MacAir. Both are pretty much an offline workhorse. I’ll find another photo/video editing program for my Mac M1.

Here’s the Amazon link if anyone is interested in reading more on reasons not to install PSE 2022 on a Mac M1

PSE 2022 Software – Amazon Reviews
Thanks “CM”
PSE Review posted by a former Adobe user back in December last year.
1.0 out of 5 stars “Adobe junk installed”
Reviewed in the United States on December 26, 2021
Platform: PC/Mac Disc – Verified Purchase
“I have been using Photoshop Elements since the early 2000s. I currently have PSE 2014 installed on another computer and got PSE 2022 for Christmas for my new MacBookPro M1 assuming similar behavior. First, PSE 2022 will not run natively on Apple M1 machines – it goes through Rosetta translation which greatly slows down the app. This is not satisfactory for a CPU intensive app. Adobe should have created a native PSE or clearly warn users of the Rosetta need in the description. Secondly PSE 2014 installed cleanly on my old computer, no junk added, but PSE 2022 added a long list of so called Creative Cloud Apps which are not removable as doing so renders PSE unusable. I now have a folder in Launchpad called Adobe Junk with ten, yes ten, Adobe junk apps whose purpose or functions are not clear to me or anyone, double clicking them does nothing. Further, I launched Activity Monitor and some of these apps, the main Creative Cloud for instance, are hogging my RAM even when not using any Adobe apps. This is also unacceptable. I know Adobe is trying to sell its Cloud services but I don’t need cloud storage, have plenty as is. I wish I could return PSE (I am going to try even though it has been over 30 days, just installed it today, Christmas day). I will do a Time Machine Restore using a backup from last week to get rid of this junk, I see no other way to clean up my machine. In summary DO NOT BUY PSE if you have a MBP M1. This will be my last PSE purchase.”

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Affinity sounds more in tune with what I need for my Mac M1 and from what I’ve read online, runs parallel with PS for photo editing features. Another user indicated Affinity can exceed expectations in editing tools compared to PS. I have my older versions of PS and PSE on two other devices. Not concerned just out a few bucks when I jumped too quickly and bought the 2022 PSE Mac OS disc. Thanks to all who gave advice and possible solutions.

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Since I suggested Affinity, I’ll also suggest that you check with them whether it runs on the M1 hardware. My only experience with Affinity is on Windows and macOS from Sierra through Catalina on Intel based machines, but not on M1 Macs

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@DrBonzo – Thanks so much for your advice and suggestions! Appreciate you taking the time in helping to solve this dilemma I’ve been in for a few months now. I will continue to use my older Adobe Photoshop programs on older machines but I want to keep my Mac Mini M1 running efficiently without a hog on resources, loading errors and file saves.

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@DrBonzo – It does run on Mac M1, checked that out yesterday.

Affinity and PS Comparison, System Requirements and Compatibility
“What [are] the system requirements for Affinity Photo?
The system requirements for Affinity Photo are less demanding than those for Photoshop. These are the specs you’ll need depending on what device you want to run it on.
Mac
OS: 10.9 Mavericks or later
Processor: M1/M1 Pro/M1 Max chip or Intel 
RAM: 2GB minimum
Storage: Up to 2.8GB of available hard drive space 
Display: 1280×768 display or better”

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2GB of RAM seems very low to me. But I don’t think you can buy an M1 Mac with less than 8GB RAM, so you should be fine – as long as you don’t edit 30 12 megapixel photos all at the same time.

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The M1 Mini I have only has 8 GB ram. So yeah, that should work ok. I can at least give it a try without risking time in working through fixes such as those for PS. Professionally speaking, Photoshop offers a good platform for photo and video editing. Which is why a lot of professionals in the video editing field don’t mind the subscription cost. But there’s frustration out there for high end Mac users over the compatibility issues Adobe has created.

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My iMAC is from mid 2017 and is the cheapest iMAC that was sold at the time. 8GB RAM, 5400rpm HDD, Intel i-5 (don’t remember the generation). The photo hobbyist in the family is OK with the Affinity performance with between 5 to 10 photos open at once, each ranging from 12 to as much as 20 megapixels. Beyond that, things start to bog down. But I would think that with the M1 chip and an SSD (can’t buy a Mac without a solid state drive now can you?) you’ll be fine with higher limits. My experience with SSDs on Linux and Windows 8.1 is that they really fly.

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That’s good to hear. I’ll post at some point when I get the photo editing software on my MacMini M1 loaded. There is only 256GB on the Mini but I bought a 1TB portable external SSD. I’ll let you know how it works! Thanks again @DrBonzo

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Benchmarking Affinity Photo on a Mac Mini M1 and Older Macs

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Well, rumor has it the Adobe PSE 2022 program works without a glitch now, whereas before there were compatibility issues seen in Adobe with Mac M1 machines. The following is more up to date with all the aforementioned details taken into consideration.

Now on to my current question. – Why would the following be an ideal setup as opposed to going direct from disc to download and install, on a Mac and/or Win PC? Anything to avoid going the Adobe route via site has always been my practice. Love the software hate the clutter of unneeded extensions and file abduction, hence the reason for purchasing the disc. And I’m not sure why he/she mentioned the legal aspect, when purchasing this PSE 2022 Mac/PC disc is sold up front off the shelf and not under the table, or at least was at one time, I have it and will not install until I’ve seen proof of its integrity as software I can control. One thing I did notice is Amazon is no longer selling this 2022 PSE disc. Amazon now has available “the PSE 2023 Mac/PC Box” version that has no disc. Rather, Adobe has you pick up the prepaid product key from their site to download and install. This seems to be a way for Adobe to latch onto their consumer one way or another, making it more of a subscription in that case. So much for having a disc purchase preference when dumping a bunch of money into a once upon a time viable product for photo editing.

Found this comment in question from a user for Adobe Photoshop Elements 2022 disc.
“I bought the PC/Mac Disc version of Photoshop Elements 2022 but I didn’t install it from the disc. Rather, I downloaded the latest installers for my Mac and for my Windows PC from Adobe’s website and used the serial number from the disc to validate them. I had zero problems installing it this way. This way I was able to legally install it on both machines.” User who purchased Adobe PSE 2022 disc.

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When I bought PSE 2020 it was a direct download from Adobe. Still works fine! Last time I used a PSE installer disc was around PSE 10 (2011) with a boxed version I bought at Amazon.

I have no concerns with the Adobe site, I just don’t care for software subscriptions. As long as they allow me to purchase a perpetual license, I’m fine!

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I’ll never know until I download and install the disk. Everyone has their own preferences with programs and apps, the type of device and operating system can make or break success at times when it comes to both sides of the updating process. Obviously I like Adobe software, have been using it for over two decades. Will dive in and see what happens. Thanks for your input @johnw, good to hear you’re managing well with Adobe. I hope to feel the same once the PSE software is up and running on my M1 Mac.

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