Microsoft says Windows 10 Creators Update is “the best an most reliable” version of Win10 for Enterprise

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Gregg Keizer has a classic takedown on Computerworld. I dunno what these guys are smoking. Have they seen the list of problems with the September patc
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Is it April Fool’s Day already?

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“Gregg Keizer has a classic takedown on Computerworld”

Takedown? How so?

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“Have they seen the list of problems with the September patch to 1703?”

The long list of two, both quite obscure?

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“You can now stream movies online 2.5% longer”

A whole 2.5% longer! Wow! Life-changing stuff. If this is a selling point it sounds like desperation to me. And if this is Win10 for Enterprise, do those enterprises want their employees to be watching movies?

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samak wrote:

And if this is Win10 for Enterprise, do those enterprises want their employees to be watching movies?

Many enterprise staff have to watch training videos.

But Microsoft didn’t mention enterprises or businesses.

Only ComputerWorld and Woody injected that emphasis.

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Even so, does anybody care that they can now stream movies online for 102 minutes and 30 seconds instead of 100 minutes (assuming you believe the claim, for which I haven’t seen any independent corroboration) ?

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Does anyone care what Microsoft says any more? For me their credibility and trust are shot.

My own personal experience: Windows 10 v1703 is the first Windows 10 version to stop taking updates for me – for no good nor documented reason – not once but TWICE now. Once at 15063.2something and (after a full reinstall it updated okay for a while but) now again at 15063.5something it’s failing. No business I can imagine would want to put up with this kind of undiagnosable failure.

I’m done wasting my time trying to keep Windows 10 up to date; it’s already clear I’m not going to adopt v1703 for my hardware. I’ll take another look at the fall Creator’s Update, but at this point I’m in no rush. Meanwhile Windows 8.1 continues to be stable and reliable for me, facilitates my work, and should be good for a few more years.

…most now rolling out Windows 10 have selected last year’s edition, 1607. But 1607 will drop off support — meaning Microsoft will stop providing security patches, bug fixes, and minor improvements — in March 2018. That’s just six months away.

Isn’t it clear that business A) cares about STABILITY and B) finds it difficult to roll out an OS company-wide? They most certainly don’t want “the latest features” forcing a re-deploy every 6 months! An operating system shouldn’t have “features”, it should be the foundation on which the business builds its own features. To do that they need time.

NO, Microsoft, in all seriousness there isn’t a viable business model where people just update Windows 10 for fun and profit. That sounds ridiculous, but apparently you don’t know that.

Turn that timeframe back around to a more reasonable 3 years again and businesspeople will take notice. Until then you’re just spinning wheels.

-Noel

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Add to constantly ‘upgrading’ every 1 year or so is the problem of hardware compatibility and peripheral support. I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth when a version refuses to allow the printers to work for example let alone refuse to update because the computer is too old according MS. That will get board room attention with a very angry reaction. Businesses mostly computers to accomplish their goals not MS’.

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My experience has not been that great with Windows 10. I am not in a position to know what enterprise thinks. But I got to think some question in enterprise how Windows 10 can work with a six month upgrade schedule. Besides the monthly patches and re patches and the completely botched fixes that just create more problems. At some point I guess Windows 10 will stabilize or reach critical mass and implode.

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Add to constantly ‘upgrading’ every 1 year or so is the problem of hardware compatibility and peripheral support.

Yes indeed.

It has crossed my mind that some unsaid incompatibility is why my Windows 10 VM won’t update.

Let’s extrapolate that to a hardware system. Let’s say a business has a reasonably good computer running Windows 10. Maybe it’s a laptop (which have more compatibility issues than dektops, traditionally).

Then, because of the policies at the company that made the laptop, no new drivers are developed for the next latest-and-greatest Windows 10 release. Boom, no upgrade possible.

Okay, maybe that would be acceptable; maybe the user could get along with their current Windows 10 version for another 2 or 3 years, because the computer is well more than good enough for their needs…

But wait! Their Windows is going out of support in a year.

A lot of companies don’t actually have the budget to replace everyone’s computer every few years. A lot of individuals I know don’t replace their computer every year or two either.

I sell software to people who use PCs. A majority of them are still running Windows 7. Some have upgraded their several year old computers to Windows 10, and wouldn’t you know it? THOSE are the folks submitting the majority of my customer support requests. Why? Mostly because their display drivers aren’t *quite* compatible with their hardware. Things that used to work have degraded… For example, dual GPU systems don’t really switch as they’re supposed to.

Generalizing, system integration problems are the next big difficulty people are going to face. Sure, a new machine may be very well-integrated when unboxed. But after a Windows 10 major version release or two what then?

This is nothing less than a fundamental incompatibility between reality, where a computer can and should last a number of years, and the “release a new Windows every 6 months then drop support in a year” policy.

-Noel

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I am able to manage the Win updates for the business. However, I have more problems than ever with them, more things to fix and I had to invest a lot of time to prepare tools to be able to keep a bit of sanity automating some chanhes after each updates. But mostly, I don’t see the value proposition. Yes, it is doable, but it is necessarily time consuming and the updates bring nothing that is remotely close to make up for that lost time.

Everytime I have to buy a laptop now, I think oh but now it will have to be on Win 10 and I am disappointed.

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And marketing wise, I am not sure at all the constant updates is a good idea. It makes every release boring and irrelevant, a small incremental update if lucky. Does anybody gets excited now when Microsoft announce a new Windows? I am not. It will draw my attention because I want to know what next thing they will mess up and I am scared I will have to work more, but besides that, I just wish they would forget to release a new version to give me a break.

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I have W10 AU on my company computer and W10 CU on my wife’s tablet. Honestly, if I’d need to quickly come up with ANY difference I notice in daily usage, I’d have a problem to think of anything.

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woody wrote:

Microsoft says Windows 10 Creators Update is “the best an [sic] most reliable” version of Win10 for Enterprise [sic]

I dunno what these guys are smoking.

I have exactly the same thought about you when you contradict yourself within a few weeks:

“I think you would be well advised, if you use Windows 10, to let Microsoft upgrade you to 1703 … for those of you running Windows 10, I don’t see a better alternative.”)

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Good point. I recommended upgrading from 1607 to 1703 because the patches in 1607 were so buggy. Now we have a metric ton of bugs in 1703. Can’t hardly win for losin’.

Seriously, how could they be beta testing the Win10 updates and let these kinds of bugs get through? Surely somebody must’ve noticed Edge crashing and HP registry conflicts. Surely.

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We have Insiders, haven’t we? What’s even more worrying, they can now break down even W8.1. Not that I would very much want to log to MS account, but that’s quite a serious issue.

Coming back to W10. There will probably never be a good version of W10 – maybe only least bad – LTSB.

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Now that everyone has had a chance to look at W10 and really get a feel for it…

Microsoft could make a real killing just re-releasing Win 7 instead of forcing it into end of life…

I’d buy a new computer, if it had a Win 7 OS. The companies that make computers would see a burst of new business! I’d pay for it again, to get (forget how many years before end of life) more time with it, on my current computer.

This is a great marketing plan! Businesses and home users, alike, would step up and be more than happy to have an OS that is stable, can be configured not to phone home, and has loads of software that works seamlessly with it. I wouldn’t have to learn how to work it and make it work for me. They could make all kinds of profit from it, because the development has already been paid for.

Hey, Microsoft… don’t lose out. Whip up a good marketing plan for Win 7 (2 generation) and all those people currently looking for a future somewhere in Linux distros will heave a collective sigh of relief. Those who are experiencing update trauma with W 10 will find themselves recovering their previous lives, just using their computers rather than struggling to keep them working. W 10 recovery groups could spring up all over, connecting people with the essence of their own lives, rather than as experimental subjects for Microsoft. Why, we could master a photo editing or graphics program, write poetry or short stories or a whole book, connect to social media, and play games… our lives could be ours!

Microsoft could still continue developing new and (someday, hopefully) better operating systems. When they are ready for market, they could sell them, too. Ready for use, not constant mangling and bungling of updates, and avoiding any adware within the operating system, being the key.

I do have a vivid fantasy life…

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Elly, this is such a SENSIBLE idea that I doubt the geniuses in Redmond would ever go for it.

I’d be delighted to pay for an OS that doesn’t phone home; that lets me decide which updates to install, when to install them, and whether to install them; and that lets me customize the look of the desktop and windows to please MY eyes and not those of some esthetically challenged UI expert wannabe.

That OS is called Linux, so I don’t even have to pay for it!  🙂

But seriously, Windows 7 fits the bill. Just bring it up to date to provide native support for emerging hardware technology, let the user opt to receive individual monthly patches rather than cumulative/rollup blobs, and maybe add (as options) some of the newer software features such as Cortana for those who want them. Users could then get what they want and avoid what they don’t want. What’s not to like?

 

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In this new era of computing, I think at some point it will become clear that the question of trust has ruined computing as it has been before. When you have to worry about nations including your own having access to your corporate secrets or your personal data, that you start to question which third-party code you can run depending on where it has been coded or not, that you are not sure you can trust your primary OS code supplier, that you don’t feel in control at all anymore, that you fear your constantly updating OS is constantly adding vulnerabilities that are known to some and can be stolen, that even open source code and popular commercial solutions downloads regularly gets injected with rogue code, where do you go?

Can you continue using an OS that gives every program you download and authorize almost complete control over the executable code of the OS? An OS based on a model of segregation will be needed to do serious work without too much risk at some point. The walled garden store idea is not enough. But who can you trust to provide what is needed? This whole cloud idea just exacerbates the problem.

You need to go back to the basic: a stable set of software including the OS from entities you trust, updating only for security. But who do you trust now?

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By reading Computer World’s article, now I know where that Windows version numbering comes from. yymm. Basically they’ve just copied Ubuntu’s way.

Wow, Microsoft still inovates the same way they did back decades ago! Hello Windows!

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I am just a home/office user at the bottom of the food chain from Microsoft’s view so my opinion probably means nothing to them, but I see a corporation and a product that losing, and going to lose more, customers like me. Can big business alone keep Microsoft going?

I would think not if their internet connected computers are reduced to a crawl while Win 10 “checks for updates” as my often is.

So far my only contact with the Creators Update is a recent pop-up message from MS telling me that I need to check my security settings before the update arrives. What that means and why are not explained.

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So far my only contact with the Creators Update is a recent pop-up message from MS telling me that I need to check my security settings before the update arrives. What that means and why are not explained.

That patch is to bring the security and privacy Settings Panes into line with the (version 1703) Creators Update presentation. I did that patch and was thereafter offered the 1703 upgrade download on both of my Windows devices.

If you’re able to set a Metered Connection, the updates might not interfere so much with other Internet usage needs. And setting up Quiet Hours also helps for many folks. Both of these features are improved in the Creators Update. Especially for the Pro Edition, where control of when you receive updates is also improved.

Generally, the upgrade is well behaved in my experience, in spite of post-upgrade issues with the Windows Store on my tablet (special case, as it’s a WIMBoot Device). It’s worth the effort to do this upgrade, IMHO. YMMV.

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But 1607 will drop off support — meaning Microsoft will stop providing security patches, bug fixes, and minor improvements — in March 2018. That’s just six months away.

I thought the cutoff date was October 13, 2026, since this was a LTSC? Or am I just missing something here?

I’m currently running 1703, but if 1709 is going to be a LTSC then I want to upgrade to 1709 and then block any upgrades to newer versions of Windows, but install any security updates that come my way for the next ten or so years. Can I install those updates via Windows Update or do I have to get it from the Update Catalog myself? I’m running Windows 10 Home. It doesn’t matter if I have to go through the update catalog to install updates; I just want out from the stupidly aggressive update cadence M$ is on.

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If you’re not on the LTSC, then the March 2018 applies to you. I highly doubt that manually installing LTSC updates from the catalog will update a Home edition.

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