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It seems the leaked windows 12 iso are true. Windows 12 will be a cloud base OS.
Say good bye to your privacy and data. MS will be able to steal everything without needing tel-spyware now.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1969519/microsoft-is-working-on-a-cloud-based-windows-os.html
Say good bye to your privacy and data. MS will be able to steal everything without needing tel-spyware now.
From the article: “The idea of losing your computer’s full capability the moment you move away from a robust broadband connection will be a hard sell.
Whether Microsoft is still interested in this cloud-based push a year later, as it tries to shove “AI” into every press release, isn’t known.”
I’d say it’s highly unlikely on a consumer level.
I’d say it’s highly unlikely on a consumer level.
I dearly hope that you’re right.
However, given Microsoft’s record over the last decade of pushing unwanted features and policies onto individual customers, I am not very hopeful about the effectiveness of customer pushback against a prospective Cloud Windows. For better or worse, large customers in private enterprise, government, and academia will likely be a much bigger factor in determining what Microsoft can get away with.
With all due respect, Microsoft builds their operating systems for businesses. Businesses with secrets. The idea that telemetry is there to steal your information is overbroad, unproven and not for business.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
The enterprise edition of Windows is different from consumer editions, though. A large percentage of the bad stuff that exists in the consumer editions (Home especially) is not there, or can easily be disabled by group policy (which every business of any size likely uses anyway) in the enterprise edition.
Microsoft has already demonstrated that nothing is off-limits when it comes to monetizing consumers, and given the examples of Google and Facebook, it can’t be denied that there’s big money in surveillance capitalism. Microsoft can easily gather and sell this information for further monetization of consumers without affecting their corporate customers. Whether they will do this on a broad scale remains to be seen, but an even “cloudier” Windows would be a perfect cover for it. The Google/FB/Amazon experience has already shown that people will accept the spying if they’re told its purpose is to bring them wonderful new personalized services, and a “cloud” OS (which people are already told that Windows 10 and 11 are) is the perfect vehicle for that.
It would not surprise anyone to have data thievery going on with consumer cloud services… it would only really surprise people if there was none. Any inherent distrust of Microsoft right off the bat is well warranted, given their actions of the recent past, and it’s easy to see where they could abuse this.
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There are still a ton of business users including yours truly that only runs Pro. The idea that Microsoft can or will steal anyone’s data intentionally again, does not reflect the reality that they are in the business of selling to other businesses.
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
With all due respect, Microsoft builds their operating systems for businesses. Businesses with secrets. The idea that telemetry is there to steal your information is overbroad, unproven and not for business.
I agree there. If telemetry were collecting any personally identifiable information then it would fall foul of all sorts of privacy legislation (GDPR, CCPA and the like). Even in a business environment, just because you can disable everything, it doesn’t mean that everyone has. It would be too risky.
That said, the idea of a cloud OS for consumers is a step too far for me if it meant losing the ability to use the device offline or paying a subscription to use it.
Again this is not good business practice.
Agreed although unfortunately, bad practice is business also.
C’est la vie
Microsoft uses Azure not Amazon Web Services (AWS), and yes when they are down you don’t get to your computer. You still have to have a THING – an operating system of some sort to get to said cloud.
Also that (traditionally called thin client) still has to connect to local printers, devices, etc.
There is vendor hype and then there is the reality.
The concern for me personally and my business is less of spying and more of cost. Anytime anything of mine goes subscription model, it’s better for the company that I’m buying from, not so good for me.
On a regular basis the cloud – like any computer – has issues. Some are noticeable, some are not.
You get used to checking https://status.office365.com/
or the twitter page
Microsoft is working on something doesn’t mean it will come to full fruition. Just look at the File Explorer in Windows 11 for evidence of how they are “working” on things.
Sounds like I should do something on “what does a cloud OS really work like”?
Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher
Windows C2R?
It would not surprise anyone to have data thievery going on with consumer cloud services… it would only really surprise people if there was none.
At least as concerning as potential data thievery, are the actual cases of customers’ being summarily locked out of Microsoft accounts and denied access to their own data, actions taken with but vague explanation and little recourse.
Anybody inclined toward skepticism on this point might do well to check out the following discussions on Günter Born’s website: here, here and here.
Has Microsoft changed their TOS or their appeal procedures since then in any way relevant to this kind of case? If not, then there’s no reason this could not keep happening.
What do you imagine Microsoft will do with your property when they deprive you of it?
Being an ex MS worker, I know exactly what they do. I was given direction from my manager how to use it to make profit from MS.
With all due respect, Microsoft builds their operating systems for businesses. Businesses with secrets. The idea that telemetry is there to steal your information is overbroad, unproven and not for business.
MS loves businesses secrets. These add huge profits for them. I assist with making them money until I decide to quit after got more unethical use of users’ data.
At least as concerning as potential data thievery, are the actual cases of customers’ being summarily locked out of Microsoft accounts and denied access to their own data, actions taken with but vague explanation and little recourse.
MS just like gmail others, lock their customers accounts for specific reason or per government request. Only businesses users are very rarely lock out to get specific tasks carryout before letting them back in. This was one of my tasks as MS and finally made me turn in my papers and leave.
Anybody inclined toward skepticism on this point might do well to check out the following discussions on Günter Born’s website: here, here and here.
A fascinating read on Günter Born’s website. Thank you, @Cybertooth. I had no idea there were so many cases of MSA lockouts.
I worked for the telecom company as a listener of calls and took notes so I have similar experience. Now computes took over that work.
I had a similar job in Netherlands but it was for the government. I retired around the time computers were coming in. Glad that I get my pension from this job. Many young and middle age people have no idea how the world works. Privacy is not there. Now with computers and cell phone, it makes things easier for them. But most post everything on social anyway without thinking how it will impact their future self.
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