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    Hi Woody.

    It looks like Microsoft will be dropping Windows 10 S in place of a new Windows 10 S “Mode” sometime later.

    http://bgr.com/2018/03/07/windows-10-s-mode-microsoft-confirms/
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/7/17089850/microsoft-windows-10-s-mode-changes-2019

    Windows 10 S was a failure from the start.

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    • #173209

      I personally think that Microsoft could have made 10 S work for corporations. 10 S was a tightly-controlled ecosystem. That’s the kind of system you want in a corporation. If they would have set things up so that a particular corporation could “rent” secure space in the Microsoft cloud, and then set up 10 S to access only the authorized part of the Microsoft cloud, that is, the part your company is renting, it would have been a perfect solution for small corporations who can’t afford to have their own IT departments. The secure space that a company rents could include the Microsoft Store, such that all needed corporate apps could be included in the company’s secure space that is allocated to them in the Microsoft Store, so that if an employee needs to install an app, he would get it from the Microsoft Store. Nothing else in the Microsoft Store would be available to the user, so the company wouldn’t have to worry about an employee installing non-authorized programs.

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      with Windows 10 running in a remote session on my file server
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      • #173287

        That is a very cooperative ecosystem you have described, MrJimPhelps. It certainly includes many beneficial features for all parties. You would think Microsoft would like both having a captive audience, and the positive image created by the united flow of purpose.

        However it would require Microsoft to acknowledge the subordinate needs presented by each of these new partners. This has not been Microsoft’s strong point for a few years now.

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        • #173666

          Microsoft is the one who came up with the idea to have 10 S. It boggles the mind that they don’t heavily market the benefits of 10 S for small and even medium sized corporations.

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    • #173222

      @ EP

      This latest news seems to confirm this earlier 5 Feb 2018 news article … https://www.pcworld.com/article/3252103/windows/microsoft-making-windows-10-s-default-with-new-versions.html ,
      ie from 2019 onwards, all new OEM Win 10 computers will likely come preinstalled with Win 10 in S mode or Win 10 S. Win 10 S can be upgraded to Win 10 Home for free and to Win 10 Pro for US$49.

      This way, M$ hopes to push more computer dummies to their Store and make $ome more money.
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      With their new OEM Win 10 Volume License pricing, M$ will definitely be making more ca$h out of computer buyers since the specifications of most budget new OEM Win 10 computers will fall into the Core pricing of US$65.45 per license, eg Intel Core i3 or >/ 128GB SSD or >/ 15.6″ screen.

      Previously, each OEM Win 10 Home & Pro license cost the buyers only about US$30 & US$50, respectively. This means new OEM Win 10 computers will cost more.

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    • #173375

      http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-switching-out-of-windows-10-s-mode-will-be-free-for-all/ (8 March 2018)

      From 2019 onwards, all new OEM computers will come preinstalled with Win 10 Home or Pro in S mode. They can then be upgraded to Win 10 Home or Pro for free.
      ___ Of course, M$ prefer that buyers won’t upgrade.

      Previous to this new OEM VL policy, new OEM computers came preinstalled with Win 10 Home or Pro.

      Problem is, after the free upgrade, when you reinstall, you will likely end up with Win 10 in S mode again.

      • #173420

        So I wonder… will we see a return to Microsoft using their monopoly status to force their OEM customers to follow this edict?  If HP, Asus, Acer, Lenovo, Dell, etc., were to choose to pre-upgrade the machines they sell to full Windows status (so that their customers will not be confused by not being able to run Windows programs on their new Windows PC, which in turn will reduce the call volume to their tech support staff), will MS again threaten to withhold Windows from them (good luck selling PCs without it) unless they toe the line?  In this case, they’re not using their monopoly to unjustly harm a competitor, so their lawyers may have decided that it passes legal muster.

         

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        • #173451

          will MS again threaten to withhold Windows from them (good luck selling PCs without it) unless they toe the line?

          This time around, there are very valid alternatives. This might be just the thing to get vendors to start putting Linux on their computers. And if a big vendor (like HP or Dell) offers Linux at a reasonable price (Dell offers Ubuntu on new laptops, but those laptops are very expensive), it could really get things going for Linux.

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    • #173490

      Hey Y’all,

      Edit: Sorry, this is a bit repetitive but I thought I report it anyway.

      According to an article in today’s Washington Post MS is going to Bake Win 10s features into all versions of Windows allowing you to switch in and out of S mode. The article cited Paul Thurrott’s blog as the source.

      HTH ?

      May the Forces of good computing be with you!

      RG

      PowerShell & VBA Rule!
      Computer Specs

    • #173622

      I guess I’m not as Leading Edge on this news as I thought. I saw it earlier today on The Verge via Google Newsstand on my Android. They link to a Windows Blog entry about this from Joe Belfiore, Corporate VP, Windows: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/03/07/windows-10-s-mode-coming-soon-editions-windows-10/. I also emailed this to Woody; I asked him “Didn’t Redmond learn their lesson with Windows 8 RT?! Guess not…”. S Mode supposedly starts with new computers on Version 1803 (Spring Creators Update).

      UPDATE to the update: So S Mode isn’t coming until 2019 (Version 1903)?! Joe says “Starting with the next update to Windows 10, coming soon, customers can choose to buy a new Windows 10 Home or Windows 10 Pro PC with S mode enabled, and commercial customers will be able to deploy Windows 10 Enterprise with S mode enabled.” (Emphasis mine.)

      Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
      Wild Bill Rides Again...

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