Microsoft claims “more than 900 million devices” running Win10

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That’s what the official By the Numbers site says. That number includes Xboxs, HoloLenses, and refrigerators — but doesn’t include virtual machines.
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I am happy to hear that Windows 10 is being used to run millions of Xboxes, refrigerators and other such gadgets. Although I am more interested in what is going on with its use in computers that one can put on a table, or on one’s lap, and type away on their keyboards, browse with them, do Internet searches, send and receive emails (attaching, when necessary, photos of cats playing the piano) and write code to create new applications or, in my own case and that of many others in a similar situation, software to analyze data and, or do calculations for which there is no available code or executables that can be obtained elsewhere — something that, for me and those other people, is the case practically all the time.

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Does Microsoft really have to brag, when a significant chunk of Windows 10 adoption was obtained by tricking people into accepting something that they already said no to fifty times (because Microsoft strategically didn’t give them a “stop asking me” checkbox)? Especially since Microsoft offered a phony apology after doing the above. When Microsoft couldn’t get users to break down and accept Windows 10 by asking them with pop-ups, Microsoft just reprogrammed the GWX dialog so that clicking the red X gave them consent to install Windows 10 anyway. Ask anyone, even if they don’t know the native language and they will tell you that a red x symbolizes “no”, “stop” “don’t”. Especially when Microsoft already asked these users to install Windows 10 with pop-ups fifty times before.

It’s kind of like a burglar apologizing for what he did. and then a couple years later, bragging about his fancy big screen TV. I will say this. What Microsoft did regarding the GWX program was unacceptable and unforgivable. I’ve converted platforms full time as a result, and I’ve converted two other people. I will be converting a third when Windows 7 expires. In times gone by, these people would ask me for help with Windows, and I now simply refuse.

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anonymous wrote:

Ask anyone, even if they don’t know the native language and they will tell you that a red x symbolizes “no”, “stop” “don’t”.

The X was never red. Hovering over the X at top right of any Windows window says “Close”.

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So some people just getting started with Windows 10 and I am already done with it! Too bad these newbies were not around for the wonderful first four years.

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Isn’t the reason people buy computers a bit of a chicken egg question? Do they buy a computer because they want a {PC Brand} or is Windows 10 the prime consideration? For example, would people still buy their Lenovo, HP, Dell, Asus or Acer if the manufacturer decided to install a different OS and market the advantages as being the reason they decided to switch?

Doesn’t that make the unspoken implication that people choose Windows 10 over alternatives overblown?

 

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Anonymous #1963595  : “would people still buy their Lenovo, HP, Dell, Asus or Acer if the manufacturer decided to install a different OS and market the advantages as being the reason they decided to switch?”

Maybe, who knows? One reason for sticking with Windows and accepting the switcheroo to 10 is that of using something that looks and feels familiar enough, as well as the possibility to use the old applications one is used to have around and, or needs to use. That is, I imagine, what makes some people move to Windows 10. Only afterwards adopter’s regret may set in…

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The OS is a shorthand for the software ecosystem. But for most home users and some business users there is no real reason to favor one OS over another. What they are doing is generic and there is decent software available for these tasks in any OS. So if Dell, Acer, etc. started to push another OS as an alternative with an attractive price I believe many would buy and actually like the experience.

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woody wrote:

That number includes Xboxs, HoloLenses, and refrigerators

Microsoft didn’t mention refrigerators.

Paul Thurrott said (in a comment answer), “It’s PCs, Xbox One consoles, HoloLens headsets, Surface Hub devices, IoT devices, and probably more.

But yes, mostly PCs.“

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b: IoT devices include refrigerators.

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If Windows 10 refrigerators are common, could you find one and let me know the price?

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b: I strongly disapprove of any and all IoT-linked “smart” appliances and gadgets. So I am not going to tell you, or anybody else, which ones are there for sale, or where, to save you and others from making the terrible mistake of then rushing in headlong to buy them.

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Come on boys, please… let’s keep it civil

 
Microsoft ‘doubles down’ on Windows 10 for IoT devices
By James Walker | February 28, 2018

 
Microsoft has announced an expansion of its Windows 10 variant for connected Internet of Things (IoT) devices. The company is extending Windows 10 IoT with support for new processor families, which will diversify the applications it’s suitable for.

NXP processors
Windows 10 IoT Core was released back in 2015 as a specialist version of the operating system. Unlike the regular Desktop and Server editions, IoT Core is a scaled-back release designed for connected appliances, smart devices and Internet products that live on the edge. It’s a way for developers to run a Windows platform on power-optimised industrial devices.

 
Read the full article here

Windows 10 powered Home Appliances – A new look at Microsoft’s Internet of Things (IoT)

 
Imagine the Fridge in your kitchen having a Windows interface, the one which you have been familiarized with for a long time. Doesn’t that make your work easier and gives you greater insight? Everything, from setting the temperature to checking how many items are left in the fridge can be done remotely. Having the Windows core installed you can have custom apps on the device as well, checking the weather for instance, or setting up your calendar.

 
(shows refrigerators, microwaves with embedded Win10)
First published: 25 Oct 2015
Last updated: 28 Feb 2016

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Kirsty wrote:

Imagine the Fridge in your kitchen having a Windows interface,

(shows refrigerators, microwaves with embedded Win10)
First published: 25 Oct 2015

Four years later, I think we’re still imagining them.

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[Sessh]

Nope. LG makes them and go by the “Instaview” name. They cost a little over four grand and have been on the market for at least three years. No imagination necessary.

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They’re not listed on the LG InstaView page:

https://www.lg.com/us/instaview-refrigerators

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The last thing I need is an IoT refrigerator (or washer and dryer, for that matter). I just want appliances that works.

Imagine if you will an IoT washer and dryer. What benefit do I gain from those machines being connected? Unless I have a robot that can load the clothes into the machine when I’m not at home, I will never have any need to operate the machine remotely.

I never change the temp on my refrigerator; I set the fridge and the freezer at the temps that I want, and then leave them set that way. I have absolutely no need to set the temps remotely.

At the risk of posting a rant, let me say that while I have no interest or need in operating my appliances remotely, someone else might. And who might that be? The government? A hacker who is installing ransomware? The local grocer, who wants to see what is in my fridge so he can send me ads for the stuff he thinks I need? As RFID chips become more widely deployed, it is conceivable that your refrigerator will one day know exactly what is in it and show you a complete list of whatever is still in the original packaging.

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And still no signs of that 1 Billion Windows 10 OS copies all actually installed(1) on those devices and more folks still trying to avoid Windows 10, if possible, until 2023 when even Windows 8.1 will no longer be an option. I’d really like to see an individual devices type breakdown on Tablets, Phones(Really), PCs, Laptops, and gaming consoles(lots there on XBOX)/other devices. And now that’s pushed out to 2020 and, if made in 2020, that’s only because Windows 7 for consumers will be EOL.

But really I’m only interested in PCs/Laptops numbers and that’s going to be interesting to compare between Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8.1. And I suspect that loads of those Remaining Windows 8.1 “OEM” license keys still in the retail channels will become rather popular for a short while until supplies dwindle.

Just License Keys being activated for windows 10 is not a good enough metric as many folks did that and went back their previous image, be that 7 or 8.1, and there will have to be some cross checking on that as well.

“At the Build 2015, before the release of Windows 10, Microsoft stated that they would have Windows 10 running on 1 billion devices within three years of the release of the OS. At roughly the one-year mark, the company said that they have 350 million devices running the platform but that will not be enough to reach their publicly stated goal.” (1)

(1)

“Microsoft Concedes It Will Miss Its One Billion Windows 10 Timeline”

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/72900/microsoft-concedes-will-miss-1-billion-windows-10-devices-goal-timeline

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So far as home users at least are concerned, they got Windows 7 despite having to buy it, while they got Windows 10 because they were given it. Big difference!

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The vast majority bought Windows 7 AND Windows 10 with a new computer; no big difference.

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Exactly.

And I’m sure that they are counting the woefully underpowered low-priced Windows 10 laptops into the total – you know, the ones with 32GB or 64GB internal drives.

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No folks where satisfied enough with Windows 7  and that OS giving the user a more complete control over their own PC/Laptop hardware that they did not mind paying for Windows 7! While for Windows 10 and its forcing and useless-ware foisting along with the telemetry and ad pushing could not be even given away to some folks who cherish their privacy and control.

Windows 10 will forever be known as the MS OS that only gained market share as the result of attrition and some nefarious foisting tactics that tricked folks into installing that OS.

When all the new PC/Laptop hardware comes with Windows 10 installed and that’s been so for around 5 years then one would expect that number. But still it took a few years for Windows 10 to even surpass Windows 7 in those numbers and still to this day more folks that is usual are still on windows 7, or are trying to purchase a windows 8.1 license key, and stave of Windows 10 until 2023.

Let’s see what the final plan is for Redmond for Windows 10 after 2020 when there is not enough more that it is willing to do to get that last 100 million with MS really closing Windows 10 off and SAAS-ing/OSAAS-ing things up to the monthly subscription business model. Just look at what’s about to begin after Windows 7’s EOL and even those that happily accepted 10 will have that freebee OS installer’s remorse  when that all goes the monthly billing cycle direction.

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woody wrote:

Microsoft claims “more than 900 million devices” running Win10
That’s what the official By the Numbers site says.

Where have I heard this before: “millions and millions”…. etc etc ?
But does running here means *without faults and failures*?

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Fred wrote:

Where have I heard this before: “millions and millions”…. etc etc ?

There’s a “billions and billions” song; could that be it?

Fred wrote:

But does running here means *without faults and failures*?

No. A small percentage of the 900M occasionally encounter a temporary problem.

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“Billions and billions” was used repeatedly by Carl Sagan in the TV series “Cosmos” when describing the immensity and mysterious grandeur of the physical universe. The issue here is rather less cosmically significant and inspiring. Perhaps (just a wild guess) more about some people making lots and lots of money any old way, come what may? And maybe, just by sheer statistical necessity coming out, occasionally, with something somewhat useful, such as might be, let’s say Windows 10? Is that a fair thing to say? Well, not quite. But a somewhat close, if imperfect, description of what goes on these days,? Well, quite likely yes, it’s that.

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The number could be off by two or three or ever four hundred million, but that isn’t the point.  The main question is, for whom are developers going to write code?  It’s primarily going to be for the 500 – 900 million devices using the Windows kernel and API’s, isn’t it?

Do Windows 10 updates cause problems for some users?  Yes, they do.  Do Windows 10 updates cause problems for all users?  No, they do not.  I’m the “friend who knows about computers” that used to get a lot of calls for help with Windows.  I haven’t received such a call in over a year.

My oldest son was asking me what he could do about his WiFi signal not reaching throughout his house.  I told him to get an extender, and he ordered one from Amazon for about $40.  A week later I was there on a visit, and asked if he had installed the extender, and he said he had, but WiFi still didn’t get to his bedroom.

I re-positioned his router away from a concrete wall, and started walking through the house checking the signal strength with my Windows phone.  On 5GHz, I lost the signal in his bedroom, so I switched to the 2.4GHz band, and got three bars.  I told my son to change bands on his laptop to 2.4GHz, and it should be good.

He opened his hp laptop to make the changes, and I asked him what version of Windows he was running.  He said, “I don’t know.”  I checked, and it was Windows 10 Home.  I asked if he had had any problems with his laptop, and he hasn’t had any; said, “It’s good.”  He’s had it for well over a year.

The sky isn’t falling on everyone.

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bbearren wrote:

I’m the “friend who knows about computers” that used to get a lot of calls for help with Windows. I haven’t received such a call in over a year.

I’m that guy too, but everyone that used to need help with Windows in the past has moved on to mobile devices.  It’s been a while for me too.

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It is absolutely true that Windows 10 is more user friendly and results in typical users needing less help. However, the type of help they used to need was rarely a real, tough, issue and more typically user error or simply not knowing how to do something.

My mom uses Windows 10. She uses about 3 programs and customized nothing, so of course nothing breaks. Her only complaint was that her laptop was laggy. I checked and it wasn’t unusually laggy. But it’s noticeably worse than the old operating systems she’s used to. She has minor annoyances, nothing like what happens to heavier users like me. And nothing like what happens to former Microsoft employee and performance expert Bruce Dawson, who often blogs and tweets about inane performance issues and regressions. Not including a link because I think it’s against the rules or something (had one deleted before), but easy enough to find on google.

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75% of that time is from doing 114,801 reads from one file, average read size of 68 bytes.

If you’re an average user who only uses a couple of programs and has a supported OEM computer, you’re not going to run into anything terrible. Windows 10 is as easy as using a phone for these users, and that’s definitely an impressive accomplishment on MS’ part.

If you’re a power user and strip away the misfeatures like the new start menu, and avoid the new features in general, you probably will do okay. Unless your hardware just doesn’t get along with Windows 10.

But if you’re a power user who wants to actually make heavy use of the new features, you’re bound to run into something weird.

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“Microsoft claims “more than 900 million devices” running Win10”

And 9 Billion devices running Linux/UNIX/BSD…

Every single Windows PC in the world is using/connected to a Linux.. device.

About 2 years ago at Microsoft’s developers convention Microsoft stated that Windows has 14% OS marker share. Now Microsoft has ~less than 10% OS share.

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Alex5723: “About 2 years ago at Microsoft’s developers convention Microsoft stated that Windows has 14% OS marker share. Now Microsoft has ~less than 10% OS share.”

The issue here, as I see it, is penetration, actual and potential, in the computer and computer-operated mass market, which, at least in some minds, subsumes the fantastic notion of IoT as The Coming Next Big Thing. As it has been proclaimed to be just about every year, in one form or another, since the 1990’s. Dream on!, I say; dream on… Having the porch and living lights connected over the Internet so you can turn them on or off from your cell phone when away on travel, so it looks to evil-doers’ eyes as if there is people home, or using your cell phone to watch your house’s main entrance using a video camera connected in the same way, those are two of the very basic things that can be done now. Having your fridge making lists of groceries and ordering them through Alexa and getting you what you really want (and need!) without you even asking for it? Well…

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Alex5723 wrote:

Every single Windows PC in the world is using/connected to a Linux.. device.

Even those not connected to a network?

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b wrote:

Alex5723 wrote:

Every single Windows PC in the world is using/connected to a Linux.. device.

Even those not connected to a network?

Probably Yes, connected to an iPhone, Android, Smart TV, set top box… all running “Linux”.

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I assumed you meant all and permanently (which was implied by “every” and “is”).

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everyone that used to need help with Windows in the past has moved on to mobile devices.

No, they haven’t all moved on, they’ve added devices.  Everyone I know has a mobile device, too.  Might even send an email now and then, but they depend on their PC’s to get work done.

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I’m -1 this year. I finally gave up on W10M.

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Alex5723 wrote:

And 9 Billion devices running Linux/UNIX/BSD… Every single Windows PC in the world is using/connected to a Linux.. device.

Not a realistic assessment.

That’s like saying that there are more cell phone towers than there are cell phones.

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bbearren wrote:

Alex5723 wrote:

And 9 Billion devices running Linux/UNIX/BSD… Every single Windows PC in the world is using/connected to a Linux.. device.

Not a realistic assessment.

That’s like saying that there are more cell phone towers than there are cell phones.

Look around in your home at how many “Linux” devices you own (router, Smart TV, Home Cinema, cable set top box, smartphones, …). Than look out : Your ISP’s switches, servers, traffic light systems, Internet servers…

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Is there any point to this thread? It seems to have degenerated into a ‘my dad is bigger than your dad’ argument. Personally, I use Win 10 and I couldn’t care less what OS runs on any boxes it connects to. Just as long as they work. And for me it all just works. I’m not going to use Win 10/Linux/Apple/whatever because they say they have more ‘whatevers’ than anyone else; I’ll use it because it suits me. So please stop this pointless arguing. There’s just too much of it around at the moment.

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access-mdb: “Is there any point to this thread? ”

While I don’t disagree with you, I am also aware that this is a thread about a controversial statement made by MS and, well, it reflects the resulting controversy, as it must.

The best way for, let’s say you, not to be bothered by it is, well… not to bother with it. Meantime, people here are reasonably free to spend as much time as they feel they need discussing this or any issue that is acceptable in a forum at Woody’s, perhaps to no avail, but why can’t they? Well: they can, so they do.

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OscarCP wrote:

… I am also aware that this is a thread about a controversial statement made by MS …

What was controversial about the fact that “There are more than 900 million devices running Windows 10”?

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The precise meaning of that claim in terms of the number of PCs running Windows, I would guess, from reading what people have been writing here. Am I wrong about that?

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As Microsoft didn’t break it down into PCs and anything else, and no one else has a clue about that, I still don’t see how their original “claim” can be regarded as controversial. It’s a straightforward fact.

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… and let’s leave it at that, OK?

We’re creating a lot of heat, and little light.

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If one is using a Tablet/Phone there really is no reason to need Microsoft for that and it really should be about specifying the Windows 10 PC/Laptop OS numbers for the most part as that’s where MS has its traditional consumer general purpose PC/Laptop OS market share that’s most directly affecting the most folks outside of MS’s gaming console/gaming appliance related windows 10 related numbers.

It’s not like that XBOX platform could be used for general computing workloads outside of that gaming related ecosystem anyways so that sort of windows 10 environment is restricted to some non general purpose computing functionality.

As far a tablets are concerned if Apple would brand at least one iPad SKU that comes with the full MacOS then that’s at least one other fully functional OS based Tablet option to go up against MS’s Surface line of products.  iPadOS looks to be an interesting start by Apple in that direction so there can be Tablets with more desktop OS like functionality and some  more options for some consumers.  Apple’s in-house custom ARM ISA running CPU core designs are really close in the benchmark numbers to the x86 mobile devices numbers so maybe we are close to seeing some Tablets and Laptops  running MacOS on some non x86 Apple A  series SOCs.

Nearly 5 years on from Windows 10’s release and any mention of 1 billion really has not much significance now that the 3 year deadline that MS set in 2015 has come and gone. And reaching 1 billion after Windows 7 has already gone EOL(Jan 2020) will be a rather Pyrrhic victory anyways achieved via attrition. And 7’s EOL  seen as being the major reason of the “Sucess” of Windows 10 by most folks anyways if in fact that 1 billion is reached in 2020.

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b wrote:

They’re not listed on the LG InstaView page:

https://www.lg.com/us/instaview-refrigerators

Unknown on their refrigerator support page, either:

“Currently we do not have Windows 10S Compatible devices.”

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