Microsoft and TikTok – a match made in Clippy heaven

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I don’t have any particular words of wisdom to add to the ongoing debacle, except to say that Microsoft is very, very good at killing its acquisitions
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Does this mean we have to install the chinese language pack? :s

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One can always trust Apple, Google, Facebook, and Twitter are clean.

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I hear ya… but this is a troubling move in a direction MS has long downplayed – collecting individually identifiable information about people.

I can’t think of any other reason for MS to buy it – and Tom seems to implicitly agree.

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MS is the only suitor. Facebook? Europe will have a field day–“antitrust”. Google? Zero (or even negative) relationship with the Chinese. Apple? Don’t bother, just too busy.

MS’s track record is it is unable to turn the collected data into INFORMATION. Otherwise, we would not have the Windows Update H***. I fear how my banks use my information more than MS.

 

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The US was looking to ban TikTok due to its ties to the CCP.  They probably offered Microsoft a deal on the product so they can backdoor in.  Microsoft then gains part of the Chinese market that I don’t think they’ve played much of a part in yet.

 

 

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I mean, look what they did to popular streaming platform Beam/Mixer. Acquired Beam which objectively was a better product than Twitch, rebranded it to Mixer, and then what two or three years later shut it down pretty suddenly, forcing streamers who built a pretty good community there to go to either Facebook Gaming or Twitch.

So they had all that consumer data right there and then fumbled the ball.

Or maybe that’s not how it really happened, but what I observed as a consumer on Mixer.

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I dont know what they want to do with Tik-Tok. Will they let them continue in what they begun or will they dictate them what to do?

Data is the most valuable resource right now. And Microsoft is good gravedigger. He burried lot of good ideas, that seemed to have bright future after brave public announcements – integrating cortana everywhere, then pull back. UWP was not success too, even if it lives until these days. Windows mobile is another example..
But google is not different. Look at Google cemetery, there are lot of thigs I liked – google+ for example.

I wish they focused on good stable OS. MSFT really does not listen to customers, he lives in a some kind of bubble, or there are just too many people at MSFT who think that eveybody around is worng and they understand better. Why not if legally they sell half-baked product. Service. Sorry.

From the pHrozen-Ghost link:

This new structure would build on the experience TikTok users currently love, while adding world-class security, privacy, and digital safety protections.

Which basically means ruining the Tik-Tok. Maybe its interntinal to let MSFT ruin something that actually works. Since its more political problem as stated in the same article by MSFT:

Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President’s concerns. It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury.

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This seems to play right into the hands of The Donald …

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/31/tech/tiktok-trump-bytedance-sale/index.html

Byte me!

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[Alex5723]

This is old news.
Nadella has called Trump and now Trump is changing his mind [Ed – WL]

Following a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and President Donald J. Trump, Microsoft is prepared to continue discussions to explore a purchase of TikTok in the United States.

Microsoft will move quickly to pursue discussions with TikTok’s parent company, ByteDance, in a matter of weeks, and in any event completing these discussions no later than September 15, 2020. During this process, Microsoft looks forward to continuing dialogue with the United States Government, including with the President.

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/08/02/microsoft-to-continue-discussions-on-potential-tiktok-purchase-in-the-united-states/

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anonymous wrote:

I fear how my banks use my information more than MS.

MS uses your information more than your bank and passes that information to the FBI, NSA,…

Microsoft shared Indian bank customers’ data with US intel

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It has not really seemed that MS was all that interested in the consumer market for some time, other than for Xbox.  The level of abuse they’ve dished out to consumer-level users of Windows doesn’t scream “We value you and want to keep you as customers.” You don’t make valued customers beta test their own paid software on behalf of corporate customers, nor do you put ads or other monetization efforts into software that isn’t free (as in beer). It has looked to me, since the start of Windows 10, that MS had one last use for Windows consumers, and that was to use them as a stepping stone to the mobile market (where they would be much more interested in consumers).  Once that failed, it just seems as if consumer Windows is moribund, with MS focusing everything on the enterprise sector.

I don’t really know, or particularly want to know, what TikTok is, other than that it has something to do with vapid, mindless video content, and I had no idea MS was involved with them until just now, but it is a bit strange to me. I am not sure what their interest is, but I do know that there’s a good chance that TikTok is on borrowed time from this point forward.

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consumer Windows is moribund

You just made my day. I thought its czech endemic.

I had no idea MS was involved with them until just now, but it is a bit strange to me.

Im not sure, but I think first Tik-Tok announced he is looking for bussiness partner and Microsoft saw this as opportunity.
Could it be that Microsoft was caught like a fish on fishing rod?

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Donald Trump: US Treasury should get cut of TikTok deal

Donald Trump says the government should get a cut from the sale of TikTok’s US unit if an American firm buys it.

The US president said he made a demand for a “substantial portion” of the purchase price in a phone call at the weekend with Microsoft’s boss.

He also warned he will ban the app, which is owned by China’s ByteDance, on 15 September if there is no deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53633315

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Microsoft is where good software goes to die. Proven again and again and again.

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Canadian Tech wrote:
Microsoft is where good software goes to die. Proven again and again and again.

What about Winternals => Windows Sysinternals?

And kids still seem to be playing Minecraft…

Hope this helps.

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What about Winternals => Windows Sysinternals?

That’s totally because of Mark Russinovich.  He refused to join Microsoft unless they guaranteed to not fix it if it ain’t broken.

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The only reason for TikTok is Sarah Cooper…

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Totally agree. See how MS messed up Skype once it bought it. Skype now is unusable in the current form. Plus MS Teams has totally messed up the beautiful source code that was Skype.

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beautiful source code

Unless you are willing to create webpage. Skype + NetBeansIDE = disaster. They are blocking port 80 for each other.

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anonymous wrote:

The US was looking to ban TikTok due to its ties to the CCP.  They probably offered Microsoft a deal on the product so they can backdoor in.  Microsoft then gains part of the Chinese market that I don’t think they’ve played much of a part in yet.

 

 

Once MS makes the acquisition, I fully expect the “Great Firewall of China” to be fully invoked. The leadership of the PRC will only care about their iron grip on information, even at the full detriment of their own entrepreneurs.

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China will not accept U.S. ‘theft’ of TikTok: China Daily

China will not accept the “theft” of a Chinese technology company and is able to respond to Washington’s move to push ByteDance to sell short-video app TikTok’s U.S. operations to Microsoft, the China Daily newspaper said on Tuesday.

China had “plenty of ways to respond if the administration carries out its planned smash and grab”, it added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-tiktok-china/china-will-not-accept-u-s-theft-of-tiktok-china-daily-idUSKCN25002I

The buy move won’t go through without the approval of Chinese regulators.

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Czech media came with news, that US will ban TikTok in the middle of September. Is this information correct? This was really quick transition from bussiness friends to arch enemies. Was MSFT trying to “buy” all that data, that TikTok gathered?

https://www.svethardware.cz/tiktok-zneuzival-chyby-v-androidu-tajne-ziskaval-mac-adresy-uzivatelu/52853

I was also surprised, that TikTok was using bug in Android system and sent cyphered MAC address to TikTok servers.Also TikTok gathered data on iOS. They say…

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doriel wrote:

US will ban TikTok in the middle of September

The POTUS will issue an executive order banning US companies from dealing with TikTok and related companies. This is not a ban on TikTok but it means US property owners renting property to TikTok will be penalised, etc. What this means for TikTok’s 1000 or so US  employees is anyone’s guess.

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[Alex5723]

doriel wrote:

MSFT trying to “buy” all that data, that TikTok gathered?

Yes. Microsoft wants the hundred of millions users data collected.

There is a debate if Trump can order Apple, Google… to remove Tik Tok from their app stores all over the world or just in the US.
Meanwhile Tik Tok has turned to US courts to challenge Trump’s order.

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The situation is still compicated, despite all government tries, TikTok still remains strongly rooted. Wonder why they do not ban it on government employees phones and tablets? Seems like its bigger problem that it looked on the first sight.
I ve read, that some court rejected to ban TikTok, since there is lack of evidence in this case. If USA is so sure, that TikTok is gathering data and sending that to China, why they do not pass these proofs to the court?

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