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anonymous
GuestSeptember 18, 2018 at 8:46 pm #218221It is not unreasonable to delete temporary files as function system maintenance. A small stub program could check free space and use an integrated stripped down section of the disk cleaner utility for the cleaning task. Microsoft should be consider compressing OS files not used for one month first, then if need be larger user files to gain space.
I bet some folks’ download folders look like a hot mess like mine used to, so users do need to evaluate whether files need to be kept there.
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AskWoody Loungeranonymous
GuestSeptember 18, 2018 at 7:13 pm #218209Not Microsoft caused but recently I found 34Gb of files in the temporary directory of a 128Gb SSD. It happened to coincide with the Defcon 4 and the space consumed prevented one update with no warning. As well as checking available space before attempting update, a good OS would clean out all its temporary files on restart.
anonymous
GuestSeptember 18, 2018 at 7:42 pm #218212anonymous
GuestSeptember 18, 2018 at 7:45 pm #218213RE full disks, an unexpected source of problems- I have a 250GB SSD and one time I had a full disk when there was no good or apparent reason. After looking for conspicuously large directories, turns out I had turned on “Trace Logging” for Kaspersky Anti-Ransomware and it had filled up my disk with many GBs of logfiles in a fairly short amount of time (ie months not years).
Now I just run Windows Defender (on 1709) as Woody suggests, mainly for the tracking reason. Bad enough if Microsoft does it in the OS without adding other sources (leave alone the problematic politics of the day).
EyesOnWindows
AskWoody LoungerSeptember 18, 2018 at 11:01 pm #218230It’s their own stupid fault! Back when I ran Windows NT 4.0 I was able to install and maintain it on a single 420 MB drive. Then along came Windows 2000 and I couldn’t even install it in 1GB! Each version keeps getting further bloated in size and find myself using less and less of what gets installed. Features I used to use get removed or hidden away, everything I do use gets scrambled around and more useless features keep getting added that cannot be removed. Right now any usable code is shown by DIR /A C:\Windows\System32 which together with drivers is just under 2GB and DIR /A C:\ shows 1.3GB used for the page and swap files. I’m not convinced that most of the rest of the space isn’t just simply wasted by the 32GB installation. Certainly I kept none of it when I installed version 1803 recently and I absolutely wouldn’t dream of backing any of it up! What an absolutely bloated mess…
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BobbyB
AskWoody LoungerSeptember 18, 2018 at 11:41 pm #218234Well when I open “My Computer” it shows just how much at a glance, the disk Size, Contents (quantity), in all my Partitions, VHD’s, Network Drives and USB’s within a second. M$ seriously want us to believe that this ability cant be included in a an upgrade or they must know through their all snooping Telemetry?
I know if you try a clean install on a Disk with inadequate Disk Space, it will tell you in no uncertain terms “Nope!” As Woody, rightly, points out what in Heavens name are they doing selling 32GB Machines with Win10 bundled if they are going to persist with this upgrade “Merry Go Round” its folly in the extreme.
As for getting you to store files in the “Cloud” or on other storage media, well that blatantly ignores the fact that One Drive only gives you about 5GB’s free version, and do you really want to travel with a pocket full of USB sticks or have a collection of them on your real Desktop? Of course for those on limited Data access storage in the Cloud is a none starter any way as well as not every connection these days is exactly lightning fast.
SYSPREPPING a Win10 image typically takes a 45GB Partition or VHD(X) other wise the disk gets full, after all the Drivers, updates, Office, one or two useful Progs’s 7zip and the like, and that’s not even intended for daily use.
Poor excuse M$ and you should know better than that if your willing to force these, mostly, unwanted upgrades on us when the Machines just aren’t up to it, but we have to have them right? even if it means crashing/Bricking/never ending install, a working machine virtually in the first place.
As an amusing aside years ago, if you remember, M$ released a little util for checking if your Machine was capable of running Win10. So for “Fun and Giggles” I ran it on my old Laptop circa 2000-2001 (Win2k, XP vintage) not a problem! the M$ Util. proudly proclaimed, on a 40GB, 32bit (x86), 1.4GB ram with an ancient Raedon Xpress 200M Graphics card, well Win8 didn’t share its confidence and so I figured Win8.1 and upwards was out of the question.
Mercifully it still happily “chugs” along with Win7Prox86 and Office 2010. and that Suits me fine 😉1 user thanked author for this post.
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Klaas Vaak
AskWoody LoungerSeptember 19, 2018 at 1:43 am #218243@BobbyB: I like you little anecdote at the end. There is a valuable lesson in there: why upgrade or throw away a system & configuration that works, even if it is old or no longer receives security updates.
I worry a lot about the time when my Win 8.1 will not receive security updates anymore. I do not want to upgrade to Win 10, and although switching over to Linux would be the obvious thing to do, I dread it because of the amount of time involved, time I would prefer to spendon doing more enjoyable things like read a book.
Maybe I’ll just keep chugging along with my old system after 2023. I know I will eventually have to bite the bullet and the decision cannot be postponed once that old “chugger along” gives up the ghost.
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geekdom
AskWoody_MVPSeptember 19, 2018 at 7:06 am #218274Related and applicable as your best resource is you:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/things-to-do-before-making-system-updates/On permanent hiatus {with backup and coffee}
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anonymous
GuestSeptember 19, 2018 at 1:06 pm #218348@Geekdom offers a link
Related and applicable as your best resource is you:
https://www.askwoody.com/forums/topic/things-to-do-before-making-system-updates/That guide stops right at the point of this topic. Your last bullet point is to check for updates. In order to cope with this subject you would need to add steps to complete process. Having checked for updates and viewed the projected size, now evaluate the additional overhead needed for swap space. Continue to remove unwanted items, or add storage until required size is available. Then begin download and install.
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AskWoody LoungerSeptember 19, 2018 at 7:17 am #218276Yeah small storage fine for Chrome OS it was designed to use a small storage design because the system is designed to use cloud storage and perform updates without residual older files remaining. Windows is absolutely the worst example of a OS being able to handle twice a year upgrades and retain the previous release on the local storage for days until it is removed by user or disk cleanup. Incredibly PC makers go along with this bad practice because they could care less. You buy a cheap PC and don’t realize the pitfalls that’s your problem.
MrJimPhelps
AskWoody MVPSeptember 19, 2018 at 7:53 am #218288I have an idea what Microsoft could (and should) do to address this:
1. Don’t allow a new PC to be sold with Windows 10 installed if the internal drive is less than 128 GB. It is unconscionable to sell a brand new Windows 10 device with an internal drive as small as 32 GB. For the average user, 128 GB is the minimum that they will know how to deal with when Windows updates happen.
2. Prior to downloading any updates, Windows should check the available space, and if there isn’t enough, pop up a window which will allow the user to choose where to delete files. Then delete those files for the user; don’t make the user figure out how to do it himself.
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Jan K.
AskWoody LoungerSeptember 19, 2018 at 11:34 am #218327Two questions? Lemme give it a try….
So… could somebody tell me why Windows can’t check before stepping in the ooze?
Intelligence is something in the clouds, way above down-to-earth problems like these minute details…
Nothing would be easier than to check free disc space and nobody knows better how much space is needed for the selected/forced download than Microsoft, so the question boils down to a matter of will. And care for
victimscustomers…Microsoft lacks both will and care.
Would somebody also tell me why Microsoft ever allowed “Windows” machines to be sold with 32 GB of storage?
Better profit margin… and have now offered a helpful link how to deal with such a small disc.
The hardware division probably have no idea of what Windows 10 is. And based on bricking updates offered so far, one can only conclude that no one at Microsoft are using these machines…
From Ms link:
Uninstall apps you don’t use anymoreLike the twice a year force-fed apps from you?
There! At least I try! 😀
anonymous
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MrJimPhelps
AskWoody MVPSeptember 19, 2018 at 1:38 pm #218356
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AskWoody_MVPSeptember 27, 2018 at 1:45 pm #220101Yesterday Microsoft posted an article called Windows 10 update issues on devices with low storage space.
This Microsoft article appears to have been re-written today in a much shorter and simplified form:
Windows 10 update issues on devices with low storage space
Symptom is now “error message” instead of “fail”.
Cause is now “will display an error message” instead of “does not check systems for adequate space requirements”.
I’m not surprised it was re-written as it was very poorly worded previously (and some recommended steps made no sense).
In my opinion the quality of Microsoft’s documents is worse than the quality of their updates.
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