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With Win10 version 1909 now (… checks watch …) 12 days old, I figured it’d be a good time to come up with an Airing of Grievances for the latest v
[See the full post at: Know problems with Win10 version 1909]

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I only count one problem, the File Explorer search box issues 🙂

it’s really bad unfinished feature, and they should give an option to disable it and return to old style

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abbodi86 wrote:

I only count one problem, the File Explorer search box issues

I’m guessing this is hardware or driver-specific, as none of the 1909 boxes I’m using display the same problem, and that encompasses a variety of display adapters and drivers.

Btw, sometimes it feels like problems are reported here the same way a non-mechanic Twitter user might report a problem with their vehicle:

“My vehicle [brand/model/engine/transmission/repair history/error messages/operator competency/etc. not mentioned] isn’t going fast enough even though I’m on the flat, straight, and newly-paved section of [insert irrelevant highway number and location here] and my [unnamed vehicle] even has RED paint! Why can’t [insert vehicle manufacturer name] test this junk before they sell it to poor folks like me?”

“Get off my lawn” seems appropriate this morning.  🙂

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It’s great that the Enter key to fire up a search in file explorer works at your end. Unfortunately, that’s not the case here, because the Microsoft yuppies messed up.

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Good morning from NYC. [Well, it’s raining pretty steadily, but we could use the rain, so it’s a good morning.]

I have seen only one bit of weirdness: On occasion — and it really seems to be intermittent — when i click on the search icon in the lower left and start to type the name of the file or app i want to access, one or two messages appear at the top of the search results, telling me that one or both of my Microsoft accounts need verifying. They don’t. Clicking on the messages doesn’t do anything, by the way, except get rid of them. Not a problem, just clearly a bit of sloppiness somewhere in someone’s code.

I almost wasn’t going to post this, but it does also give me the opportunity to gripe [again] about Microsoft and accounts. I read your very helpful posts about local accounts. I have gone with an online account, but i also am stuck with one of those onmicrosoft.com accounts because of my Office 365 subscriptions. And apparently there is no way to consolidate things easily.

I have problems with Apple, too, but at least their Apple IDs can be consolidated (provided you didn’t create them for overseas stores, as i did in my travels) or deleted fairly easily (as i did with the overseas ones, now that i’m back in the US).

Leave it to Microsoft to make a mess of something as simple as machine logins and accounts.

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Sorry … i just had one more observation about one important change on my machine since purchasing it back on March 3rd of this year (2019). I wanted a machine powerful enough to do the quant finance and mathematical work that i do, so i bought an HP Omen 880-030 with an AMD Ryzen 7 8-core processor and a reasonably powerful graphics card (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070) for playing with PyCUDA. [It’s a gaming machine that glows red, and — yes — i am so ashamed to have something like that under my desk.]

I’m a bit anal about specs, so i’ve been keeping an eye on things from the beginning. I was dismayed that steady-state CPU utilization when the machine was basically idle hovered around 6% or 7% before upgrading to 10 64-bit Pro, and then 9% or 10% after the upgrade.

One positive development that i have seen is that that number has dropped over the Windows 10 upgrades, to the point that idle steady-state is now consistently 3% of total CPU.

So despite the hash that Microsoft has made of its releases lately, perhaps some of the developers in the core of the OS have been doing some useful housecleaning.

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In addition to known problems, here’s news you can consider a problem or not: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-confirms-the-windows-10-november-2019-update-is-not-the-new-normal/.

According to MSPoweruser, Win10 1909 is a one-off occurrence. Our hopes of yyH1 (yy = year) being a major feature update & yyH2 being a “Service Pack” seem to have been dashed. M$ putting Win10 on the Azure schedule probably nailed that coffin shut. Actually, I & others are probably pleased that 1909 wasn’t a big deal. MSP acts like it was a disappointment to users & Micro$oft, quoting Redmond:

There isn’t a formal plan in place to deliver future releases in the same way

When Woody gives the okay for Version 1909 to schlub Home users like me, I have to fish or cut bait: Upgrade & go through the usual M$ feature update horrors, or stay on Win8.1 while researching the best Linux distro & associated app replacements to move to by 2023 or earlier.

Bought a refurbished Windows 10 64-bit, currently updated to 22H2. Have broke the AC adapter cord going to the 8.1 machine, but before that, coaxed it into charging. Need to buy new adapter if wish to continue using it.
Wild Bill Rides Again...

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You don’t know me from a hole in the ground, and adherence to ethical standards forces me to admit that my best years are behind me … but i would encourage you to take a long look at Ubuntu. True: it’s been around for a long time, but my equally long experience with it is that it hasn’t grown bloated over the years. Installation and upgrading are a breeze, and you might consider adding another hard drive and installing it as a dual-boot system, as you make the transition. I’ve found Ubuntu dual-boot to work wonderfully well on a range of machines from under-powered laptops to high-powered workstations.

On the other hand, if you want to be cool and hang with the NextGens, you want to take a look at Mint. But i think Mint requires you to have at least one tattoo and one piercing before it will install. [You’ll want to check me on that before heading to an ink den.]

Good luck with your Linux journey!

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WildBill

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If you want to stay on Windows then it’s  8.1 until 2023 and that’s because Windows 10 is a constantly moving target that’s always going to see usability suffer in the name of the new and shiny. So if you are not very willing to become another BETA in MS’s brave new QA/QC world it’s 8.1 for consumers after Jan 2020 or get up to speed with Linux and put MS into the rear view mirror.

I’d say maybe Dual Boot Linux and Windows 8.1 if possible or if you have some older PC/Laptop that’s not really being used I’d give Linux a try on that machine and Keep 8.1 for any Windows only related software that’s not readily available on Linux.

Any of those Windows 8.1 “OEM” license Keys still in the retail channels are currently very affordable, even the 8.1 pro editions with more features available. And MS sill has to honor any remaining 8.1 license Keys that remain.

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Yeah, the disavowal of the new update pace worries me, too. But you have to consider that 20H1 will hit RTM in the next couple of weeks.

I have no idea what we’ll see in 20H2, or when it’ll ship.

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20H1 RTM in December is only to sync internal development with Azure schedule. Release to the public is still expected to be Spring 2020. RTM and public release are no longer aligned evidently.

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woody wrote:

Mauro Huculak at Windows Central has an enormous compilation of upgrade problems and solutions:

… and zero comments in 12 days from any users actually experiencing any of those issues:

Did you experience any problems updating to the latest version of Windows 10? Tell us in the comments, and the steps you followed to fix the issue.

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A bug in 1903 with standard user inability to manage “Printers & scanners” from Settings seems to have carried over to 1909 although with slightly improved results. It appears 1909 now gives the standard user the ability to manage some of the “Printers & scanners” from Settings but for others the buttons for the selected device are still unresponsive which is how they all behaved in 1903. Maybe by Windows 2004 they’ll have it all sorted.

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The update of my 1809 domain machines went ok with one exception. My htpc had an incorrect sata driver installed. Windows installs the intel driver that matches the chipset but it’s so old that it thinks my 3.75 tb hard drive is actually .75 tb. Then I get WUP errors on all the large HD’s on the computer. Had to change it to the MS std. sata ahci driver (this is not new, it does it with every upgrade).

The main issue I’ve had so far (and I saw this in 1903 test installs) is the random need to start the MS Virus and Threat Protection. I’ve seen this on all domain computers at various times. Not very good security if the AV randomly turns itself off (no errors were logged either).

The single biggest annoyance is the ‘Grouping’ of files in my Downloads folder and Windows 10 constantly changing it back after I set it to the way I want it.

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MikeMc wrote:

The single biggest annoyance is the ‘Grouping’ of files in my Downloads folder and Windows 10 constantly changing it back after I set it to the way I want it.

That was a really silly default for Microsoft to set since version 1903, especially without any announcement. But I haven’t previously heard of that setting coming back after being turned off, and Group by in Downloads remains unset for me.

You’re changing the Downloads View to Group by (none)? If so, the return to default could be caused by using Disk Cleanup or Storage Sense to empty the Downloads folder (and that should go away next year).

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… by the way, we apparently have to change the Group by option separately for Save As dialog boxes by right-clicking a group or background in Downloads during a Save As, and selecting Group by (none).

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Works for me.  The search was successful.  I did notice that clicking the right pointing arrow to the right of the search box seems to do nothing but pressing the enter key after entering the search text does.

My overall impression of version 1909 is good.  That’s a subjective judgement.

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puggers wrote:

I did notice that clicking the right pointing arrow to the right of the search box seems to do nothing

It seems to take two clicks on that arrow for me, as the first just dismisses the history dropdown.

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Well, it’s awfully early yet, but I just cannot believe that, having a little time on my hands (and the boredom of the “impeachment” hearings all over TV), I actually decided to bite the bullet, say a prayer, and upgrade my two 1803 PCs to … drum roll, please … 1909! (I know, I know, but bear with me here, please) I’ve so far only found ONE small problem with the upgrades, that being that my wife and I have a few old WIN 7 casual games we love to play, so I used the Win7Games4Win10 program from Winaero to install our favorites on our WIN 10 PCs. That program didn’t “carry over” to 1909 with the upgrades. But it was a small matter to re-install them on both PCs, and now all is well again.

Now, let me say that I did not upgrade through Windows Update. I made an iso file with the Update Assistant and put it on a USB stick. I disconnected from the Internet to do the installations, re-connected and installed all the updates with WUMGR, as I always do with the monthly updates.

If any more problems crop up, I’ll post them here, but so far (fingers crossed), so good.

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I’m on 1809. It was offering me 1903, but now, I’m being offered 1909. Will I have to reinstall all of my apps and lose my files? I really don’t want to lose my files/apps. Is there any way I can upgrade to 1903 still, without losing my files and apps?

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Using Windows Update, it should do an in place upgrade, keeping your apps and your data.
It will make a windows.old folder on your HDD with a copy of your files that will remain for 10 days. If you find anything missing, you can retrieve it from there.

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anonymous wrote:

I’m on 1809. It was offering me 1903, but now, I’m being offered 1909. Will I have to reinstall all of my apps and lose my files? I really don’t want to lose my files/apps. Is there any way I can upgrade to 1903 still, without losing my files and apps?

Create a full image copy of your system before the OS upgrade. Keep the image safe on an external device.
You can use a free backup application like Macrium Reflect.
Don’t forget to create a rescue media (usb, cd,…) as a first step.

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I go into step-by-step detail in my latest Computerworld article.

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Microsoft is blocking Win 1909 (and 1903) on some PSc with AVG and Avast antivirus apps.

Issues with some older versions of Avast and AVG anti-virus products

Microsoft and Avast has identified compatibility issues with some versions of Avast Antivirus and AVG Antivirus. Any application from Avast or AVG that contains Antivirus version 19.5.4444.567 or earlier is affected.

To safeguard your upgrade experience, we have applied a hold on devices with affected Avast and AVG Antivirus from being offered or installing Windows 10, version 1903 or Windows 10, version 1909, until the application is updated.

Affected platforms:

Client: Windows 10, version 1909; Windows 10, version 1903
Server: Windows Server, version 1909; Windows Server, version 1903

Workaround: Before updating to Windows 10, version 1903 or Windows 10, version 1909, you will need to download and install an updated version of your Avast or AVG application. Guidance for Avast and AVG customers can be found in the following support articles:
Avast support KB article
AVG support KB article
Note We recommend that you do not attempt to manually update using the Update now button or the Media Creation Tool until a new version of your Avast or AVG application has been installed and the Windows 10, version 1903 or Windows 10, version 1909 feature update has been automatically offered to you.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/status-windows-10-1909#322msgdesc

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[cptomes]

We’ve got medium sized business clients still running 1809 pro.  Those will age out in 6 months.  Will 1909 upgrade in place torch their installed apps?

 

Keeping track of this clown circus/laurel and hardy storyline is why I became a school bus driver supervisor ten years ago.  Less stress.

Hey look! Another Feature Update!

You mean I shouldn't click Check for Updates?

Where is the Any key?

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My test box went from 1809 to 1909 and didn’t immediately seem to have lost anything significant. Well, except maybe a bit of performance.

Though I still haven’t tested quite everything… such as long term stability, that’ll take a while anyway…

Some file associations went to “do you still wish to use this application?” but the old application was still there to be picked. Also the older version of PowerShell started advertising PowerShell Core 6.

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I performed a clean install of 1909 from an iso on a PC for a client and I’m seeing slow shutdown and reboots, even after updating everything on this particular system to current levels  (BIOS, drivers, OS etc).

Research shows that I’m not the only one seeing this issue:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/e042wt/windows_10_1909_slow_shutdown_and_restart/

 

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Regarding 1909, I’ve experienced the countless issues with the search bar, but I’ve also experienced new issues with sorting after a search.

If I search for video files and sort by “Length”, the number of files is accurate and all the files shown are correct. If I sort by “Name” or “Size” the number of files is still accurate, but the list of files actually contains duplicates and is not sorted properly. Some files are omitted entirely.

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woody

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Günter Born reports on a bug acknowledged by Microsoft:

Thunderbolt devices on the dock may stop working under certain circumstances. This affects all supported versions of Windows 10, but it occurs only in rare cases.

 

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Well at least I’m not getting GDI+ error messages as much as with 1809.

Though there’s something else funny with the screen handling… if using “Switch User” functionality, windows get rearranged to different physical screens seemingly at random? Also flipping one physical screen causes some applications to flip on other screens as well?

And then there’s definitely something going on with antialiasing.

Could all be just graphics driver problems of course. Intel HD 4600 GPU, manufacturer tools say driver is up to date.

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Based on the description, fingers point to your graphics driver – but the HD 4600 driver should be solid by now. You would think.

What do you mean by “flip”?

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woody wrote:

What do you mean by “flip”?

Well, rotate 90 or 180 degrees… I have the laptop panel and two (external / DisplayPort through dock) on the right side of that. Take a maximized application on the rightmost screen, rotate that physical screen, and then press the hotkey to match logical orientation to physical. Middle screen topmost application rotates too… some 30-50 % of the time.

Yeah, weird.

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woody

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File Explorer search not working in Windows 10
I have seen this issue at a few of my customers so far.

Here is what I found about it but looks like MS did it again. Getting very old being the Beta testers for them.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/file-explorer-search-not-working-in-windows-10/3c70ea75-79a8-4f3b-b10a-86be1f22931c?page=5

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-1909-kb4517245-update-causes-file-explorer-issues/

Edit: HTML removal – Please use the ‘Text’ tab in the post entry box when you copy/paste

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My 1909 File Explorer context menu item “Send to” :
– One subitem: “Documents”.
– Becomes populated with subitems that are all of the partitions of
external USB HDD while it is connected.

Anyone else have anomalous “Send to” ?

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1) No longer does Start screen search interpret “File Explorer” as the executable.

2) File Explorer shortcut pinned to taskbar, configured to open in “Maximized” window, opens instead in “Normal” (smaller) window.

 

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[geek]

I use many  Properties keyboard shortcuts to start programs, etc.  Since upgrading 1809 to 1909, only website shortcuts still work.  I create a new shortcut to start a program and behold – it worked!  Where does Windows look for ‘shortcuts with shortcuts’? I’d like to put them all together for easy maintenance.

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Another laptop upgraded to 1909 wouldn’t even handle a newly created keyboard shortcut (CTRL+ALT+K). Both use standard (non-admin) accounts, so I checked a laptop using the default Admin account and keyboard shortcuts work fine <sigh>. I guess this is one of the many annoyances I have to put up with after switching to standard accounts.

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Easy fix – find keyboard shortcuts used by Windows using http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/utility/shortcutkeys/  Just remove duplicates and reboot. I feel a bit sheepish.

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Known Issue with BitLocker Key rotation for Windows 10 1909 devices in Intune

whatever that is

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Since the update, my computer wakes up every day around 10 AM (it could be worse..), Using “powercfg/lastwake” in a command shell I found it was waking due to a scheduled task:
‘NT TASK\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator\Universal Orchestrator Start’

It appears that an Admin account running Task Scheduler (Admin mode) can’t edit or disable the two apps that contain “wake to run” settings. In other forums, people have found that various “fixes” get reset by Windows.  This acts like malware. The worst thing is that the computer STAYS ON ignoring any sleep times you have set in your Power & Sleep setting.

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woody

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Do you have links to the other articles?

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Reddit had the most comprehensive testing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/cg001l/windows_10_1903_computer_keeps_randomly_turning/?st=k48wr7e4&sh=ee3ea24c

Microsoft Answer had lots of feedback:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update/disable-update-orchestrator-from-waking-my/19272430-f41f-4947-904c-71ab34b220f0

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I would give you ways to disable those task, but they will be get re-enabled by Windows Update during scans (scheduled or not)
not to mention the WaasMedicsvc service, aka Windows Update Remediation

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I used PSTOOLS to edit the scheduled tasks for UpdateOrchestrator – I unchecked “wake to run” in all that were checked.

If Windows changes it back, I’ll block anything from waking the computer in the Power settings.

If that doesn’t work, I’ll take another crack at the solution in a Github discussion of script run on an schedule that seems to work.
https://github.com/seagull/disable-automaticrestarts/issues/4#issuecomment-521382489

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[geek]

So far:  Solution #1 failed as predicted (dditing scheduled tasks using Pstools). After a couple of days, the laptop went back to daily waking.

#2 Disabling all “wake” apps in Power & sleep settings has worked for a week now.

-Search “Power & Sleep” > additional power settings >change plan settings >
change advanced power settings > Sleep – expand and unclick “allow wake timers”
If your settings don’t have this option, see https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/63070-enable-disable-wake-timers-windows-10-a.html#post1802926

I edited all my own scheduled tasks with Setting “run task …start is missed” checked on.
FYI other Win10 v1909 laptops do not have this problem. Just a few lucky ones. 🙁

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Fred

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OK – can anyone comment on why do I not even see this task at all on my 1909 builds – let alone having it be re-enabled?

Sonic

 

 

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[abbodi86]

Neither do i

it does not exist by default
Update Orchestrator create additional tasks based on scheduled or initiated scans, pending updates, restart deadline, store apps updates.. etc

check this registry path to see big list of those system-controlled tasks
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Ubpm

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[carpintero]

> waking due to a scheduled task:
> Universal Orchestrator Start’
Does monitor also awaken?  I ask because I have been observing programmed
computer wake-up behaviors, and watched the monitor not awakening.

> computer STAYS ON
In my event logs I saw that the computer did resume sleep after the updating activities
(no installations resulted).

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Since 1909 Windows 10 64 Bit my Wasapi device of multichannels aren’t recognized anymore.  ASIO yes,  But Wasapi doesn’t

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anonymous wrote:

Since 1909 Windows 10 64 Bit my Wasapi device of multichannels aren’t recognized anymore.  ASIO yes,  But Wasapi doesn’t

Is it safe to assume you’ve checked your audio equipment’s website for driver updates or other clues?

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I would like to permanently disable or remove such options as Cortana, XBox, Edge, and other nonessential Microsoft bling. There seems to be no way of permanent removal without invasive gymnastics that could affect system integrity.

I’ve turned off what I am able to turn off and ignored the rest.

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Here are some notes I made while looking at the possibilities.

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I used ‘Portable Windows 10 Apps Manager’ : https://www.thewindowsclub.com/10appsmanager-windows-10

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Revo Uninstaller Free also has an option to uninstall Windows Apps:
https://www.revouninstaller.com/revo-uninstaller-free-download/

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May I add – I upgraded to Win 10 1909 directly from 1809 on my Dell desktop.  Ever since my power config for the display stopped working.  Instead, the power shutdown (for the monitor) kicks in correctly after the specified time limit but about 3 seconds later it cancels itself as if I touched the keyboard or mouse.  Went through all the power configuration settings, no help.  The display power shutdown was working on all prior feature updates from 1809 back.  Help!

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WSoldgeek42 – Upgrades have an annoying habit of reverting your settings (devices, personalizations, etc.) To stop your computer from waking from a mouse, touchpad or keyboard, you need to run “Device Manager” (just search for it) from an admin account. In the list of device types, find Mice… and expand it by clicking on the + sign. Double click on each item. If there is a tab called ‘Power Management’ select it and uncheck “allow wake..”. Repeat for the Keyboards.  If you have a touchpad, it may be listed under Human Interface Devices. I uncheck mouse but allow the keyboard as the laptop  is always closed and the cat (and I) can’t move it accidentally.

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abbodi86 wrote:

I only count one problem, the File Explorer search box issues 🙂

it’s really bad unfinished feature, and they should give an option to disable it and return to old style

If Windows search sucks, try Agent Ransack, a great utility program I’ve used for years. It can search for file names and/or contents and/or dates… You can even use regex. The results show filename matches on the left and content matches on right. You can open, edit or drag any file in the results list. Far superior to Win search. Find it in my list of free software. http://web.ncf.ca/pat/pdqlib/download.html#utilities

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geekdom wrote:

I would like to permanently disable or remove such options as Cortana, XBox, Edge, and other nonessential Microsoft bling. There seems to be no way of permanent removal without invasive gymnastics that could affect system integrity.

I’ve turned off what I am able to turn off and ignored the rest.

There’s a program called 10AppsManager that promises to remove any app – I have not tried it so suggest you check it out before downloading it.

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While working through Windows 10 operations, specifically 1909, I created numerous restore points and backups. What I found was the greater the number of restore points, the slower the boot time between user profile screen and desktop. On viewing restore points, some were missing.

Preliminary evidence suggests that system restore operations are corrupt.

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geekdom wrote:

On viewing restore points, some were missing.

Is the check box on bottom left in the restore points window checked?

Just a thought, mine doesn’t show all points unless it’s checked.

Win10 1909

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The box was checked; some intermittent restore points were missing. All restore points should show when the box is checked; all restore points were not there.

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[geekdom]

I cleared the restore points, rebooted, and set a start restore point. I then defragged, rebooted, and checked the system. I then shut down the system and went to bed.

This morning, restore points are functioning normally and logging as meant.

Add: It’s a little early to say if this problem is Windows 10 related or this particular computer.

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Did any of you “working through Windows 10 operations” include a Reset or reinstall of any kind? Did you run any third party tools to cleanup the system such as Ccleaner, etc.?

--Joe

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[geekdom]

When using an uninstaller with create restore point prior to uninstalling, the following error appears in the event viewer when the restore point is created:
EventID 8194 Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error querying for the IVssWriterCallback interface. hr = 0x80070005, Access is denied.

As explanation, Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) is used in creating restore points.

This restore point function in the uninstaller program may have in part caused corruption.

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Two other VSS errors also occur in conjunction with restore points on my system. They are discussed at length here:
https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/133273-vss-errors-8193-13-a.html

Unresolved in the discussion were if the problems with VSS could cause restore point corruption?

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• This reply was modified 5 years, 2 months ago by geekdom.
• This reply was modified 5 years, 2 months ago by geekdom.

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The Your Phone will not work in 1909.  I had to rollback to 1903 to continue to use it.

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Works for me on 1909 – did you see any particular symptoms that you could share?

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As reported earlier, after installing feature update 1909 the display power shutdown still refuses to work, despite going through all the Device Manager settings, Power settings, and running System File Check.  It won’t work even when I boot into Safe Mode.

Also, the Win 1909 Feature Update installed a mouse drive from 2006 for my Wireless Mobile Mouse 4000 causing the mouse pointer to be erratic.

Finally (for now) Feature Update 1909 does not remember my Sound setting after reboot/restart.  And I am unable to balance the sound individually on each stereo channel.  The L/R pointers are locked together.

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight I should have stayed with Win 1809 which was working just fine.

Thank you Micro$oft.

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Your Phone is great when it works and it worked about 80% on 1903 but 0% on 1909.  Yes, both devices are within 5 feet of the router and both are signed into my Microsoft account.

On 1909 I can’t get past the screen that says “Resend notification” and on my phone I can’t get past

I never get the opportunity to “Allow” the connection.

On 1903 I have the same problems and after much fooling around I sometimes getting it working for a day or two and then it say “We can’t connect to your phone” and the dance starts all over again.

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[jabeattyauditor]

Just grasping at straws here – any sort of VPN or AV software on your phone? (I have Kaspersky on mine, and it doesn’t seem to affect the connection, but I’d imagine others could cause issues.)

Edit to add: Wireless isolation on your router could also cause this sort of issue.

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Check BT settings :

Your Android smartphone must be linked to your Windows 10 device via Bluetooth in order to make this feature work.

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