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I’m fully updated 20H2 and KB4023057 is back.
Guess MS is getting me ready for 21H1.
I hide the update.

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Beta Test: I installed KB4023057 without error and rebooted without error.

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geekdom wrote:

Beta Test: I installed KB4023057 without error and rebooted without error.

history and speculation about this KB is that it resets GP and Reg edits to what MS wants ?

It’s appearing on the only pc I have a GP edit in place,  just saying.

 

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PFC wrote:

KB4023057

I have installed KB4023057 some months back and no settings were changed /reset.

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Alex5723 wrote:

PFC wrote:

KB4023057

I have installed KB4023057 some months back and no settings were changed /reset.

it may be sitting in your installed pgms waiting for them to run it

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KB4023057 is offered repeatedly and periodically; it is not a one-time-good-deal patch.

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[EP]

this revised KB4023057 update “snuck” into my dad’s Toshiba laptop running Win10 Home edition version 2004 build 19041.804 – no user input/intervention, even with a metered internet connection enabled. all this occurred sometime in the 3rd week of February 2021.

Found it listed as “Microsoft Update Health Tools” in the Programs and Features control panel. I immediately removed that from there. and when KB4023057 is being offered again during the next WU scan after it was removed, I blocked/hid it with either wushowhide.diagcab or WUMT/Wumgr

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I had exactly the same experience, the only difference being that I’m running Win10 Home version 20H2 (build 19042.870). All previous versions of KB4023057 did not silently download and install with metered connection on, but this new one did it and I got bit…

I think it was removed by uninstalling “Microsoft Update Health Tools” in the Programs and Features control panel. It no longer shows as an installed program in control panel, but I noticed that KB4023057 is still listed as an installed update when viewing my update history (even after rebooting).

@EP do you still see KB4023057 listed in the update history even after removal of “Microsoft Update Health Tools” through control panel?

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Berserker79 wrote:

It no longer shows as an installed program in control panel, but I noticed that KB4023057 is still listed as an installed update when viewing my update history (even after rebooting).

Uninstalled updates never disappear from update history:

Do uninstalled updates still get listed in the update history, or did I do something wrong?

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Oh, that explains it all, thank you!

I was not aware that uninstalled updates remain listed in the update history. Count me lucky but, in all these years running Windows 10 since its release, this is actually my first time uninstalling an update. And because KB4023057 is a little “peculiar” (being uninstalled through the Programs and Features control panel), I thought something might have gone wrong when it did not disappear from the update history.

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My February 2021 Patch Tuesday installed with no problems. On Feb 20 history lists kb4023057 as installed. Then on March Patch day only the malicious software tool came through, nothing else found. On the 15th I ran the troubleshooter and got: kb4589212, kb4601554 (.net update preview) and kb4577586 (the flash remover). Update found the CU kb5000802 but it refused to install (error 0x8007000d). A month later April CU kb5001330 also would do the double install and then throw up that error. I did the DISM check, came up clean, and the SFC scan , which reported finding and fixing some corrupt files. No change in update function. Build listed as 19042.804
Yesterday (4-19-21) I did the in-place repair using the Media Creation Tool. Took an hour, and then another hour for the updates. Brought my build up to 19042.928
Today, update is pushing kb4023057 at me again. Also kb4601050 a cumulative .net Both of these are listed in ‘View Update History’ as installed back in February.
Is it weird that the in-place upgrade didn’t erase my history?
And should I let these install again?

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anonymous wrote:

Is it weird that the in-place upgrade didn’t erase my history?

I don’t think so.

anonymous wrote:

And should I let these install again?

I don’t see why not. I would.

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Thanks, I appreciate the reply. It’s been a long month being tortured by the Update function. Had hoped it would fix itself by magic, but now I find myself dreading some other buggy update will come through and break it again.

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Which is why we suggest regular image backups. 

cheers, Paul

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I’d hide/block every version of KB4023057 with wushowhide.diagcab or Wumgr

doing an in-place upgrade repair install of either 2004/20H1 or 20H2 will NOT clear/remove the update history

the in-place upgrade install DID, however, remove the update history with older Win10 versions like 1903/1909, 1809 & earlier though.

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Just got this minute notification for KB4023057 on 20H2.
Installed the update.
It is probably a set for 21H1.

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I have just now again seen KB 4023057 on wushowhide. Not yet in WU. If I am planning the 20H2 upgrade in the next few days (waiting for a downtime day with this laptop) – should I go ahead and let that KB install, or hide it before I do the upgrade. I’d like to “catch” it and hide it if need be before it does show in WU.

Thanks!

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I don’t recommend that update under any circumstances.
Hide it whenever you see it.

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Great – thanks! I’ll get it hidden ASAP. Wasn’t sure of its status with the 20H2 coming up soon.

Thanks again!

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If:
you are seeing updates in wushowhide
AND
you have TRV set to 20H2
You should be seeing 20H2 in at least wushowhide.

You probably have Feature updates blocked somewhere.
Check again:
+ Settings App\Update& Security\Windows Update\Advanced Settings – is the Feature Update deferral greater than 0 (zero)?
+ GP Windows Update\Windows Update for Business – look through all settings and see if Feature Updates are deferred or Paused
+ Registry – Look at #2177791 in AKB2000016. The second and third screenshot show Feature Deferral at 365 days. Both of these values should be 0 (zero). Look in the Registry and see if either are positive numbers greater than 1 (one).
+ Registry – also look at HKLM\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\ TargetReleaseVersionInfo – if it is set to 1909, change it to 20H2.

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Thanks – I have been puzzled that 20H2 hasn’t shown up yet – it has been nearly a week since I set it, I think. I thought I had checked everything, but I will again to be sure and will post back if I have questions!

Thanks for working with me on this!

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PKCano wrote:

You probably have Feature updates blocked somewhere. Check again:

+ Settings AppUpdate& SecurityWindows UpdateAdvanced Settings – is the Feature Update deferral greater than 0 (zero)?

No – that is set to 0, but greyed out. Quality update also set to 0 – not greyed out.

PKCano wrote:

+ GP Windows UpdateWindows Update for Business – look through all settings and see if Feature Updates are deferred or Paused

Preview Builds and Feature Builds – set to semi-annual channel and deferred for 0 days, nothing in pause.

Quality Updates – set to 0

Disable Safeguards for Feature Updates – not configured.

Manage Preview builds – enabled and set to disable preview builds

Feature update version – enabled and TRV set to 20H2

PKCano wrote:

+ Registry – Look at #2177791 in AKB2000016. The second and third screenshot show Feature Deferral at 365 days. Both of these values should be 0 (zero).

Going to attach a screenshot as mine doesn’t look like those examples – maybe I am missing something – or you can tell from that if it is set properly.

PKCano wrote:

Look in the Registry and see if either are positive numbers greater than 1 (one).

Doesn’t look that way…except for active hours settings?? I don’t have all of the breakdowns shown in the images at #2177791 in AKB2000016.

PKCano wrote:

+ Registry – also look at HKLMSOFTWAREPoliciesMicrosoftWindowsWindowsUpdate TargetReleaseVersionInfo – if it is set to 1909, change it to 20H2..

That is set to 20H2.

If you see something that is wrong, let me know and I can change it. In the registry, I don’t have all of the choices shown in your pics – so maybe that is the issue? In fact – none of it says HKLM – it all says HKEY – maybe I’m not even in the right place??

In any case – see what you think and you can let me know if changes should be made.

Thanks!

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HKLM = HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE

Something seems really strange that you are not getting 20H2.
Type winver in the search box and hit “Enter.” What Build are you on?

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Here’s what I get:

Also – this shows that it doesn’t check for any updates very often – at least 5-6 days:

And just checked wushowhide – no 20H2 there either.

Strange indeed – guess I’m going to have to get it some other way?

Thanks!

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It’s not that you aren’t getting 20H2.
You haven’t been getting updates since you manually installed the OOB update KB5001028 in February.
Do you have the March and April CUs hidden in wushowhide?
If so, unhide them and install.
If not, your Windows Update is not working.

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OK – thanks for checking on this. I have installed KB5001028 – the Feb. cumulative update installed on March 4 – through WU – not manually. Also KB 4598229 – the Jan cumulative update, installed on Feb, 2. The April update, KB5001337 is still hidden. Also hidden are two other updates – not cumulative – KB4589211 and KB4523057, which I just hid again today.

So – should I unhide all except 4523057 and let them install and then hopefully I’ll see the 20H2 upgrade?

Thanks!

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Unhide and install KB5001337 the CU. Leave the other two hidden (KB4589211 and KB4523057).
Let me know if that is successful. if so, you may get 20H2 offered. If the install is not successful, proceed with instructions in #2361489 below.

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OK – I unhid KB5001337. I’ll let you know when I see it in WU and if it installs. But should I click Check for Updates in WU now and get it that way or wait till WU checks on its own?

Then hopefully 20H2 will follow.

Thanks so much!

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If you run wushowhide and KB5001337 is the only thing there.
AND there is nothing showing in the WU queue (but maybe KB5001337), you can “check for updates” safely.

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Thanks! OK – no updates showing in WU yet this morning. This “long time between checking” has been an ongoing issue, as I said, and I have posted about it earlier.

In wushowhide, the KB5001337 update is showing along with those three Realtek updates that are ALSO shown in the hidden updates list – so are they really there or just never cleared when they were hidden? I have tried to clean those on multiple occasions, but they don’t drop off that list.

I can wait a bit longer and then try to check for updates if you think that is a good idea – those Realtek ones may not actually be there – and I do have it set to only get MS updates – not third party.

LMK and I can proceed with this before tackling 20H2.

Thanks again!

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You can download and run WuMgr to check what is available while waiting for WU to catch up.

cheers, Paul

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Already upgraded to 20H2 yesterday.

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Yes – all seems fine this morning!After it came up for air last night, it ran quite a while and wouldn’t sleep – guess it was completing the upgrade? Shut down and started up OK this am.

I hid as many updates in wushowhide as I could this morning – there were MANY listed there! Several Intel and Realtek updates still show on both lists – hidden and not hidden. WU gave me three to download – one was KB 4023057 – which I hid along with the others. I rechecked and allowed it to download the other 2 – KB4601050 and KB4577586 – both downloaded and installed fine.

I may play around with WuMgr – but for now, it seems that as long as I can hide the MS updates in wushowhide, the others that appear on both lists don’t download.

Thanks again for the help!

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LHiggins wrote:

I may play around with WuMgr

@geekdom created a guide for WUMgr for newbies to the WU controller

Windows - commercial by definition and now function...

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Thanks! Yes, I’ll have to take a look at that one of these days – though it seems that if I hide the MS KB updates, they do go away and the other things that are Intel or Realtek don’t download – they just seem to stay on both lists. Weird!

Thanks for the tip!

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If nothing is hidden in wushowhide, you should go ahead and do an in place upgrade over the top. That will get you on 20H2 with the April updates and repair Windows Update in the process. When you do that, you choose to keep your apps and data (you have a recent backup, right?).
See Susan’s instructions from the 8th Feb newsletter

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You can also find these instructions in today’s Plus Alert Newsletter.

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PKCano wrote:

I don’t recommend that update under any circumstances.
Hide it whenever you see it.

Why not? I have let KB4023057 install twice for 2004, in 2020-11 & 2021-01 for Win10 2004.

Nothing out of the ordinary occurred after those updates.

Now I see it that it’s available again for my 20H2. Is there a good reason to avoid it?

Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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I have installed KB4023057 every time it appeared in WU (3x times). No bad effects, nothing has been removed, no settings changes, no network changes…

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PKCano wrote:

If nothing is hidden in wushowhide, you should go ahead and do an in place upgrade over the top. That will get you on 20H2 with the April updates and repair Windows Update in the process.

Will follow your guidance on what to unhide and install and then do the in place upgrade if that fails.

And yes – I have several recent backups, but I plan to do another before doing anything else.

Thanks – will await suggestions on which to unhide and see if they install – though I will say that in the past, unhiding updates – or even seeing them available in wushowhide – has taken many days before they are ever visible in WU. It has been that way since the beginning with this laptop – a long time between an update being in the wushowhide queue and actually becoming available to download in WU.

 

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JohnW wrote:

PKCano wrote:

I don’t recommend that update under any circumstances.
Hide it whenever you see it.

Why not? I have let KB4023057 install twice for 2004, in 2020-11 & 2021-01 for Win10 2004.

Nothing out of the ordinary occurred after those updates.

Now I see it that it’s available again for my 20H2. Is there a good reason to avoid it?

After a 2/20/21 install of KB4023057 I had the same 2021-03 offering  yesterday, AND with a fresh Macrium I — clk’d Install — on Settings page. Took 2 seconds, showed installed, and — all is well –. I reasoned an updated 3057 MAY help with 21H1 upgrade.

I act on the premise that computers that started with W10 and have shown no or little update issues can — like bbearren and maybe Alex — install most things — AS LONG AS Image(s) are prepared first.

W10 Pro 22H2 / Hm-Stdnt Ofce '16 C2R / Macrium Pd vX / GP=2 + FtrU=Semi-Annual + Feature Defer = 1 + QU = 0

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KB4023057 just showed up again in Windows Update  —  “2021-03 Update for Windows 10 Version 20H2 for x64-based Systems (KB4023057)”.

Should this update still be avoided?

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Every time it shows up!

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I to have installed KB4023057 in Feb WU & Mar WU.  I have Windows 10 Home version 20H2.  After the updates nothing seemed out of the usual.  If I knew how to block it I probably would.  While WU are paused, if you run wushowhide.diacab nothing shows up.  If I resume WU, then the updates download and install pretty fast on my laptop.  The only updates that show up wushowhide while WU is paused are non-Microsoft updates.  If you have the time to tell me how I could hide this KB4023057 or any Microsoft updates that I don’t need or want I would appreciate that greatly.  You may have even explained this before but I have not found the instructions.  I know it may be better with Windows 10 Pro, but upgrading to Pro is not an option for me.  I would appreciated any advice on this subject.  Thank you for your time.

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Read through AKB2000016 Guide for Windows Update Settings for Win10. It will explain some of the terminology and some of the methods used for controlling Windows Update.
Section 1 is general, Section 2 is about Win10 Home Edition.
There are screenshots below the written instructions to show where settings  are.

You can use Metered network connections to prevent updates from downloading automatically when you end Pause.

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PKCano, thank you for sharing your wisdom with me.  I read the articles you said and it took me a little looking around in my computer but I did find some things.  I never knew there was something called “Services”.  I knew WU was a service but I did not know you were able to control any of them.  I’m sorry to seem so dumb, but my background is in accounting and definitely not computers.  So I am unclear regarding a couple of points.  Tell me were I go wrong:  I want to install WU for April.  When I click on “Resume” my laptop will look for updates right away.  Probably update KB4023057 will be out there, but I really don’t know because I have no way to see what updates are out there waiting.  I read about that mini tool for updates – some good and a number of bad reviews so I am not comfortable about using it.  Now if I understand this right, if I turn on meter connection WU will some the updates but not download or install them.  Then I can go to wushowhide and hide KB4023057 (if out there).   Now here is where I am unclear.  After hiding this KB can I go and turn metered connection off and allow WU to do its thing or do I keep metered connection on and restart (not shutdown).  When laptop comes back up, then do I turn meter connection off and allow WU to update or do I need to click “check for updates” (which I never do) for it to search again?  I feel like there’s something(s) missing because it can’t be that simple.  It seems the more I read about this the more mixed up I get and different people seem to have different ideas regarding WU.  I liked when Microsoft use to just list the updates and let you pick the updates that where best for your circumstances, but I guess those days are gone forever.  It seems Microsoft thinks they know what is best (how wrong they are).  Thank you for all your help and kindness.

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When you Pause updates, neither Windows Update (WU) or wushowhide can see any updates.
When you Resume Updates, WU will try to download/install everything available (that you can’t see).
If you turn on Metered Connections BEFORE you resume updates, it stops the updates from downloading because it restricts data transmission.
Now, you can see the updates and use wushowhide to hide the ones you don’t want.
BUT, after you hide them, you have to wait till WU checks for updates on its own and clears the ones you hid from the queue. Because What you see in the queue is what will download/install.

 

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Thank you so much, now that makes sense to me.  I need to be patient and allow some time using this procedure.

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BTW, don’t click on “check for updates.” It initiates an immediate download/install.

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That thought crossed my mind but I remembered you explained before what happens when you click on “check for updates”.  That “check for updates” is misleading because it also downloads and installs the updates.  Again, thank you for your willingness to help me and others who are technologically challenged when it comes to computers.

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Guess what, KB4023057 will download over a metered connection.  I never got a chance to hide it.

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This makes sense given its intent is to make updates work. At 1.5MB it’s not going to put you into data deficit on your limited connection.

cheers, Paul

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I hadn’t realized how spoiled I became after transitioning from Vista to Linux Mint on my old system before it died and was replaced by a new system with Windows 10 on it.  Updates in Mint worked easily and flawlessly.

When I moved to Linux I stopped keeping track of the Windows Update perils and pitfalls since they no longer affected me.  But with the new system on Windows 10 20H2 I’m now playing catch-up to figure out how to protect myself.  With the assistance of several members of the AskWoody community I implemented the guidance in AKB2000016.

As part of my continuing education I see that KB4023057 is on my system as “Microsoft Update Health Tools”.  @PKCano emphatically recommends that this update should be avoided “Every time it shows up!”

Should I uninstall this update now?

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If PK says don’t install, don’t install.

I’m sure MS want you to have the latest updates, but their QC leaves a lot to be desired.

cheers, Paul

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Regrettably, WU previously installed KB4023057.  So the question is  – should I uninstall it now?

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Yes, uninstall it. In the Control Panel\Programs&Features.
And again, every time it shows up in WU.

EDIT: And HIDE IT again, every time it shows up in WU.

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Uninstalled now.  I presume if it is offered again by WU I should hide it with wushowhide and then let WU update itself before allowing any other updates to be installed.

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I have Windows 10 Home, 64-bit, version 20H2, 19042.928 and it does not show update KB4023057 in the Control Panel.  It does show up in Settings, Update & Security, View Update History.  I have not found any way to uninstall it. I have attached a screen shot of my Control Panel.

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It won’t show up as KB4023057 in Windows Update.
It will be listed as “Microsoft Update Health Tools” in Control Panel\Programs&Features.

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Question?  I have a desktop at home that I’ve been letting it install lately and have not noticed the issues from the past.  For those that have installed it, are you still seeing the problems caused by it’s installation?  Just tracking if it’s still  misbehaving.  In theory the things it’s trying to fix are valid issues:  drive space, corruption in windows update components, so it would be nice if it did what it advertised to do and didn’t blow up other stuff in the process.

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On my system WU installed KB4023057 (Microsoft Update Health Tools) after a feature update to 20H2.  The system, with ample room on a 500 GB SSD, was literally unused before the update to 20H2 which completed without any problems.

So I uninstalled the KB4023057 update.

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I got it and I’ve been on 20H2 for a while, I think they are just shooting it out in anticipation of 21H1 in general. The concept is valid, but the implementation and trust needs work.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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Trust evaporated many years ago when MS started using the installed base as a Beta testers.  And unless users proactively take steps to manage WU that practice continues.

IMHO, unless and until MS changes its update philosophy Trust will not be restored.

 

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Thank you so very much.  Since you informed me what the name was, I was able to find it right away in the Control Panel.  It doesn’t seem to be causing any problems and I would like to keep it that way, but since you strongly advise to uninstall KB4023057 I’m going to take your advice.  And Susan I think your right, Microsoft is probably just trying to help get everyone ready for 21H1.  But as far as Microsoft goes, that ship called TRUST has sailed a long time ago.  Thank you all.

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OK, now I’m confused.

KB4023057 was offered to me in the April update queue, so I went ahead and hid it with wushowhide. It now no longer shows up in the queue. I have not yet installed the April updates.

After seeing your latest forum post, I checked Control Panel\Programs&Features and was surprised to discover that Microsoft Update Health Tools is listed.

Since it is already installed, why has it been offered again?

There must be more going on here than I understand. Looking back, I see that this update was offered in February, and although I did not notice it (and, so, neglected to block it), Windows Update did not install it when I accepted the February updates. Instead, it was installed as part of the March updates, even though it did not appear in the March update queue.

Can you explain why it was not installed when it was in the queue, but was installed when it was not in the queue?

And, since the Update Health Tools is now clearly present, should I uninstall this program?

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KB4023057 has been issued in many, many, many different versions. You have an older version.
Each time it is modified/metadata changed, it is like a new one, and it gets offered and installed again. It happens frequently at the time a new version of Win10 is about to be released – to be sure you get the latest and greatest.

So you have to keep installing it or hiding it, depending on your point of view.

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Paul T wrote:

If PK says don’t install, don’t install. I’m sure MS want you to have the latest updates, but their QC leaves a lot to be desired.

Or take regular image backups.

Then live life normally, without fear of a single update breaking Windows. If that does happen, just restore your last image. Back in business!

Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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^^^ What he said.  Have a mindset that Patch Tuesday is like any other computing risk. If you have backups you now have a way to roll yourself back to a working machine.

Susan Bradley Patch Lady/Prudent patcher

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